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johnny reb
7 Jun 2017  #1

I was compelled to start this thread to help other threads stay on the topic of Poland.
It is very frustrating to see the same trolls hijack threads by making posts over and over that have nothing to do with Poland or even the topic for that matter.

So let me start with the hot topic of, "should Trump be investigated for his ties with Russia ?"
Admitted by the C.I.A., the F.B.I. and several top Democrats that NOTHING has been found in the investigations that would link Trump to any hacking of the 2016 elections.

So why are they still pursuing this when there are so many more important things to focus on ?
Joker
7 Jun 2017  #2

So why are they still pursuing this when there are so many more important things to focus on ?

They are grasping at straws in a political meltdown.

Its just pure hate this far after an election. The Democrats are just political jihadis now, along with the MSFNM

MainStreetFakeNewsMedia

I can see the demise in the DNC after a few more years of crying and lying, they're done!
johnny reb
7 Jun 2017  #3

The Liberal society today has become everyone has a right but nobody has a responsibility.
Lyzko
7 Jun 2017  #4

Clearly, as no president is above the law (shades of Tricky Dick), the fact that Trump is kicking up such a fuss is not only unpresidential, it naturally suggests he has something to hide:-)

Moreoever, who ever heard of an AMERICAN in public life waging an all-out attack against journalists doing their job and poking fun at him? Sure his kid came out and said stupified, with the emphasis her on the "stup-", that his father's being criticized like no other president before, because, hey, no former president has been so childishly, dangerously outrageous as this creep, posing as a president!

As it's the press' job since John Peter Zenger, to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable, Trump's going to have to grow up and simply get used to being sneered at, criticized as well as complimented, the same as every other of his predecessors. After all, the whole point is, the US president is NOT a king, but a commoner, in Trump's case most common indeedLOL
johnny reb
7 Jun 2017  #5

no former president has been so childishly, dangerously outrageous as this creep, posing as a president!

No doubt he is keeping his campaign pledges of DRAINING THE SWAMP of the good old boys club on Capital Hill.
Making a lot of the seat polishers nervous to say the least.
Once he gets rid of obama's dysfunctional failures Trump will be able to proceed to Make America Great Again.
While a little ruff on the edges Trump clearly was a better choice then heaven forbid Crooked Hillary.
We must now support our President even if we disagree with his childish tactics as he doesn't have time to babysit the Snowflakes and just keeps on steamrolling their Political Correctness.

He is your President like it or not.
Such refreshing change from the "baby breast feeding the country for votes" like the Democrats tactics are.
Trump is putting people back to work, putting people back in church and back in school.
I can't wait for Trumps second term as Commander and Chief. :-)
Lyzko
7 Jun 2017  #6

Correction. He's YOUR President. I'm only along for the ride, and, because foolish me, I STILL believe we are a great nation, the likes of Lincoln, Teddy "Bully Pulpit", above all FDR, only to have been hijacked by this piece of filth sitting in the Oval Office:-)

Being a proud American also means showing the guts to stand up to infamy, to criticize and to correct when the land you love's going royally down the tubes!!
johnny reb
7 Jun 2017  #7

Correction.

Correction, if you are U.S Citizen then Trump Is your President.
You said that you would move to Canada if Trump got elected too.
It's not to late as Trump has 7 1/2 more years as your President.
We have learned that you say a lot of stuff that simply is not true.
dolnoslask
7 Jun 2017  #8

above all FDR,

Your support for the coward that sold Poland into soviet slavery underlines your mission here on a Polish forum.
peterweg
8 Jun 2017  #9

So why are they still pursuing this when there are so many more important things to focus on ?

The President of the United states has committed treason and broken the law. He's going to jail.

Lets focus on his replacement - that, I agree, is more important.
Wulkan
8 Jun 2017  #10

The President of the United states has committed treason and broken the law. He's going to jail.

