Let's debate American Politics

The hate is coming from the Left if you would have read the article or watched the video that I supplied.

wnd.com/2017/08/secrets-out-why-cops-are-standing-down-in-berkeley-and-beyond/#tTlMelJr3aHFxOgf.03y

It's coming from those who organised the 'Summer of Hate'. The clue is in the name.

You are supporter of violence on the streets, you support criminal acts, you are not in to make any kind of judgments on anyone. you are a part of the problem not a solution.

It's coming from the Left that are still having their melt down that Crooked Hillary lost.
It's coming from those who want to ignore the Constitution and change it.
It's coming from the Commie Liberal Socialists.
It's coming from the non believers who hate Christianity in which America was founded on.
It's coming from those that think the world owes them a living.
Come on jon, spreading your propaganda that mirrors your ambitions and beliefs ain't gonna cut it with us that know your agenda which is to destroy America.

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Well said.

@Ironside

You can present thousands of facts from independent and even some left leaning outlets that prove what the far left calls 'right wing myths' ie. protestors are paid but their mind won't register it. They'll avoid anything that challenges their socialist Marxist pc worldviews. Some people are just too closed off and no amount of facts and empirical conclusions will change their mind. They're biased almost to the point of being brainwashed.

@Johnny,

You supposedly are up on your New Testament and you have the gall to warn ME that I may be next?! Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Just lookin' out for you buddy.


I believe Sodom and Gomorrah are in the First Book of the Old Testament. (Genesis)

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah due to wickedness sodomy greed etc. I forget the name of the prophet who asked God to spare the innocent ones. I believe the story went that a small group escaped and were told not to look back as the cities were destroyed. One woman couldn't resist, looked, and was turned into a pillar of salt. Some people trace the dead sea back to this incident.

Anyway if God were to destroy cities in the modern day for the same reasons as Sodom and Gomorrah much of the world would be gone. The wickedness of the modern world is just as bad arguably worse as the things described in the old testament. At least people aren't offering up infants to owl or Baal statues anymore though.

Some do...

Maybe a few Satanist types but religious ceremonies have changed drastically. People aren't rolling dead bodies down chichen itza any more or having massive gatherings where they offer up human sacrifice. Thousands of years ago such practices were considered pretty normal if not necessary to appease the gods. We've changed a lot since then though and most people view such acts as barbaric immoral and repulsive. The weird thing is is that many elites collect paintings sculptures etc that resemble deities from ancient religions like owls, or hang pictures of maggots or weird hybrid looking babies. John podesta for example has a golden statue of a man in agony with the body arched in a sort of scorpion with the head upside down on the ground looking straight back arched and legs on the ground. Its the same pose that dahmer would photograph his victims in once he was done raping torturing and killing them. Kinda messed up how there's a market for this stuff. I remember an auction where a can of poop was sold for tens of thousands of dollars.

We have one. It is a symbol of Sacred Wisdom (as well as a common tourist souvenir from Athens). It's also a symbol of learning, and of my city.

Pluralism of symbols is very common, and symbolism plays a part in American civic life. Denver Airport is rich in them and of course the Georgia Guidstones are well-known and beautiful. Much more besides for thos who know where (and how) to look.


A very good man. Much better taste in art and decor than Trump's awful gold leaf.


You do get about, don't you...

Piero Manzoni was the artist. Great sense of humour. Duchamp would have been proud of him. One of his cans was sold in Milan last year for 275000 euro.

Back on topic gentlemen.

@jon357

I am aware of much of the symbolism.. Having an owl which yes in a symbol of wisdom is one thing.. Offering dead people to it as if it were some holy idol is another.

Good man rofl. More like two timing backstabber who corrupted the DNC especially as it pertains to Sanders. Then he cried that his secrets and corruption was exposed. He spun it so fickle minded people focused more on some Russian hacker who released the documents and emails rather than the content. Its sad how corrupt and hypocritical much of the dem establishment is. Sanders found out the hard way. A lot of em will say anything to win minority votes including race bait rhetoric then say racist things behind closed doors (I.e. young blacks are super predators). They'll say and do whatever it takes to win votes kind of like what Hillary did - sometimes she's pro gay marriage sometimes not, lets go to war in iraq, lets not, and so on..

Although I do applaud his efforts as far as declassification is concerned.

Also what do you mean by 'you get about don't you"

It is a holy idol if people are making offerings to It. Who among us hasn't?


Sanders was by far the best of the candidates in the primary stage - obviously head and shoulders above any replublicanist, but also the best Democrat. Unfortunately though, he's far too old and wise.

A new contender will emerge. Right now there's stasis over there due to a weak and unstable president. When the Russia scandal is played out, then things will start again.

Like I said making an offering to some statue whether its placing roses to a statue of the virgin Mary or tobacco and alcohol to Santa muerte or even sacrificing an animal during some religious ceremony is one thing. However sacrificing people to some statue is totally different. Not only is it repugnant but also illegal. Sadly one of the Satanists from the Chicago rippers of the 80s is getting out of prison or is already out now since he ratted in everyone. Crazy that a guy can get away with killing a 1 year old amongst several others that he killed and can walk right out of prison since he gave up his friends who are lifers. But alas such is our justice system...

