Let's debate American Politics

It is deliberate delaying tactic.

If the Republican brand can be successfully killed off by mischaracterizations of racism and the party for old white men then it will be the turn for the Democratic Party to be attacked for racism (current leadership too white as a result of racist origins of that party) or for being too corporate (a la The Clintons vs Bernie Sanders).

The final replacement will be a one party neo-communist party operating under some euphemistic label like "The Greens" or "Social" somewhere in its name.

Many Millennials have had their path to the middle class (or ability stay in it) blocked for a variety of reasons (globalism, affirmative action policies (not just whites but even Asian-Americans now complain about losing out), crippling college debt, etc.).

If a one party system can offer discouraged and disoriented Millennials single payer health care, clearing of debts, legalization of drugs, and the Sirens Call of a kumbaya future they will go for it having not experienced any better alternatives in their short lives.

The smear campaign has started already. Nancy Pelosi and the DNC made statements yesterday claiming there was one less white supremacist in the white house after Bannon left. This kind of talk fuels the fire for the riots and divides the country. Proof the Left is really the "Party of Hate"


Im waiting for them to come to Illinois next and tear down all of the Abraham Lincoln statues. A Republican who freed them!


"The Locust" would love to see Poland destroyed and turned into a mini Pakistan.

Not much difference between a one party system and a two party system in my opinion. Power corrupts, and both the GOP and Dems have been in charge for far too long. The country is so divided now that the USA might even turn into a real democracy in the not so distant future where the Republicans and Democrats have to compete with other powerful parties.

Oh, I'm not surprised he made such a laughably absurd statement.

We all know too that he doesn't believe or live according to the self-rigteous, virtual signaling, one-worlder diversity BS he peddles on here.

Although not white or Polish himself he has admitted to deliberately leaving his multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-faith homeland of Britain for homogenous pre-dominately white Poland a long time ago. Even with Poles migrating to Britain clearly there was a tipping point for him regarding the presence of other non-whites like himself both in his neighborhood and the rest of Britain.

He always points out too about needing to work abroad and only resides in lower cost of living Poland like some seasonal tourist. Such a work/life schedule guarantees he always has an excuse to limit his long-term exposure to the so-called "enrichment" he advocates for whether inside or outside Poland. It's telling too about his genuine commitment to diversity and advocacy for cultural enrichment when anyone can simply look at the disproportionate about of time he spends posting on PF (wherever he claims to be at) rather than interacting in the real world with the rest of the world and being "enriched".

He is also a proclaimed communist. Communism can't exist without the redistribution of wealth. Given that he earns his income abroad I'd love to see this communist's submitted tax returns and bank account balances in Poland compared to what he keeps stashed abroad. I'm sure the Ministry of Finance would too!

But like all champagne socialists he will smugly say that he will gladly have his wealth confiscated and redistributed "after the revolution." Yeah, sure he would. He could easily pay the maximum in taxes and live his life like a non-profit by redistributing all his money at the end of the year to those less fortunate than himself.

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherant virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Churchill

Socialists all to make a one world system with one currency one government one economy no nations no borders. They've wanted to do this since the Bolshevik revolution before ww1 and thank God poland stopped them dead in their tracks in Warsaw. But they tried again in ww2 and it took us 50 years to kick them out. Now they've changed their party name, not just in Poland but all around the world, inserted people in specific positions of power where they can pull certain levers when need be. They've altered their speeches a little but they still have the same basic tenets and ideologies as the barefoot Bolsheviks who worshipped the drunken deadbeat adulterer named marx.

They want nothing more than a worldwide revolution and they'll keep trying and trying. Different schools of socialism say its best to accomplish it in different ways - some want all out war, some advocate gradual revolutions, some advocate guerilla type subversive tactics, some are doing it by high finance to enslave generation after generation, some propose flooding 1st world countries with 3rd world migrants and wait for a balancing out, etc but the end game is all the same. Ignorant proletariats who are in a forever cycle of debt from the moment their born totally enslaved to their governmental corporate masters with no freedoms, no individuality, no privacy and being forced to accept ideas and agendas they disagree with but are unable to oppose them. This is is why people like timmermans and other e.g. elites basically are saying Islamic terror is part of life and we have to get use to it. Ngos stand on eu shores helping bringing these people in because they were told thats what they should do. People like Soros form groups to have their sheep demonstrate (sometimes they're even paid to do this) with signs that read open borders, welcome refugees, down with white privilege, and will have the same type of commie slogans plastered all over the dilapidated north Korean capital and countryside. The worst thing is that they use social justice and equality as a ruse and too many people fall for it because it sounds like a great idea but they never bother to ask questions like why, what's behind it, who's pushing these agendas, how will it affect me and my family, what are the consequences, etc. The answer is to make everyone equally miserable and destitute. Allow this continue unabated and in 100 years our decendants will all be living in micro apartments, our traditions and culture erased and censored, and toiling for the rest of our lives to pay off an invisible debt they were born into but told to be grateful for the 20 square meter apartment and rice ration cards we receive. Well all be chipped and surveillanced nonstop. Yesterday even in the Chicago tribune I read an article about this. The author calls notions such as freedom idiotic and says that he'll accept a microchip simply so other liberals don't make fun of him.