You must love fake news
Joker
8 Jun 2017  #11

Your support for the coward that sold Poland into soviet slavery underlines your mission here on a Polish forum.

Ask him about Obama interfering with the Israeli election. You won't see him for a week!

Any little fake news clip about Trump/Russia and he will jump all over it because of the double standards in America.

You said that you would move to Canada if Trump got elected too.

So many Hollywood hypocrites cited the same words and not yet, to date, one has left?

I highly doubt Canada would want these cretins anyway.
Joker
8 Jun 2017  #12

The President of the United states has committed treason and broken the law. He's going to jail.

The British always make me laugh...LOL

I would worry about MusLondon if I were you!!
johnny reb
8 Jun 2017  #13

because of the double standards in America.

It is something else isn't it. lol
The bias liberal news media forgets quickly about selected crimes and feonies.
Remember when Crooked Hillary got caught with her illegal e-mail server that was located in a mom & pop stores bathroom ?
Remember that time Trump failed to disclose Russian donors to his foundation before he served as Secretary of State ?
Oh wait, that was Crooked Hillary
Remember that time Trump was a business partners with Russian Government ?
His company received $35 million from Russia.......Oh no wait, that was John Podesta.
Remember when Trump scored $145 million from share holders of Uranium company that was sold to the Russians ?
Oh no wait, that was Crooked Hillary too.
Remember that time Trump approved the sale of 20% of the United States Uranium to the Russians ?
Oh no wait, that was Crooked Hillary too.

How come with all this proof it's not the Clintons being investigated ?
Maybe now with Comey gone they will be.
Lyzko
8 Jun 2017  #14

Dolno, FRD saved the US from going the way of Faschism!! Ever heard of a chap named Huey Long? Ever heard of another dude named Gen. Smedley Butler??

As a foreigner to the American culture, I'd read up a bit on matters about which you know too little to discuss intelligently:-)
johnny reb
8 Jun 2017  #15

I'm only along for the ride

Oh yeah, the free government ride the Liberals are on........sickening.
FDR has already been cut and stewed to you Lyzko in another thread.
I am not going to explain to you again what a failure he was.
Richard Nixion's trickle down economy was a huge success and he didn't have to start a war to do it.
dolnoslask
8 Jun 2017  #16

FRD saved the US from going the way of Faschism!!

FDR sold out to his marxist communist buddies, put millions of people behind the iron curtain, his action created the cold war stand off, it enabled countries like China to follow the same path, countless pseudo wars, such as Korea and Vietnam had to be fought due to not defeating Russia when he had a chance, subsequently thousands of brave American soldiers lost their lives due to FDR's inaction over the Soviets, not to mention Cuba and the missile crisis.

Yes FDR is responsible for the above, dont forget the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact the Soviets were as guilty of starting WWII as the Germans were, and deserved to suffer the consequences as the Germsans did

Also dont forget FDR had tactical nuclear weapons in his hands at that time, shame FDR did not die earlier, Truman would have taken care of Business as he did with Japan

As a foreigner to the American culture

Then you are not aware that I lived and worked in the US long enough to know how things work.
TheOther
8 Jun 2017  #17

Richard Nixion's trickle down economy was a huge success

Trickle down economics has always been a scam that increased national debt, and it will always be one. Show me one example where a corporation received huge tax cuts and in turn invested in new factories and jobs without an increase in demand for its products.

The only thing that is important is the bottom line. Screw the workforce, invest in automation.
johnny reb
8 Jun 2017  #18

increased national debt,

Speaking of which what Obama has done toward the US National Debt.
Obama added more to National Debt in his first 19 months than all U.S. presidents through Ronald Reagan combined with an increase of $2.5 trillion.
That is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S presidents from George Washington through Reagan.

