Let's debate American Politics

Surprised, Johnny, you never went into film work; you're always projecting!
lol

You have what they call a "track record" of refusing to answer a question when you are stymied with the truth Mark.
Why waste our time with the above question by you answering it with how much strawberries cost in New Jersey this time of year and how your dog has fleas and where you have traveled to twenty years ago.

We know you and your transparent tactics well by now so it makes it very easy to project your meaningless and endless fodder to a direct question with any foundation to the question at hand.

I've answered every question posed to me thus far and you know it. We simply disagree on the basic issues:-) I believe Trump's gov't. will implode before too long and this self-destruction will have been brought on by dint of his own hybris.

Disillusioned Woodstock babies really seem to have it in for respectable, decent-thinking people. Not that I'm complaining either. I don't expect the most from the average fellow citizen, although perhaps I should. Therefore, I'm rarely disappointed.

My wife and family agree!

you want to debate USA policy?

How you know that USA went wrong way?

One of clear signs > Top USA official, US Defense Secretary James "Mad Dog" Mattis, praises pogrom of 250.000 people (Serbians) and countless killed in the process. Greatest anti-civilian military operation since the end of WWII. Military operation that was perpetrated by one Nazi regime >>

America's "Mad Dog" praises Croatia's "Operation Storm"

There's ol' Crow, goin' off the deep end once again, merrily mangling English as he leapsLOL

What are you trying to say? That Jim Mattis is supposed to be a Nazi?
Geezlouise, we're goin' nuts over here!!!

Perfect English isn`t necessary for decent discussion out of mainstream sphere. We going deeper then it is daily-politics.

Now, I won`t say that is Jim Mattis a Nazi. Why would I say that? I would only nicely tell you that, obviously, signal for madness has been given. In the heart of Europe (now with Nazis and previously with Islamists). Why? Well, would you like to speculate?

Yup.

The harassment of women outside medical facilities is a perfect example of the primitive nature of right wingers.

No, no you have not.


My question was how is building a wall to protect American citizens hateful and racist if those people are still allowed into the U.S.A. legally ?

And you can't seem to answer that question.
So therefore you are a Progressive Liberal liar spreading the Lefts propaganda. (Fake News)
You Liberals refuse to change your mind so you change the subject.
It's impossible for Liberals to debate the facts.
Got ya !

Illegal entry is illegal entry plain and simple. Were all citizens of the world but that doesn't mean you can just ignore a sovereign countries laws and feel so entitled that borders and immigration law doesn't apply to you.

Note that Mexico actually has stricter immigration laws than us. They have a very secure southern border with Guatemala. Its their right to protect their sovereign land and limit the flow of illegal immigration and protect the country from people who are violent criminals terrorists rapists sex offenders or other undesirables.

Personally I don't think a wall will do much about drug traffic. However new border policies now require all trucks to he screened where before it was random. That will definitely make it more difficult as smuggling drugs in trucks is a cartel favorite. Nonetheless the cartels will figure out another way to smuggle whether it's through tunnels, drones, submarines one can only guess.

With drugs though its a but easier than people as you can't smuggle a human inside a tire. A wall will help but its has to be backed up in other ways i.e. border patrol, ice, more motion detectors and infared cameras, perhaps even drones that hover above common crossing points.

Its not that hard to immigrate into the us. If you really want to become a us resident and us citizen its not that difficult to go about it legally. Its actually far easier than many other countries - like Mexico for instance.

Ultimately its a country's responsibility to secure the borders to limit who can come in. For one its a security risk to just allow anyone and everywhere to walk right in. Second it undermines a country's sovereign integrity. There's a ton of reasons why countries' politicians spend even decades settling border disputes i.e. China and the smaller nations around it, Japan and russia, etc. A country doesn't exist without clearly defined and protected borders. Lastly its unfair and an insult to the people who are immigrants and who took the time and effort to legally come to the us or any country for that matter. Sneaking into a country and then being mad because you got kicked out when you were caught is just ludicrous. We have these laws for a reason and like I said our immigration laws are actually pretty damn lax.