Please read this it will give you a better understanding of the psychology of what is good and bad to socialist types and what the society they want would entail google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-employee-microchips-kass-met-0727-20170726-column,amp.html]

In theory though honestly open borders, one world government, one economy would be a wonderful idea but it is incompatible with human nature, at least at this point. Socialists in charge know this, they're not dumb. So perhaps such science and technologies along with propaganda gradually pushed on the world are the answers to further dumb down society and make us even more subservient. They already have us controlled in terms of debt and surveillance. No one is asked whether they want a social security number and even in your phone you can only turn off so many apps that track you before it becomes a useless paperweight (if you read the fine print when adjusting settings or installing most common apps even like flashlight it clearly says that the app cam access your email without your permission, use recording or the camera without your permissiom, divulge your location, etc.). Like the Nazis said repeat a lie long enough and people will believe it and not challenge it. Well when we have a writer like the Chicago tribune guy saying freedom and other western ideals are idiotic and need to be replaced, perhaps the less intelligent subservient types will go for it if they keep hearing such things over and over and over. He even explains how government and corporate masters know what's best for humanity - truly modern day socialism.

We've seen time and time again that cultures traditions ideas clash with others. People subconsciously are drawn to others like themselves - even liberals. Notice even at any uni cafeteria the black students tend to sit w black students or at a corporation sales managers sit w other sales managers, lgbt sit with other lgbt. This has been part of the human experience for centuries. All people organize and assemble based on ethnicity, religion, politics, work specialty, common hobbies or interests, etc. This will never stop. What the socialists want is to reject free assembly, speech, organizations that threaten their eventual ideal of a one world system. Make everyone, or at least 99.9% of the population, the proletariat all the same. Well all be equally miserable, equally enslaved, equally unfree, and equally subservient. For now they'll label things they don't like as racist bigoted backwards or invent phrases like white guilt. They'll put their people inside specific countries organizations etc like Soros has done time and time again to bring about revolution in one place or other. This is all they can do for now to increase their support base. The leaders don't care about your freedoms or if your country has been turned upside down - they just want to stay in their ivory tower and tell the 99.9% how they should live according to their own ideas. Do you think Merkel would ever give up her security detail and move into a German no go zone? Do you think they'd ditch their learjets and would fly coach to get from place to place? No that's for the plebs. However the world is too big right now for them and too many countries are refusing to give into such a system at least politically. In terms of finance they're all on board though with the exception of a few African countries hence the reason for the creation of the totally sovereign and inviolable bank of international settlements which makes the us fed look like a biotch. Nonetheless when they tell 3rd world types about ideas like equality prosperity etc of course they're going to buy into it. Then they come to Europe and they end up in the exact same situation or even worse than before. They're just pawns after all just like the people who have been brainwashed into hoisting refugees welcome signs.

This is very true.

Everyone points to an exaggeratedly idealized past in Polish history with Jews living side by side with Poles. But the reality is that they lived apart (decidedly so especially among self-segregating Jews) and unsurprisingly when war came society collapsed.

Also, Soviet housing policies aimed at leveling social strata sometimes forced scientists and engineers to reside next door to assembly line workers and street sweepers. The result was that they rarely spoke to each other since they had absolutely nothing in common. In a free society their economic earning power would have naturally separated them. In a communist system forcing disparate groups together is a stressor for all involved and effectively a form of unmerited and unjustified social punishment.

Simply not true, and one wonders why you are spreading such a myth. If you visit one of the many museums in Poland dedicated to Jewish inhabitants of Poland, you can see what a vital part they played in every day life.


I'm not sure where you read that, but it's absolutely not true. One thing that many people miss about the PRL was the sense of community that existed in many places, as especially in cities, the differences were considerably less.

All smoke and mirrors. I`ve never believed a word of it as well.


The hypocrisy from the left has NO Bounds!