Reagan was an absolute genius with the trickle down effect because it put money in the little guys pocket in the end.
Obama's theory was that he would just print more money (which only devaluated it more) and spend his way out of debt.
That is why Obama holds the all time record for being budgetly impaired.
Trump wants to throw 13 million illegal immigrants out of the county to stop the drain on the half that are on welfare, free health care and free schooling draining the system and the other half working for cash that pay no income tax on it sending billions of tax free money back to Mexico and the liberals start screaming inhumane.

invest in automation

Automation does not call in sick, come in late, test positive for drugs, no tattoo's or zippers in their lips, sue the company for workman's comp., draw unemployment benefits, whine, go on strike, have to be paid a pension, so you bet automate if you are the owner.

Owners are in business to make money aren't they ?
They can't get the Snowflakes out of their parents basement to do these jobs so what choice do they have but automate.
Lyzko
8 Jun 2017  #19

Dolno and Johnny!

No matter how long one has lived IN a country, if they've only known the Reagan Era and have no way of having experienced the New Deal Era, roughly until about the mid-70's, they have no way of knowing how good the post-War years were for America.
Ironside
8 Jun 2017  #20

Your support for the coward that sold Poland into soviet slavery underlines your mission here on a Polish forum.

Not necessarily a coward. Rather a sleazy slime bag a Democrat. A party of Slavery.

He's YOUR President

That is a dumb thing to say. Un-American.
johnny reb
9 Jun 2017  #21

roughly until about the mid-70's, they have no way of knowing how good the post-War years were for America.

Oh I was in my prime during that era sonny.
There were no food stamps and everyone worked for a living instead of vote for a living.
And if you want to credit FDR for that you must be reading some fairytale.
The true fact of the matter about FDR's budget was that he ran the deficit up just like Obama did spending money like a drunken sailor.

Roosevelt was a stubborn fiscal conservative yet was always compared to former president Herbert Hoover's deficit, which he exceeded twice (1934 & 1936) "after the New Deal."

In 1936, Roosevelt had the largest absolute deficit of $4.4 billion, or 5.3% of Gross National Product (with help from an overlooked Roosevelt veto from Congress for Bonus Bill $2 billion for World War II vets.)

The Roosevelt Recession followed as he produced an austerity budget which drastically reduced government spending and the economy crumbled, unemployment ballooned to 19% from 14% and generated deficits reached nearly 30% of G.N.P.

And you actually want to give credit to your glory boy F.D.R. for the post war boom !
Get a grip Professor as I beg to take one of your college classes that you claim you teach to contradict your liberal propaganda that you brainwash our countries youth with.

The only thing I personally give FDR credit for was helping set up the Social Security Program, nothing more.
Nixon was twice the president that FDR ever thought of being when it came to the National deficit, the economy and most everything else.
Now please, no more of your propaganda about FDR almost a hundred years ago as to many of us here know better.
PLEASE, I beg you.
Let's talk about why Crooked Hillary is not under investigation for her felonies. :-)
dolnoslask
9 Jun 2017  #22

knowing how good the post-War years were for America.

Of course the post war years were good for America, Europe was broken it needed food and materials to rebuild, America was best placed to supply this, at a price of course.

Dont forget Britain had handed over its finacial reserves to America under the US cash and carry scheme , when Britain ran out of money it was forced to take a loan from the USA (lend lease) this debt was only fully paid in 2006.

Fair play the US knows how to make a shekel or two.
Lyzko
9 Jun 2017  #23

Another reason was that Communism hadn't fallen yet, therefore, it was to America's interest to take good care of her citizens, otherwise, they might have defected to the "Evil Empire", right?

Nations don't typically act in the best interests of their citizenry because it's the decent, human/humane, and proper thing to do, but because there is some economic benefit involved. Loss of US-citizens owing to defection would result in fewer Americans to fill needed jobs, particularly in shortage areas which would subsequenty result in a big, bad deficit:-)
johnny reb
9 Jun 2017  #24

Americans to fill needed jobs, particularly in shortage areas which would subsequenty result in a big, bad deficit:-)@ Lyzko

Obama was a prime example of that with his "shovel ready" jobs. lol
Lyzko
9 Jun 2017  #25

Well Johnny, think back to the Roosevelt Era, putting millions back to work through similar programs. Gov't ain't there as merely a caretaker overseer, bud!! She never was and never will be, not as long as straight thinking prevails in this country.
johnny reb
9 Jun 2017  #26

Gov't ain't there as merely a caretaker overseer, bud!!