If it was a few thousand were coming in each year it wouldn't be all that big of a deal. However the us spends billions on services for millions of people who are here illegally I.e. prisons , healthcare, etc. I'm not saying these people shouldn't be helped if they're sick or locked up for crimes. The issue is though that there's so many illegals that have crossed and continue to cross into the us that far too much money is spent on people who aren't even supposed to be legally here. This is to the detriment of those who are legal citizens and residents - including those who migrated legally.

Among else, that USA, in the eyes of global public, lost image of power with positive mission. It happened much before Clinton`s and it continuing now. Whole world now understand that if it suits to USA economy, USA may support wars, penetration of Islam in Europe and may even transport mujaheedines when needed and where needed, sponsor rise of Nazism and praise any kind of extremism that usually result in suffering and loss of human lives. Etc, etc.

That is USA of today, we lost every illusion. No, USA isn`t worse thing on this world. But, USA had that image of positive mission and now no amount of propaganda can restore that image.

Usas position as a world power is threatened as other nations esp China become superpowers and our economy overall isnt doing too well due to all the debt, low labor participation, problems with healthcare and social security funding, and much more. We have the top military and economy but others are catching up quick. The fact that the dollar is the world currency and our strong military are really the only things propping us up. Once the dollar isn't the world currency were in big trouble and many other powerful nations like China are already experimenting and researching a way to create a rival to the usd. Even though trump is trying to bring back manufacturing and new plants some worth a billion plus like Mazda and foxconn are being built and new jobs are added its just a drop in the bucket. He may raise the GDP and bring back more jobs but there's only so much he can do. He only has so much power and unfortunately many people in government and the deep state are doing everything they can to impede him out of ego, self interest and political difference. They don't realize that it hurts America and americans. Many dems are even speaking out against leakers even If they don't like trump bc they realize its a national security issue.

Anyway trump or any other us politicians can try to fix certain parts of America but its just putting a bandaid on a mortal wound. We have so much debt, so many unfunded pensions, so many bankrupt states and cities and I think its only going to get worse. I'm just hoping to get to a point where I have enough money, education, and corporate rank where I can settle into a small European country and live with a fraction of the stresses and issues that we face here.

It is also worth to be said that, same way as USA economically and ideologically defeated Soviet Union, Russia defeated USA over the global power distribution. Russia promoted Multi-Polar world, while USA promoted Uni-Polar world. Russian concept prevailed.

Trump's not improving America's image abroad, far from it.

Most of the world considers us materialistic overweight unsophisticated selfish violent and a whole host of other negative attributes. Sadly those type of words describe tens of millions of americans.

Yet they still trip over themselves to have Americas protection and business.

Right on Reb!

The Libs are hateful hypocrites, the whole world knows it!

Who cares what a handful of loser expats on this forum think? They couldn't make it in their own countries and I surely wouldn't listen to any of their horrible advice.


True, and most of their hated if fueled by jealousy.


Do we really care what some slimey limeys opinions are......Lol

Trump slogan is MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Not Europe or some other 3rd world Hellhole!

Europe - hellhole???!!!

Sure you weren't in heaven, but a la The Twilight Zone episode, didn't recognize where you were?
)))))lol

This sure looks like Hell to me!

youtube.com/watch?v=BPKqM-TV2i8

I don't want this happening to America!

Trump is your friend Lyzko:)

Perhaps you would be wise to visit Europe, rather than relying on poorly edited youtube videos.


Keep on rocking your gun crime and unbelievably high murder rates!

Been there done that already, poor expat:(

There are much nicer places that I have to choose from..lol

youtube.com/watch?v=1y4oqrMiT9o

The videos are countless. I don't see this happening in Poland. Is this why you moved away from Scotland?

Poor American, can only show his jealousy of those that actually live in Poland.


Sure, like America's gang-filled hoods full of despair and misery? Nothing like that in Europe.

My cockrel waking me up in the morning does not seem so bad in comparison where i used to live in the uk.

youtube.com/watch?v=WrcuWqw2tT8

Europe is a changing thats for sure.

Might be comming to America some time soon.

Oh Trump wants to stop it, damn, you boys will have to use alarm clocks and cokrels to wake you up in the morning.

