Let's debate American Politics

That's just silly, I-S. However yes, the torchlit swastika parade as part of the 'summer of hate' should have been banned from the city, as part of the State of Emergency that was declared.

Never again.

Majority of those people where protesting legally against removal of the Robert E. Lee statute. You commies always focus on minority with some issues, that support your narrative. Commie hate, pushing their agenda and lies create more fascist that bloody Mussolini.

Trump got it right. He only forget to mention those politicians who fossilised violence to score points.


he should be hold responsible and accountable. That is an accurate description of what had happened.

@jon357

Oh you can bet your last dollar that there will be plenty more conservstive rallies events protests etc with unfortunately some of those being neo nazi alt right ones. You can also bet that antifa will illegally and violently attack any person they disagree with whether its a us veteran with a maga hat or a real neo nazi fascist.

That's why we have a little something called the constitution. Shame you don't have the same freedoms we do here

Also don't forget the aclu helped the guys get their permits. Everything was done legally and constitutionally. But you lefty anarchists are too close minded to see that or even distinguish between a hate filled neo nazi and a normal hard working conservstive who isn't racist.

In a State of Emergency, it's up to the authorities to decide who can and can't make public assemblies.


With flaming torches and swastikas.

Reminds me of the two SS men in the war. One looks at the other, points at his death's head insignia, his swastika, his jackboots and his whip and asks "does this mean we're the bad guys then"...

stop fantasying about it, we are debating politics.
What in - a majority of people - you don't understand?
Most of had been protesting legally, they have been there to put stop to barbarians that want to destroy historical statues. There some thugs attacking and destroying historical statues - why they are not being arrested?

Seems like left terrorist groups can roam free, given a free rein by the establishment.

There you go again. And no, we're not debating - when evil appears, there's nothing to debate.


The same one's that the city had decided to change. Hence the torchlit swastika waving fascist rally, as part of the Trumpists' 'summer of hate'.

No reason for the far-right to even show up to disturb the peace of that small town anyway.

That's their right. Just as a swastika offends you and me, a ussr or Stalin flag offends me but apparently not you. That's fine though that's what freedom of speech and assembly are all about. Nonetheless both are constitutionally protected. Its not illegal to be stupid or offensive. It is illegal and unconstitutional to attack someone because you disagree with their ideology. Antifa goes a step further into full retard mode by not distinguishing between a normal conservstive and a neo nazi. They attack anyone on the right regardless if they're a fascist or not. They even attack women and families. They pepper sprayed and assault reporters from conservstive outlets as well which was caught on camera numerous times. Very shameful. Even more shameful that a supposedly iintelligent peaceful person is unable to not only condemn violence but promotes fighting. Shame shame shame

Idk if you're a us citizen or not. I'm thinking not because based on your limited knowledge of the us constitution and the bill of rights you wouldn't of passed the standard test on the constitution all us 8th graders take to graduate. You would know then that you can't pick and chose what people can or can't host an event, give a speech, etc. Also don't forget antifa has tried to shut down and assaulted people at many conservative events I.e. trump rallies, a conservative politicians rally in oregon, a milo event at a uni, a fox reporters speech, the list goes on. All whom were invited to speak, had proper permits and who's attendees were conservatives. Doesn't matter to antifa idiots they attack anyone with a different ideology. Perhaps they'll soon attack even the democrats that condemn their violence and shut down their events too.

There you go again. You should try a different technique - that one just looks naive.


Would have stayed at home watching a rom-com and eating popcorn - if there wasn't a torchlit swastika waving fascist rally going on. The phrase 'summer of hate' should give you a clue here.

Leftie thugs are also evil, and even more evil politician in the position of power who incite violence to score points.

You sound as if you were a half blind, naïve or prejudiced.


Nazis or fascist are left - not far right. they are far right on the commie/leftie spectrum. Just a factual statement.

No, I-S, they are not. Not at all, not in the least little bit.


The opposite of factual. The exact technical, political and intellectual term for it is bollocks.

