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Joker
15 Jun 2017  #61

@Joker, you'll easily find that there's more common ground between us than previously imagined:-

The horrible attack that happened this morning in Alexandria. A deranged Bernie supporter shoots up a congressional baseball game! I think I seen a bit of partisanship between the parties beginning to form again. It surprised the living daylights out of them on how vulnerable they really are.

Hopefully, It's a wake up call for Congress to stop fighting and start working and earn the money we pay them!
Lyzko
15 Jun 2017  #62

And the spectre of gun control rears her ugly head once again:-) If that fellow Hutchinson hadn't had access to a gun, would we be reading about this story in the news?
johnny reb
15 Jun 2017  #63

Oh Lyzko save it.
Anyone that wants a gun in this country bad enough can get one ! Gun Control or Not ! Got that once and for all Mr. Propaganda !

The guy was a Bernie supporter full of hate which shows you just what extremes the Socialists Liberals will go to venting their anger and hate.

If anything ........ America should not allow the "Liberal Left" to have access to the hateful propaganda in the bias Liberal media.
This guy was clearly another Snowflake having a major meltdown just because President Trump won the election fair and square.
Deny it as you may.
Now get your butt to work and get out and get some fresh air and do something constructive besides sit here all day again spewing your propaganda while getting fatter.
johnny reb
15 Jun 2017  #64

And the spectre of gun control rears her ugly head once again:-)

More of your Liberal propaganda.................
Chicago has a 100% ban on guns for their gun control yet has one of the highest murder rates from guns in the U.S.
Perhaps you would care to explain to us about how "gun control" works in Chicago without going off on one of your endless merry go round deflects.
TheOther
15 Jun 2017  #65

which shows you just what extremes the Socialists Liberals will go to venting their anger and hate.

You ain't seen nothing yet, my friend. Just wait until the goobers find out that they've got conned by Trump and his GOP minions.
johnny reb
15 Jun 2017  #66

Actually it was osama obama that conned you goobers and you still are blind to it.
The hate from you Lefty's is just outrageous because you lost in the elections.
You are the one that haven't seen nothin' yet foreigner, just wait until the Bible Thumper gun lovers have had enough and call out their militia's on ya.
TheOther
15 Jun 2017  #67

just wait until the Bible Thumper gun lovers have had enough and call out their militia's on ya

That's what I said - but they won't go against Democrats, they will slit your throat for betraying them.
Lyzko
15 Jun 2017  #68

I see. And therefore you subscribe to the ol' "GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!", pseudo-argument, is that is? Ever occur to you people that if the people didn't tote guns in the first place, maybe, just maybe, many fewer people would be killed?!

Again, you're arguing ideology, not common sense.
johnny reb
16 Jun 2017  #69

Perhaps you would care to explain to us about how "gun control" works in Chicago without going off on one of your endless merry go round deflects.

And what does he do but deflect and go off on a pointless merry go round like always. lol

Ever occur to you people that if the people didn't tote guns in the first place, maybe, just maybe, many fewer people would be killed?!

Did you mean 'bad people' as there is no problem with good people that tote them............
Thank the good Lord that good people were toting guns at Alexandria this week at the baseball field or many more would have been killed by the bad guy. Duh !

you're arguing ideology, not common sense.

Just the opposite SILLY, it's you that has no common sense.
It's not us that carry guns for self protection that are pulling them out and using them in terrorists attacks Mr. Common Sense Propaganda.

We use them to shoot the bad guy that has a gun who is shooting innocent people or at ourselves.
You sissies just don't get it do you.
Joker
16 Jun 2017  #70

And the spectre of gun control rears her ugly head once again:-

You know as well as I that if they ban guns only the criminals will have them. Its not like they are going to turn over a new leaf and hand them over to the police.

I feel much safer knowing that I have a few pistols in my safe and a shotgun under my bed. I hope I never have to use them! However, if I hear a loud crash at 3am you can betcha Im not reaching for a broomstick either:)
Lyzko
17 Jun 2017  #71

I'd at least try woundin', instead of killin' 'em!
johnny reb
17 Jun 2017  #72

Much more economical to just kill them.
1. They will never kill again
2. They contribute nothing positive to society
3. Processing them through the court system costs at least $100,000 of tax payers money which sometimes takes years
4. Housing them in prison costs $65,000 each and upwards per year of tax payers money.
5. They ask for it
6. Let the next guy know what is going to happen to him if he decides to be stupid.