Anyway imo Sanders was far better than Clinton but his nomination was stolen. I saw him as a pretty honest guy. He didn't take millions upon millions for speeches and bogus consulting. He didn't take millions from hardcore Islamic fundamentalist rules and then go preach about women's or light rights. For the most part he walked the walk unlike Hillary. I didn't agree with all of Sanders programs and ideas but at least he seemed like a pretty stand up guy who believed he was doing good. Furthermore it doesn't appear that he used his position as a politician to make himself a multimillionaire like so many others have on both sides. Like I said before there's a good chance that Sanders may even have beat trump bc he was really popular amongst all sorts of people esp youth. I thought he had some good idea but certain things he spoke of would simply be financially impossible. Id still take him anyway over hillary.

The Russian one that Crooked Hillary and the DP are behind to try and get Trump impeached ?

I liked him. A genuinely left-wing alternative. Because of what's going on now, the next Democrat president is likely to be far less neoliberal and much further to the left than Barack or Hilary.

i bet it will be some black tranny if nothing change

Nothing wrong with that at all. I'd prefer to see such a person than anyone this guy would try to support

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@jon357

Idk only time will tell. Barack was pretty far to the left though he had a lot of socialist type ideas. He wasted a ton of money though. Much of his inspiration came from salinskys rules for radicals esp his early years. Funny how fellow dem blago tried to basically sell his empty seat lolol. I tend to like centrist leaders the most bc I feel they're able to compromise more effectively instead of being beholden to just one school of politics and the politicians in it. I kind of doubt though that the next president as much towards the right is as trump.

We've got over 3 years left of trump. He's done a few good things w trying to bring jobs back (i.e. foxconn) and is now starting to look at tax policy which he stated workers will see larger paychecks. The media's been totally unrelenting with him though and probably will be for the next 3 years so he doesn't get reelected. The msm very rarely acknowledge some of the things he's done. But again only time will tell. If the left picks a candidate that people don't like and definitely don't trust like Hillary it'll be hard for them.

If trump in fact does lower taxes and middle class working people see bigger paychecks, more job opportunities, a toning down of some of his capricious behavior, developing better ties with regional powers, etc he may have a chance. He has to chill out with the ego and non stop firing bc some of the people like in his economic advisers circle would have really helped him. Trump is a great businessman and entrepreneur but he's not very refined as a politician. Even when the transcript was revealed with his talk w mexico and Australia he seemed a bit too relaxed and casual. He spoke as if they were in a bar together sharing a beer and shooting the sh!t rather than discussing policies that affect huge populations and huge sums of money. That's fine in certain scenarios but that wasn't rly one of them.

Well see what happens over the next 3 years and what the mood and state of the country is in. A lot can happen. In any case by that time if all goes as planned ill no longer be living in the us anyway.

You support Antifa, they don't differ much at all.

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Its very apparent that ANTIFA, BLM etc, are the financed and endorsed terrorist wing of the DNC party.

Neo-Jon would like nothing more to see us destroyed.

Why else would he sit on this forum all day and night pumping out his liberal nastiness.

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Of course they are.
Here thy are
Unmasked: 11 antifa mugshots guaranteed to make your blood boil
wnd.com/2017/08/unmasked-11-antifa-mugshots-guaranteed-to-make-your-blood-boil/#i5AC1OG80U4Yk4MI.03


Pumping out Marxist propaganda.

You may well be right, Johnny Reb. I stand corrected:-)

As well as you may be right.
The way I look at it Mark is that the kids today have been brainwashed with Left propaganda from the media and teachers that the Republicans want to starve people, keep them poor, take their health insurance, push grandparents off a cliff yadda yadda.

Some of these kids grew up taking it to heart and became antifa's as well as some of the Right's kids got brainwashed and became Supremacists.

I blame it mostly on the media which has created a monster that backfired on them.
Even Polosi has condemned the antifa's.
I think there are many stand up Americans in both parties who damn well better start working together and stand up to our worthless Congress before a Civil War breaks out. IMO

We both know that savages are getting restless.

Now you know WHY Trump fired the pinhead Comey !

Comey wrote draft exoneration of Clinton months before July 2016 announcement !

Former FBI Director James Comey drafted a statement exonerating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for running her government emails through a private email server before completing the investigation, according to two Republican senators.

Comey prepared the draft exoneration for Clinton before conducting interviews with top Clinton aides who were offered immunity for their cooperation, Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley and Sen. Lindsey Graham said Thursday in a joint statement, citing transcripts of interviews with former Comey aides obtained by the Senate judiciary committee.

They look better with their masks on, what a group of worthless trash!

From 2 days ago

washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.8c533c6731e5
These ppl are dirtbags and ANTIFA needs to be designated a terrorist organization.

Let the Feds take them out!

petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

Over 330K ppl signed the petition. The White House has until Sept, 17th to respond.

They assemble and behave just like terrorists and should be treated as such.

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Wonder why the KKK or the American Nazi Party are still allowed then...


I thought you guys want the Feds out of your life? Or are you just pretending like the hypocritical Texas lawmakers did?