He`s literally on this forum 18 hours every day of his lonely life, its very sad if you think about it.
I certainly don't have any pity for someone that is trying to shove their PC agenda down our throats!


He is funding BLM and Antifa along with other democratic politicians and their hate speech to destabilize the USA

Did your hear about this low life Senator calling for the assassination of the President?

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foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/18/missouri-governor-calls-for-expulsion-dem-senator-who-urged-trump-assassination.html

Where is the outrage from the msm? If that were said about Obuama it would plastered all over the media.
I`m sure its Illegal to threaten the President, she should be getting a visit from the Secret Service soon!

Threatening the President of the United States is a class E felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871.
The offense is punishable by up to 5 years in prison, a $250,000 maximum fine, a $100 special assessment, and 3 years of supervised release.
Think she will see any of that ?
Doubtful.

@Bieganski,

Living apart was not necessarily the Jews' choice now, was it? Many went as far as to convert, if only to curry favor with the authorities aka the Church!

How then do you or others explain the numerous assimilated Jews who contributed richly to Polish language and culture, e.g. Julian Tuwim, Jan Brzechwa, Jan Kiepura, Boleslaw Lesmian, Tadeusz Rozewicz, along with many others, who wrote in POLISH, and not Yiddish or even German etc.!!

True, the first Jewish settlers to Poland did remain separate from the rest of society. The simple fact was they weren't wanted. The latter was scarcely their fault.

Whose every day life? Their own or Poles?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

So vital you couldn't even give examples.

So integral but if we are to believe the crocodile tears shed daily on PF by the ragtag Zionist trolls the Jews were living in nonstop fear in Poland for centuries.

Too bad for you but you can't have it both ways. Anyway, it's always entertaining to see the lies of the smug left be exposed from your own contradictions and inconsistencies.

And you are also conveniently forgetting that only a few months ago it was you who was spreading falsehoods about how mixed Poles and Ukrainians were in places like Galicia and how according to your lies they couldn't tell each other apart.

Source: https://polishforums.com/law/lviv-born-ancestry-claimed-63667/#msg1591558

I asked you at the time if you counted Jews among this so-called "huge, almost indistinguishable, peasant class" (your words). Unsurprisingly (and confirmed again here today by your Jewish supremacist sentiment) you never answered.

So, according to your myth-making revisionist history, Poland existed in name; inexplicably Poles didn't know who they were and couldn't even distinguish themselves from Ukrainians, but somehow Jews miraculously had an unique identity which they were able to nurture and preserve while being integral to daily life in Poland. Again, whose daily life? Not Poles, that's for sure.

Nope, you are not convincing at all. Go tell your Soros-funded NGO paymasters that they are not getting their money's worth out of you. Maybe they'll be nice and let you keep a job with them more in line with your skills and abilities like cleaning their office toilets and emptying bins.


Poland under the PRL was far more homogenous than only years before the criminal Nazis invaded and wreaked havoc, destruction and death.

The sense of community you are citing came from ethnic Poles from all across Poland and Kresy coming together to rebuild and repopulate Polish cities. The sense of community came from regaining our Rzeczpospolita; forged in the crucible of war and galvanized during the Moscow-backed reign of the Zydokomuna.

Indeed, during the PRL those who managed to get access to better housing and essential items otherwise in shortage were those who showed loyalty to the communist party and its sinister ideology not Poland or fellow Poles.

But it was ethnic Poles in our millions who took to the streets to overthrow the communist status quo which did not and would never benefit us.

Still, as I stated, the Soviet era housing policies were artificial and unnatural.

Poles prefer social mobility through expression of talent. It is an admired and encouraged trait.

Polish unity is based on a shared history, ancient and rich cultural traditions, a beautiful language and long literary tradition, and a common heritage and genealogy.

The hate coming from the Left is being welcomed as they see a divided nation as good for their political objectives.
Hopefully they will wake up before people start dying on the streets of America.

Sorry to have stepped on your post Bieganski as I knew a reply with common sense was going to follow the Scotsman's.
Excellent reply might I say.

No problem and thanks. Some may think things are steering off topic. But as you already know it is very relevant because Americans and other Europeans can learn a lot from Polish history and how Poles have set an inspiring example time and again of the need to respect and preserve language, heritage and identity especially when hostile alien elements attempt to destroy it from continuing.

Wrong. In fact, post-war was marked by ethnic Poles killing and looting in order to forcibly seize the assets of others.