Thank goodness that their were good guys with guns at Alexandria last week or the bad guy they killed would have killed many more.
Ironside
17 Jun 2017  #73

I'd at least try woundin', instead of killin' 'em!

you have seen too many movies. Try to wound him and you end up dead. do you even have a gun? doubt that.
Dirk diggler
18 Jun 2017  #74

Actually Johnny in chicago concealed carry is now legal. This didn't change the murder rates or amount of shootings one bit. There was no significant difference a year(s) before the ban and a year(s) after the ban was lifted the murder rates been roughly the same for about 10 20 years. Sometimes theres a year with 10% more sometimes 10% less but you can expect around 300 plus murders and couple thousand shootings a month especially in summer. In fact the 90s were the worst years when there was a essentially a total ban on handguns (except cops, armoured car drivers, etc) within city limits and even more murders and shootings than there are now. Meanwhile Wisconsin allows private sales of guns with only showing a state id and the info doesn't even need to be written down. Just about every dude there is packing or at least knows a close friend or family member with guns yet its far safer than Illinois. Same thing with Indiana. Most of the guns the cops confiscate aren't even legal or they were purchased out of state and the serials have been filed off.

Why is it that just about every household in Switzerland esp the rural parts has at least one gun yet the murder rate is so small? In czechy its similar. Those two countries have some of the most lax guns laws in the world yet hardly any shootings or murders by way of guns. Honestly I'm asking... Could it perhaps be that the swiss and czech are more reasonable and don't immediately grab a pistol to settle an argument? People shooting each other over a woman or facebook comment is unheard of in Poland or those countries yet that's the norm in the us. Sure people will pick fights at discos but you fight receive or give a black eye but at least live another day.

On the other hand in Japan you need a license for an air rifle. Does that stop the yakuza guys from packing and killing opps when need be? Of course not... Its just that guns and bullets are more expensive. (Btw a taxi ride for 1 hr costs around $250 usd O.O)

If someone really really wants a gun, whether for home defense or for criminal acts, they will either buy it, print it, fabricate it, whatever. No ban will ever stop that. Look at the middle east too just about everyone has an ak in their house yet less people are murdered by guns in Afghanistan than in Chicago.. And were comparing a poor war torn country to an alpha city in the us..

In Poland anyone can buy one of those gas bobby pistols as well as these air rifles that shoot I believe 4.5 or 5.5 mm ball ammo without any permits id's etc and conversion into a real weapon is a piece of cake. Furthermore you can print out your own fully auto ar15 with no serial number on a 3d printer and it'll shoot a hundred roads if not more before the lower receiver starts malfunctioning.

Hence id say guns are a non issue... Again just my opinion though.. Banning or allowing them makes no significant difference...at least from my experience.. If you need a case study compare Chicago pre and post ban both of which has less shootings and murders than war town Afghanistan as well as the miniscule amount of shootings in chechy or Switzerland. Also its common in Chicago to have 15 shootings in a day but perhaps only 1 will be murdered during a shooting. The bangers tend to have bad aim and hence oftentimes innocent people are murdered. That's the only real downside I see because with a knife its pretty much impossible to wound or kill someone other than your intended target... On the other hand look at all the innocent people injured or killed by a van. Should we ban vans too?

Notice even the countries where there were terrorist attacks the guys have been using vans, cars, bombs and knives to wreak havoc. You don't need a gun to kill or injure several people... If someone wants to commit a violent crime they don't need a pistol shotgun ak etc. There's plenty of items around the house that will do that.. Hell the largest terrorist attack was done with a plane and killed 3k.

However a well armed populace can help prevent a larger body count during a terrorist act. For example, if a guy sees one two three people run over by a van perhaps he could shoot out the tires and force the perp out of the car before he runs over a fourth and fifth them stabs a sixth and seventh.
johnny reb
18 Jun 2017  #75

Personal protection guns are like parachutes.......odds are you will never need one however you sure the hell will wish you had one if the occasion ever arose that you needed one.

If you choose not to own one I will not judge you and if I choose to own and carry one like millions of Americans do then please don't judge us.

And that what America is all about........Freedom !
Joker
19 Jun 2017  #76

And that what America is all about........Freedom !

Bingo!

Im sure glad were not France! LoL
Joker
19 Jun 2017  #77

I just heard about another terrorist attack in Londonstan today.

Its times like these Im glad Trump was elected instead of Clinton. She wanted to let in tens of thousands of these refugees/terrorists into our county.

We are witnessing an entire continent (except Poland) commit cultural and ethnic suicide all because they are afraid of being called a racist or xenophobic!
johnny reb
19 Jun 2017  #78

all because they are afraid of being called a racist or xenophobic!

That is exactly why I am proud to be called Politically InCorrect !
Let me quote President Trump on the matter...."The best way to stop foreign terrorist attacks is not to let them into our country in the first place."
Joker
19 Jun 2017  #79

That is exactly why I am proud to be called Politically InCorrect !

Fortunately, We won the last election and growing stronger each and every day to stop the PC Liberal madness to avoid becoming another Londonstan!
johnny reb
19 Jun 2017  #80

If the toxic Liberal media doesn't stop feeding the low information voters hate there are going to be a lot more shootings in America.

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