@dolnoslask

I am so mad at this migrant crisis I could write a book on why it's a bad idea. A new report came out from a respectable source (ill find source - it was some kind of euro thinktank) that only 1.4 percent of arrivals since 2017 are syrian. The migration from m.e. has slowed bc of the border on the Balkan route so they switched to Libya to Europe which Africans used since the start of all this.

I rarely around screaming I love Jesus I love Bubba I love Ganesh or Krishna whatever. There's 1 oddball that will stand in a crowd asking people.to report but most of the time these people are homeless crazy etc. However these people do and even worse they can't Allah akbar right before blowing themsleves up shooting ppl stabbing am whatever.

The raise act will allow for migration in to the us and it's based on a point system if you reach enough points you get it. They'll ask you thinks like do you speak English are you educated can you support yourself without government assistance and just stuff like that. We want middle class hard working people that assimilate easily. Look at the Indians - they keep their traditions but tend to be very well assimilated in the us. In fact there's tons of Indian doctors businessmen it guys etc. Those are the type of people we want!

The Muslims that arrived during this whole crisis bought a lot of issues with them. Not of course a very small percent of the ppl are refugees fleeing war. The majority are people who came to exploit the place demand free sruff and other things an economic migrant would do. When we read statistics that explain a good portion of around 20 30 40 plus (depending on country - source pre research) percent of people from places like Egypt Tunisia Morocco Afghanistan Iraq etc who arrived and continue to arrive believe sharia should be established. That doesn't seem too far off considering the marches in England where Muslims would walk down w signs reading uk go to hell and signs that read we don't want democracy just sharia. The same occurs in France Belgium Sweden Germany etc. There's groups called Sharia4UK Sharia4Belgium etc you get the picture. Many of the followed are people who just arrived recently. What sickens me the most is that a government would allow sharia courts with way different punishments, laws - whether civil family or criminal etc than the host country.

The crime rates in these countries have skyrocketed since 2014 2015 and are getting worse. There's tons of issues of sexual assault of women being groped by men (in their mind if a woman isn't wearing a veil she's a slug hence free game), murders and even British soldiers beheaded on our streets, the massacres all over Paris with 100 dead, killing teenagers freaken children for Christ sakes at a pop concert, the creation of no go zones which are formally referred to special urban zones (sez is the French acronym) in france. They torch entire neighborhoods which result in state of emergencies. These have been going on and off for the past TWO YEARs. Ever heard of such long states of emergency in France in the past few decades. The last one may have been as far as probably during ww2. Native frenxh don't blow torch their neighborhoods or flip cop card and assault civil service workers. They attack people even film crews and reporters that are trying to film and interview, they leave tons and tons of trash behind never taking the few extra steps to a garbage can. Not to mention the things they do in Calais trying to open backs of trucks to steal stuff or to hopefully be smuggled through the border. The ppl purposely break the truck mirrors first so the driver can't see the back of his truck to see if they're entering it. Hardly any cops in site and they can't even do anything about it. Its god awful.

Plus not too long ago some paki guys in England had abducted, purchased then groomed around 1400 young girls to serve as sex slaves, trafficking, and all this other ****. Sad thing is that in England the cops and social workers were too scared of political correctness and being seen as targeting pakis. They've know about what was going on for almost 10 years. Quite sad really.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for migrations from any country and were starting to use a system like Canada and australia. Basically a person must prove that he's be able to assimilate. People who speak english, are eductaed, have any technical skill, have enough money already so the person doesn't go on welfare, etc are the types being allowed into the U.S.. I'm all for it esp bc we need more chemists maths physicists etc bc almost every American majors in law medicine or business but few go into hard sciences.

If the Muslims do conquer Europe i hope they at least install sharia banking which is generallh more favorable in general to the typical western banking system lol

It looks like based on trumps convo w Australian pm we will take in around 1k migrants from Iran Afghanistan etc but tbey seem to be pretty decent guys as Canada screened them and the us will get them too and only allows the ones they feel don't post a security risk

@delphiandomine

Actually there are Delphi. There called a special urban zones and there's many neighborhoods in France that are just as dangerous as the us. Ill look up the names of the neighborhoods and report them. They're on the outskirts of Paris.