Yes, it's very clear that you have never lived in Poland with such expressions. Everyone actually in Poland knows that the Polish national character is defined by a huge sense of zawiść, which presents problems for monolingual anglophones like yourself, as there is no good translation for the term. Social mobility is met with huge scorn here, with anyone successful in life assumed to have stolen the money. Expressing talent is not encouraged in the slightest, especially in Polish-owned companies where nepotism is far more important than skill.

That same zawiść can be found in the language, where you can find terms such as korpomatka as spoken by jealous villagers who spent most of their lives cooking bigos and getting battered by their drunken husbands.

Still, perhaps you'll visit Poland one day and see for yourself.

Utter lies. You just love maligning Poles with your routine false portrayals of being rampaging criminals. You've been doing it for years and only very recently you were off your rocker again with a daily posting storm on here of any remotely bad press article you could find about Poles.

Face it, if ethnic Poles were too busy killing and looting right after the war then how on earth did Poland ever rebuild and repopulate?

I'm really surprised you didn't say it took the Soviet Army and forced introduction of communism to restore order. But that would make your lies way too obvious wouldn't it?

And who were the "others"? Go on, say it. Jews, right? Hmmm, but weren't they all murdered by Poles collaborating with the Nazis before your glorious Red Army showed up? That's at least what you, Zydko, and your other Polonophobic cohorts keep posting on here all the time.

Again, your contradictions and inconsistencies are amusing. You should try doing stand-up comedy. I'm sure you would be very popular at bar mitzvahs and at least you would find a receptive audience among your own kind.


Yawn. It's clear that you claim to live in Poland but don't have much social contact with Poles. Seeing one of us walk by from your bedsit window doesn't count you know. But granted, getting a reply from me on occasion would count as interacting with a Pole but that still doesn't give you any bragging rights and try to pretend that you are like one of us. You aren't and never will be.


Yawn. The only ones with the worldwide reputation for sneering at social mobility are the British and that's you. Being the anglophone/anglocentric pro-Jewish Johnny Foreigner that you are your posts show time and time again that you are the outsider and how very low your station in life is.

The only one consumed with envy at the sight of Polish success is you. Just know your place and life will be much more easier for you.

Yes sure but that was when slavery was well alive and kicking. I'm talking about now. If they're sooo oppressed in the USA just hand over your passports and go to Africa, make Africa great again and be happy. No takers? What is the matter, no stuff for free and for shouting the big mouth of their?


The end game is to destroy American and western civilization to build a totalitarian commie state. Those are first steps of the Revolution. People should wake up and kick them out, both Democrats and Republicans.


There is a good movie about it.

Nah, they could have done without them. In fact most of pre-war tension between Poles and Jews stemmed from the economical and social competition.


Trolling again?


That is just laughable, you have no argument so you try snip at the ankles with you pseudo- knowledge

@delphiandomine

They may share a country yes absolutely but in general jews and other nationalities resided in their own pckets. Even now in wroclaw near the rynek there's a synogague surrounded by several restaurants. It doesn't mean theyre not polish or anything. I'm merely pointing out that people tend to associate, live around, engage with like people based on something like culture etc. For example in the Jewish corner near the rynek Jews tend to assemble there bc of religion, eat at the restaurants and cafes nearby bc they're kosher, etc.

Also you are right in many polish firms nepotism trumps talent. Its like that everywhere though but its declining. Now there are foreigners even in high positions making top salaries in pl. Nepotism was more common in prl times but its slowly dissipating. Maybe at the polish companies its more prevalent but not the international ones operating in poland. Nepotism is everywhere though if a guy is a c suite exec or senior manager he can squeeze his kids into the company he works at. Oftentimes legacy is important to companies and universities that's why they ask if you have any family or friends that work st such and such corp or attended some uni.

You are right tho most people miss the community low crime and sense of family unity of prl times. However they don't miss the ques for basic goods, being way poorer than the west, lack of freedom, lack of free speech, lack of assembly, etc. Some ussr satellite nations citizens even hijacked airlines demanding to be flow to the west. Like I said there's pros and cons with everything including socialism vs capitalism/democracy

@delphiandomine

Also the closest thing to zawisc I can think of is envy but with a bit of maliciousness esp if the person is not just envious but also wishes to street you wrong. I hate to say it but ya a lot of poles do exhibit that trait esp men in business/corporate situations as well as women in terms of like 'keeping up with the joneses' scenarios. Poles love to gossip and many pretend to be your friend but are really looking to use you. Its not just poles that do that it seems pretty common in a lot of Slavic countries. In Russia and Ukraine its even more so. Back in the wild 90s esp in Russia and Ukraine murders and kidnappings of businessmen and such were referred to as business disputes and everyone shrugged their shoulders

I wouldn't say tho 100% upward mobility isn't encouraged or met with scorn. Maybe among the old prl generations but not anymore but yes people are jealous and have zawisc if they see you've become financially successful. Amongst youth though success is more congratulated but yes many ppl can be envious.

