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johnny reb
2 Aug 2017  #481

the Department of Justice is planning to investigate and sue universities over affirmative action admissions policies they determine discriminate against white applicants.

Long over due.
Why should a minority student with a C average have an advantage over a non minority that has an A average to be accepted at a university ?

Flat out White discrimination.
Simple as that alright.

SAN DIEGO - The Trump administration said Tuesday that it will waive environmental reviews and other laws to replace a stretch of border wall in San Diego, moving to make good on one of the president's signature campaign pledges.

Another long over due.
Finally a President that is looking out for America especially after the one we just had that did everything he could to dismantle the Constitution and destroy America.

It's slowly coming together to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN !

Dirk diggler
2 Aug 2017  #482

@Lyzko

Far from the first nation to have a border wall. I can think of the first though - China.

Personally I love Hispanic and Latino people. I find as a pole we have quite a few similarities - hard work ethic, very family oriented, traditional, religious but also likes to party and dance. They are some of the most humble people I've ever met in my life. These dudes will spend 10 hours in 100 degree weather on a construction site with just mariachi music, water and a short lunch in the shade. Not one word of complaint. In fact they are grateful to even have a low wage us job bc if they were back home they'd make in 1 day what they make here in 1 hour. Put some trustifarian or one of these snowflakes in the same position and they'll start writing to the human rights council after a few hours in the sun. I actually like hispanic people and culture so much that I've devoted a lot of time and money to learning spanish, travelling through central america, and just the culture in general.

I do agree that as a nation we do need secure borders and ought to depot violent criminals and try to limit the flows of hazardous goods - especially heroin and fentanyl which are causing a lot of problems in my home state. A lot of people even from my own high school and college have died bc of this stuff. I don't think border protection or a wall is going to change much about drugs so I don't think a wall will help too much with combating drug traffic we've already wasted enough on the war on drugs - id rather see the money go to harm reduction and rehabs. You can bet the cartels are probably building tunnels and already scheming on how to get through any sort of wall. As far as people crossing the border in groups w a coyote leading them or simply people on their own - yes a wall and better border protection will most likely help stem the flow.

The difference is that the vast majority of Hispanics cross into the us to be with their families and to work. They don't set neighborhoods ablaze, they don't behead our soldiers in the street, they don't kill teenagers at pop concerts, and they don't blow themselves up or run people over with vans. Yes there are quite a few Hispanic gangs but the ones around here actually cause far less shootings and murders than blacks. When trump said that Latino gangs are the ones driving Chicago's murders that's simply not true. They're responsible for only around 10% of shootings and murders with blacks being responsible for the vast majority of both suspects and victims and whites only a single digit. This is in my city in particular but it could be different in say la or NYC. I mean yes deporting illegals that are violent criminals should happen. However deporting a guy because he got pulled over w a bag of weed for personal use esp if he's been here a long time and gainfully employed... Ehh idk

My position is biased though bc I know and work with quite a few hispanics so I can understand em. I will tell you that most don't like Obama bc he deported more of em than Clinton and bush combined

Ironside
2 Aug 2017  #483

but not with a stupid wall.

The wall in the Israel seems to work.

johnny reb
2 Aug 2017  #484

but not with a stupid wall.

The wall Mexico built on their southern border to Guatemala seems to work.

TheOther
2 Aug 2017  #485

The wall in the Israel seems to work.

The only reason why it works is because the Israelis have a shoot-to-kill attitude like the border guards of the old GDR. Nothing like that will ever happen along a US border. The Mexicans will simply dig under that wall or buy a nice ladder from Home Depot.

The wall Mexico built on their southern border to Guatemala seems to work.

It doesn't. What do you think is the reason that they are apprehending more illegal non-Mexicans than Mexicans at our southern border these days?

johnny reb
2 Aug 2017  #486

Because Mexico and the United States need to shoot to kill like Israel because like you said, "it works."

TheOther
2 Aug 2017  #487

the United States need to shoot to kill like Israel

Northern border, too? LOL!

Dirk diggler
2 Aug 2017  #488

Speaking of israel, the Palestinians are protesting, chanting and sometimes rioting bc the idf put in metal detectors outside of al aqsa mosque. The reason is bc just recently two Israeli security personnel (I think they were cops) were shot by palestinians. They returned fire and merked all 3 Palestinians. Now the palestians are pissed but the metal detectors are apparently outside the mosque so I don't see what the big deal is.