There's tons of crime poverty drugs thefts etc. e bloki like in poland. Murders too. Primarily african and Arab migrants live. Its highly unadvisable for a freshman or white guy in general because you will get accosted stared down and perhaps even mugged.

Also Marseilles has a big crime problem

@Lyzko

The new deal doesnt work in today's america

@Lyzko
It won't be his own hubris. It'll be because of all the leakers and obstructionist who even democratic leaders criticise because it's a national security issue. They rather puss off the president and waste him time with bs like this than negotiating with large corps to bring back manufacturing and other jobs back to the us.

He doesnt really care about status rest of the world thinks. He angers them bc he wants to make trade favorable again and reduce our trade deficits. Militarily the trump and his advisors are working on how to deal with Russia Syria n Korea Iran etc. Putin is sly as a fox. Hell run circles around trump tho. I like trump bc he's a very smart and savvy businessman but his rhetoric and not being seen as a political simpleton are what he needs work on. These things helped him win the election but it may be difficult for him on the world stage doesn't change his attitude

Interesting video about fake news in USA

youtu.be/i7S80EH-pAw

A 10 second google search and Wow! The Muslims are really taking over. Its become worse than I ever imagined.

independent.co.uk/travel/the-12-most-unsafe-cities-in-europe-a7493161.html
thetoptens.com/most-dangerous-cities-europe
thetoptens.com/most-dangerous-cities-europe/marseille-france-551937.asp
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-most-dangerous-places-in-england-330450
worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-europe.html

Thats just the tip of the Iceberg, there are dozens of examples.


Thats not what I was talking about...duh!

I have plenty of other options such as Costa Rica or the The Caribbean, instead of a terrorist infested Europe.

If the Muslims do take over and due to exponentially increasing demographics they will have enough of a populAtion hence voting bloc for politicians of their chosing. In addition as their population grows so does the amount of fanaticals. They too can perhaps in the future install a fanatical politicians that shares their ideology. That's when problems might really start...laws could be enacted giving Muslims more and more power. Perhaps church icons on churches will.be banned. The call of prayer will be heard in every public school over a pa. Restaurants will have to abide by rmadan rules. Gays will be punished for being gay. Adultery becomes a very very serious crime... Who knows what'll happe once they got their own politicians that win seats. If so many were already there now and millions more camd imagine how the demographics of Germany France etc will change after 30 40 years due to their super high birth rates.

Jews are terrified this and are going back to.Israel - making aliyah. The only unfortunate thing about that is that although the government sponsors you and basically pays everything for you there's a very high probability your new home is in a settlement the un deems illegal but rest assured as nothing's been done about for years and now the Israelis are even more encouraged to expand thanks to trump

Amy way at the moment they are still a very small portion of the overall eu population however they are concentrated in a few rich western euro countries but they are increasing exponentially due to their ridiculously high birth rates unseen in most other countries. However even a million migrants that demand housing free money etc is going to be a drain on any European country's economy to the detriment of xitizens. They cut their programs and allocate money to the migrants.

And how do a lot of these guys repay us? Torching cop cars hijacking trucks assaulting women massaging children beheading soldiers stabbing innocent shoppers grooming young girls to be sex slaves, people being mugged at train stations and assaulted, forcing their culture by putting up sharia zone stickers which read no smoking no pork no gamling no prostitution and modest dress. They ride innocent people over w cars, kill beloved satirist, burn our flags... Not everyone is like this but there are a ton of Muslims who perhaps wouldn't blow someone up but rather wants to force their religion and culture and force natives to adapt to it. They refuse to assimilate and live in their sez. Sometimes they riot seemingly all at once with other sez doing the same.

This is why screening and vetting is so important.

All these things are 100% fact and there's dozens of journals articles media showing it on tv esp the massacres bombings etc citizen journalism videos uploaded on YouTube and even people who were close by when it happened and posting a video

If Muslims pretty much make France their country bc demographically they're probably in 1st , I just hope they at least put up sharia compliant banks which tens to be much better for the consumer and their whole.philosophy of interest is sinful.