@jon357

Well you refuse to condemn violence unequivocally and are promoting violence against conservatives. That says a lot bro namely that you're being very closed minded. I don't have a problem condemning a fringe group in the overall conservstive movement. But when it comes to condemning a violent anti constitutional fringe group of the left you have such a hard time doing so. That speaks volumes about your bias and lack of objectivity. Not only that you're promoting the felonies they commit even against innocent people and reporters and calling them spectacular.

Also you fail to understand they could have called it summer of smearing poop on yourself and thatd be their constitutional right to do so and partake in such actions. Its unconstitutional to pick and chose who can assemble and speak and who can't based on whether you agree with their politics. Also it's a felony to vionelty attack those people.

As I said before, you put words into people's mouths. As I also said, it's called a strawman technique and doesn't work. As I said, even today "you should try a different technique - that one just looks naive."


Do you condemn violence used to defeat fascism betwen 1939 and 1945?


There you go again...

@jon357

Yes and ill keep going again till you condemn the lefts violent felonies which you STILL haven't done.

Say 'i condemn antifas violence against conservatives who arent neo nazis and their spitting on the constitutions freedom of assembly' and ill stop.

You also have failed to condemn the recent Islamic terror attack both in France and Burkina faso which resulted in exponentially more deaths than va.

Till that happens you're no better than the unshowered masses of violent constitution hating antifa loser flag waving masses who worship a deadbeat father, raging alcohol, adulterer and hypocrite (Karl Marx). Fortunately most democrats realize antifa for who they are and condemn their acts but somehow you can't. People like myself want nothing more than for us citizens to unite even if we have ideological differences for the common good. You're content with watching fringe groups duke it out and equating neo nazis with all trump supporters/conservatives . That's just as idiotic as equating antifa with all liberals or Sanders/Hillary supporters.

Great Question, Ironside! Destroying Federal property is a felony!

A prime example of the double standards that exist for the Leftist in America, another free pass to destroy property and intimidate people.


Ja tez!

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That's what I mean. If we want to reduce murders deaths and violence dramatically we ought to see what causes the most. To most that seems like the intelligent and humane thing to do so people stop getting killed but to Jon that's 'relativizing'

Perhaps you should spend a week in my old neighborhood Jon. Either youd be hiding in a bathtub so you don't catch a stray bullet or maybe youd start realizing that black gangs kill far more people (mostly black) than low iq meth heads playing dress up. Hell maybe hed end up at the next far right rally talking about how blacks shot up his house. Or youd end up the new parolee on the blocks favorite new punk.

Jon assumes that a handful of scumbag nazis represents the vast majority of millions of conservatives in America.

Of course he's totally misguided and it`s an outright lie!

We all know he's using this as an opportunity to conflate the situation and spread his stories and fake news agenda!


He wouldn't last a week in Chicago. He would be crying for his mommy...lol

No? Are you living in denial? The National Socialist German Workers Party / Nationalsozialistische/. Are Socialist placed on the right? Where? In what universe? If anything they are a right wing of the commie leftist movement.

I don't care for either of them, all commies all lefties are evil (at the lest their ideology). I hold both in contempt. Nether have a high moral ground.

So don't imply that from the two opposite wings of the same red evil totalitarian movement a one wing is squeaky clean and the other dirty. In your partisan commie mind that well could be the case. For the people who are not commies what you say is malarkey.

They weren't in any sense socialist - everything they did, everything they believed, everything they tried to do, was resolutely fascist.

Just like the


It's the job of politicians to condemn things. Preferably not on Twitter.


There you go again...

@jon,
On the one hand, obviously force is regrettably the only language thugs with baseball bats and clubs understand. However, two wrongs don't make a right.

Having had my share of run-ins with rough neck bully types at the inner city urban high school I attended, I can vouch for the latter after several broken bones and a long, expensive convalescence:-)

Isn't stopping nazis always right? Even a basic thing.

And make no mistake, the fascists marching in Charlottesville with flaming torches and swastikas and their 'summer of hate' are nazis. The swastika and the fascist salute are a dead giveaway.