Normally I support Palestine in the israel/Palestinian question but this time israel is def in the right. They even resprctfullt installed these in an area where people don't pray or worship.

I remember one time I called a conservative radio station while trump was campaigning. They were all over his nuts lol. This was around the time that trump said nato is obsolete, most don't pay their fair short, and we need to focus on our own defense instead of propping up the militarys of foreign countries. Anyway like a bunch of sycophants they all agreed w everything trump was saying.

So I called in and asked them -

me: so you support trump not giving more money to nato, at least not till they pay their fair share.

Host: yes.

Me: so you also agree that countries should be responsible for their own defense and we shouldn't pay for it

Host: yes

Me: so based on that reasoning we shouldn't give anymore money for Israel's defense. Israel receives more aid than any other us ally and more us aid than the entire continent of Africa combined. The aid comes out to roughly $200k per Israeli household. They are after all a rich hi tech country and can easily afford their own defense

Host: hangs up on me lol

Joker
2 Aug 2017  #489

Because Mexico and the United States need to shoot to kill like Israel because like you said, "it works."

Did you hear about Trumps new Immigration plan yet?

I think your gonna like it. From what Ive read already it`s looking pretty good!

Trump is bulldozing thru the liberal crybabies at a record pace!

TheOther
2 Aug 2017  #490

Did you hear about Trumps new Immigration plan yet?

Look! A squirrel!
Sorry, Trump ... investigation continues. Love. Mueller.

That thing is dead on arrival. Will never ever get the necessary 60 votes.

Joker
3 Aug 2017  #491

Sorry, Trump ... investigation continues.

Teflon Don will find a way to brush it off. If they had any substantial proof of guilt they would have sounded the alarm by now.

They are just grasping for straws hoping to find something, anything. Even with the deck stacked against him with hired Clinton foundation attorneys/donors the investigation is just another farse.

That thing is dead on arrival. Will never ever get the necessary 60 votes.

The Dems will lose even more seats after the midterm election. Look 60 votes:)

Oh my gosh whats this?????

Emails show Bill Clinton paid thousands for speech in Russia
Newly obtained emails from Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin reveal friends of the Clinton Foundation and political allies seeking personal favors from the Clinton State Department, Judicial Watch said Wednesday.

foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/02/favor-factory-huma-emails-reveal-clinton-allies-seeking-jobs-meetings.html

It looks like Clinton will be the one going to jail in the near future...Hahahaha!

johnny reb
3 Aug 2017  #492

Northern border, too?

No need as they are mostly all White.

TheOther
3 Aug 2017  #493

Look 60 votes

You sure?

they are mostly all White.

Visit Toronto...

johnny reb
3 Aug 2017  #494

They have over taken Toronto too ? damn
I thought that was way to cold for them way up there.

Kamala Harris' coming out party as the person chosen to be manufactured as a puppet for the rich and powerful going into 2020 became obvious last month with the publication of an article in The New York Post titled, "Dems' Rising Star Meets With Clinton Inner Circle in Hamptons."

The Dems have to run a female on their ticket to be sure to get the needed women's vote.
Remember the feminist threatening Teflon Trump and him telling them that he did not need their vote.
No wonder they are so pissed off at him, he was right ! lol

Joker
3 Aug 2017  #495

You sure?

Well, they lost the past 5 elections and most of their candidates are horrible......

Lyzko
3 Aug 2017  #496

Hey there, folks!
There are walls.....and then, there are WALLS. Comparing the Pope's walled off Vatican refuge/sanctuary or The Great Wall of China with what Trump has proposed is ludicrous, historically incompatible:-)

johnny reb
3 Aug 2017  #497

Perhaps you could tell us your Con's of a border wall with Mexico Mark.

Lyzko
3 Aug 2017  #498

The point here is that I don't think there should be ANY wall whatsoever, neither between the US and Mexico nor Canada!! In the end, it's xenophobically racist and I think Jan Brewer's dead wrong in her thinking, as is Trump:-)

johnny reb
3 Aug 2017  #499

it's xenophobically racist

So your rational is that a wall is racist.
Please elaborate as all "legal" border crossing would still be honored.
I can't seem to make the connection therefore with hate or racism.
Can you ?

TheOther
3 Aug 2017  #500

So your rational is that a wall is racist.

A wall won't happen. Maybe a little picket fence; and the cost will be on us and not the Mexicans.

President Peña Nieto: "...my position has been and will continue to be very firm, saying that Mexico cannot pay for the wall."
Trump: "But you cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that, and I cannot live with that."