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Thank you for an honest answer :)

I think it's one reason why Polish-Americans did well as a group in their new country, because they left behind the negative traits and instead embraced the positive ones (hard working, entrepreneurial in their way, etc) that were also valued over there.

Not true as many of them even in the third and fourth generation still carry those traits here delph.
Especially the jealous and keeping up with the jones's not to mention the gossiper's.
I have actually had to rid myself of some of my Polish high school friends and even relatives because of their negativity.
Gripe gripe gripe gripe and never leave home within ten miles all their lives.
Don't get me wrong as everyone has their negative traits but the Polish all seem to have the same ones instilled in them.

Lol. Looks like ur up too. I've had a long night am edu to crash. If ur ever around chi pm me and ill tell u some good bars clubs restaurants etc u should check out.

@delphiandomine

A lot here and acquired some negative stereotypes tho lol. Some poles had a weird sense of entitlement and I'm better than thou when they first started arriving They saw themselves superior to the Hispanic migrants even tho they worked in the same type of jobs and were often each others coworkers. Its faded but it was prevalent in the 80s 90s and early 00s. However the gossiping and zawisc they've definitely carried with them esp the polish housewife types.

Most Americans view poles as hard working but they still carry that 'polish handyman' stereotype which is pretty accurate (most stereotypes have at least some degree of truth and not all are negative for example Asians are thought to be very smart and studious) as many work in that field too who migrated to uk sweden Germany etc. Its mainly the parents of the youth and those who are 40+. Some youth did follow in their parents foot steps like say a son apprenticing at his dads electrician business but for the most part the younger generations fanned out into all different types of careers. A lot are educated and there's tons of young polish lawyers doctors businessmen etc. Although yea originally a lot of their fathers worked in construction and moms worked as maids housekeeping etc even if the parents had an education from back in poland. They chose such jobs esp construction because the pay is higher than many other jobs that have low entry barriers and where a good command if English isn't a necessary requirement. Well with that came the kind of modern type of dumb polka stereotype view bc some are content making $30 usd plus a day for carpentry not learning English and only hanging out w other poles. Many tho are also small biz owners construction firms hotels hotels restaurants and some educated themselbes. Even if the well heeled poland doesn't have an education themselves they'll aylest encourage their kids.

I knew one very wealthy pole who owned a massive window factory. He had lambos porsches multiple massive houses including two in a resort town called lake Geneva that were worth several mil and tons of cash in the bank and in various investments. Sadly he gradually lost everything through poker.

One thing I noticed too is back in the 90s and early 00s when massive amounts of poles had migrated they tended to stick to certain neighborhoods and mainly associated with other poles. Now that they've lived here a while many have saved up moved to the suburbs and although they still keep in contact with people from the old neighborhood they now have a far more diverse group of friends. Even myself and my own family when I was in grade school at least half of the school was polish and we all went to a polish mass, polish events etc. Now we associate with maybe like 2 or 3 of our best friends from back in the day but other polish friends have been replaced by Italians Indians wasps blacks and Hispanics esp Mexicans and Guatemalan

Sry meant 30 per hr not day. Obviously sepending on level of skill experience and all but usually the polish dudes who do construction or related jobs do quite well even if they're doing the actual physical labor.

That is BS. It doesn't define the Polish national character if anything that alleged trait is a hiccup of the bygone era of soviet imposed order with their divisive policy of the state sanctioned distrust and snooping on thy neighbour. Alternate it could be a trait of the people very low on a social strata in Poland, describing it as a national character is a too much of a stretch.

Notice how the Democrats can't argue or debate the FACTS.
So let me get this straight Lyzko
Black people and antifa's who were never slaves are fighting white people who were never Nazi's,
over a Confederate statue erected by Democrats, because Democrats can't stand their own history anymore and somehow it is Trumps fault. lol

and now,news come up that this driver from Charlottesville was diagnosed with schizophrenia,and they twisted Trumps arms to apologise for not condemning enough "nazi" attack.

stupid libtards.

ANTIFA is actually a radical communist group. Their funding comes mainly from George Soros, he wants to destroy America as we know it.


They never have been able too! All they do is divert and try and change the subject or call you names like racist or bigot.

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Amazing to watch how much the alt-right are crying and begging for help now that the inevitable has happened with the emergence of a group that is willing to take them head-on.

As for Soros funding them, talk about believing media nonsense :D