Same here, officially the roughest school in the UK, probably the roughest in Europe at that time.

Like something right out of "To Sir With Love" from the late '60's?? Yeah, I can imagine:-)
Problem is, using brute force to combat brute force, save for an equally armed opposing swat team, is usually a losing battle with lots o' dead heroes with little to show for them:-)

No. to combat idiots, you need to use the ol' bean, those "little grey cells" as Hercule Poirot likes to say. Tell a blowhard fool like those rough-and-toughs to bend over 'cuz his fly's unzipped, he'll no doubt do just that, meanwhile, you sucker punch the bastard right in the groin and see how he likes it!!

To Sir with weapons, more like!


That is an excellent way to do it.

It`s not up to some expat limey to dictate to Americans which town they can or can't travel too. It really isn't of your concern or business at all!

However, I did find your flag amongst the unbathed ones.......

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It's really quite frightening watching how powerless Trump is. The Republicans are condemning him, and his position is getting weaker and weaker by the day by his failure to act here.

@jon357

Not in the US - it's not illegal to be a racist idiot meth head neo nazi. I don't expect you to understand our freedoms and constitution but that person is protected, even if he or she is an idiot and you disagree with their ideology. Also, no, not when it involves felonious assault, arson, and vandalism. If it was only neo-nazis they go after, okay fine maybe that I could understand even though it still violates America's UNIVERSAL constitution values for us citizens. But that's not who they attack most of the time. That's who they went after in VA but most of the time, like I've said a million times and also so have liberal publications like the atlantic, antifa goes after anyone who doesn't share their exact ideology. In terms of sheer assaults, arsons, vandalism and events they've disrupted, they're targeted far more normal non-racist conservatives often for simply wearing a hat they don't like rather than neo-nazis with swastikas and confederate flags. look what they did at a gop governor's event in oregon. no Nazi rally there, no people waving swastikas or confederate flags yet antifa still showed up UNINVITED and assaulted people and trashed the place. Just as they did in Chicago... Very tacky... shame that you won't condemn attacks by a fringe of the left like other democrats and liberals have. you should be more open minded and denounce a violent criminal fringe group that makes liberals and dems as a whole look bad - just like other libs/dems have. Unlike you, liberal democrats as well as their various publications denounce the violence acts of antifa - surprisingly against both the neo Nazis (since it's a violation of free speech and freedom of assembly) as well as normal conservatives simply because of free speech.

When Ferguson, Missouri was burning down to the ground and they were rioting and looting where was Obama?

He was at Martha Vineyard playing Golf and didn't appear or make a statement for 4 days while the mayhem continued! And when he did ascend, he blamed both sides lust like Trump did.

Were was the outrage from the msm then?


He's Pro Left all the way and even denies the muslim problems in his home country of Londonistan.

I used to be a Democrat, not so many years ago, never again after Obama, Pelosi and Hillary ruined their party.

He's in a very vulnerable situation - his real or attempted treason with Russia (so bad that he even consulted lawyers about whether or not he can pardon himself!), the crisis that led him to imply he could attack an entrapped people in a country which borders Russia and China), and now his most vocal supporters having torchlit parades with swastikas and organising a 'summer of hate'.

He may not last a full term, and even end up in federal prison before the next election.


It is however illegal to violate the terms of a State of Emergency. In fact the penalties can be very severe indeed.

Losers marching under a losers' flag (two in fact) and spitting in the eye of those now very elderly veterans who fought fascists last time they tried to push their evil little 'ideology'.

Treason...LoL Keep Trolling you pathetic Limey!!!

How many more times are you going to repeat "summer of hate" summer of hate" you squawk like a little parrot!


BLM and Antifa violated many laws and you don't condemn their violence?

You're just like a Nazi for the Left!

As many times as I like. When vocal Trump supporters march with swastikas and organise (this is their term, these are their words) a 'summer of hate', it is worth repeating.No matter how much you dislike trying to excuse the inexcusable.


So you're blaming the victims now...


No more than I condemn those brave men and women who fought fascists on Cable Street.