I think we may be making some progress here. lol

putting millions back to work through similar programs

Lyzko it was post war so what would one expect as far as the work force going back to work and no nothing similar because Obama didn't offer any "Shovel Ready Jobs" that you didn't need three of to support your family.

Well... of COURSE the 'Habaru' is going to staunchly support the 'BIG GOVERNMENT' ideals of FDR !
Those NEW DEAL "UTOPIAN VALUES" OF FDR were little more than the Federal Government "Give Away" Programs (LIKE Barry Soetoro ie: Barrack Obama !) as in 'JUST VOTE FOR ME AND I'LL GIVE YOU WHATEVER YOU NEED !

It's in your DNA to NOT pay for ANYTHING ! lol
Both Alinsky and Obama got their starts as "Community Organizers".
FDR was a Huge "GIVE AWAY PROGRAM " !
Central Government & Central Planning: both Communist / Socialist Foundation Blocks !
To HELL with the United States.... you just want WHAT YOU WANT..........FOR FREE !
Or as you stated in your self admission to guilt:

I'm only along for the ride,

Typical Socialist Liberal useful idiot.
Same reason that you wanted BARARIDE for Little Moeshe.
They pull out the Saul Alinsky "TRICKS" ... and you fall for BARRACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT or the "Nothing - Burger" that is, CROOKED HILLARY CLINTON......... it 's all about a FREE 'em like a Hooker goin' after a "dropped-quarter !"

You just can't HELP yourself !
GREED, Greed, & more Greed ! what can you do for me today ?????
There, now that we have FDR cut and dried for the second time lets move onto something like Comey the Leaker.
Lyzko
9 Jun 2017  #27

Elizabeth Warren spoke Pollyanna-like on NPR radio several weeks ago, wistfully nostalgic about how her "poor" single mom, in the very early '60's, managed to support a household and two kids just with a job as a checker at SEARS. Well, if you were a W.A.S P back in '62 or thenabouts, I guess in rural America that sounded pretty good for those days. Unfortunately, that was then, and this is now, and such laughable pipedreams show the lady's outta touch with what's goin' on in America over the past fifty years and counting:-)
johnny reb
9 Jun 2017  #28

back in '62 or thenabouts,

Oh before the foodstamp program and people actually lived on a budget you mean. lol
Kids actually WALKED to school and wore hand me down cloths. HORRORS !
Kids carried their lunch to school and didn't eat out at fast foods.
Mom wasn't paying a $100 a month for each kids cell phone or have $100 a month t.v. cable bill.

outta touch with what's goin' on in America over the past fifty years

Exactly, people pre foodstamp days (1964) lived within their budget.
Today the liberal socialist thinks it is an entitlement to keep up with the Joneses even if they can't begin to pay their own way to do it.

They think the Jones should give part of what they worked for so they can keep up with the Jones.
GREED greed and more greed.....give me, I want, I deserve...............
SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK !!!!!!
Lyzko
9 Jun 2017  #29

Socialist-capitalism does though and it's called The New Deal. A good deal for the sincere business owner who sees his business as cooperative, a raw deal for the unscrupulous monkey-businessman, out to screw his workers.

One of the things I won't forgive Bill for was NAFTA as well as playing footsies with that rankest of anti-unionists, the late Sam Walton.
johnny reb
10 Jun 2017  #30

and it's called The New Deal.

That was a hundred years ago.
Today it's called Trumpanomics.

One of the things I won't forgive Bill for was NAFTA

Right, he sold us out.
NOW, tell us what Trump wants to do with NAFTA.

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