LOL! The transcripts of the conversations between Trump and Nieto/ Turnbull are comedy gold.

johnny reb
3 Aug 2017  #501

You skirted my question to you Mark.

Ironside
4 Aug 2017  #502

So your rational is that a wall is racist.

Hmm a wall is racist.
loonies are on the lose.

Joker
4 Aug 2017  #503

Another humiliating blow to the DNC!

West Virginia governor, a Democrat, announces switch to GOP at Trump rally!

chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-west-virginia-governor-party-switch-20170803-story.html

The 2018 midterms will certinaly be a GOP landslide.

I wonder how many more Dems will jump ship! LoL

johnny reb
4 Aug 2017  #504

loonies are on the lose.

He won't answer me because he can't.
Liberals become helpless when they have to debate using the facts.
Liberals can't debate the facts period.
They call everyone a racist that disagree with them.
They cant explain how or why though just like Lyzko just did by ignoring my simple question to him.
Trump wants to build a wall to keep out bad people, drugs and to protect Americans citizens which Lyzko claims makes Trump a racist.
Starting to see how the Left uses progressive propaganda and the news media as their main weapons !
They are the damn racists ! lol

Lyzko
4 Aug 2017  #505

You sound like Archie Bunker to a T!! Anyone who disagrees with him aka YOU is either a pinko, a meathead, a fag, or just a plain jerk, is that it?

johnny reb
4 Aug 2017  #506

Anyone who disagrees with YOU is either a pinko, a meathead, a fag, or just a plain jerk, is that it?

Those are your words, not mine.
I did not disagree with you.
My words were.............

They (liberals) call everyone a racist that disagree with them.

You skirted my question to you.

I didn't disagree.
You just can't seem to answer my question and want to redirect it into a pissing contest with your name calling to avoid trying to answer it without admitting that you can't.

So your rational is that a wall is racist.

How is that disagreeing............. now answer my question please.

Lyzko
4 Aug 2017  #507

I believe, sir, that I answered the issue in a straightforward manner, don't let's pretend we're Sean Hannity, Rush, and (the late) Bob Grant all rolled into one:-)

Said it before, I'll say it again; Trump shows merely his own uniquely unbridled arrogance in expecting that Mexico will voluntarily use her own money to build this ridiculous wall. Now THAT'S what I call "chutzpah" with a capital "Chutz..-"LOL

Presidents before Trump have tried and failed to stop the Mexican drug cartels from seeping over into the US. Why does the Donald somehow believe that through purely egotistical outrageousness, he and he alone, that he is uniquely qualified and can solve this question by bullying Mexico into submission??

Frankly, I seriously think the dude's out of his ever lovin' mind!!!

johnny reb
4 Aug 2017  #508

I believe, sir, that I answered the issue in a straightforward manner,

No Mark you have not.
I wasn't asking you to answer the issue.
I was asking you what building a wall had to do with racism ?

In the end, it's xenophobically racist

One more time there slippery.........

I can't seem to make the connection therefore with hate or racism.

Please explain how you make that connection.

Lyzko
5 Aug 2017  #509

Johnny, answer yourself:-)

johnny reb
5 Aug 2017  #510

Well you sure the hell can't can you ? lol
I did, I made my point very well with you, as a Progressive Liberal, as you are all the same.
1. you can't admit defeat that Crooked Hillary lost fair and square.
2. You hate Trump no matter what he does and post your propaganda that you get from CNN and the drive by media. (fake news)
3. When you disagree with a conservatives view you immediately start the hateful name calling like you did with me above.
4. A Liberals main words to discredit the Right is RACIST & HATEFUL !
Just like above as you base your argument on the wall as being HATEFUL & RACIST.
There is nothing hateful or racist about trying to protect American citizens as that is the Presidents job.
You Liberals are so damn hypocritical because in essence it is the Liberals that are FULL of HATE & RACISM !
You use filthy language in your protests, you burn our countries flag, you riot and set things on fire, you bus in individuals to cause chaos to start fights, you insist on trashing the Constitution and in general want to destroy what America was founded on.

Have you ever seen a Right Winger burn the American flag or riot in the streets and shout filthy slogans ? NOPE !
So yes, I made my point by repeatedly asking you how the wall was Hateful or Racist and you couldn't answer to justify using those two pet Politically Correct words of the today Millenials.

I rest my case.
No reply necessary because it will be nothing more than one of your pointless merry go rounds.


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