Let's debate American Politics

To Hairy TWO States is "numerous".
It is quite obvious that Hairy has carrying concealed with open carry.
He was wrong ONE other time this year too.

I meant it is quite obvious that Hairy has carrying concealed mixed up with open carry.

Care to explain when Arizona stopped being a state? Shall I name more states you and jimmy are telling whoppers about?

By golly Hairy !
Did you really waste an hour of your life googling something that who gives a ****. lol

Harry is only here to argue. He gets confused by facts and distorts the truth.


He would hurt himself with a squirt gun! LoL I always laugh when some expat that couldn't make it in their own country tells us how to run ours.

How many terrorist attacks have there been in Europe so far this year 10? 15? Good job, Limeys!!


How would you know Google master?

Have you ever seen a gun besides on TV?

@Harry
Care to address any of my other points or do you want to keep having a conversation with yourself? I know you're used to an echo chamber, and opinions you disagree with are violence and all.

@Harry

Even if those few states don't require an ADDITIONAL permit for concealed you nonetheless have to have a foid card which require a background check. Only firearms exempt from foid are bb guns and antiques (I believe guns made pre 1899 or 1895). In most states if you want to carry a gun you have to have both foid and CCP.

A person can legally obtain a minigun m60 m249 saw or any auto weapon granted they first have a foid card and only after that can they request additional permits from ATF for automatic weapons which require far higher standards than CCp.

If someone buys a glock 17 19 or whatever with a foid that's fine. But the moment they put a chip in it which turns it into a full auto they've committed a felony, lest they have the proper permits for automatics of course.

You should go shooting sometime harry. Even start with a 22 lr like I did. Its a lot of fun even just target shooting. Shooting stuffed animals with shotguns isn't bad either haha

@Harry

You seem to be an authority on this subject. Care to explain your qualifications as a subject matter on weapons and what is permissible in the public sphere? For some reason left wing radicals become experts in weaponry and tactics after an incident. I'll compare CV's with you anytime mate. That's unlikely though, your goal here is to antagonize people about their home country and start a confrontation, you are not interested in dialogue or understanding the other sides argument. I think everyone thus far has tried to be quite amenable with you, despite your insistence to the contrary.

Or the Daisy .177 just to be safe:)


My friends Dad used to have a plaster casting company at 18th/Halsted back in the 90`s remember those fat ugly plaster piggy banks?
We used to take the defected ones and blast them apart on the weekends..haha


Yep, Ive had my FOID since I was 18 years old. Im glad its connected thru the SOS now instead of having to renew it every 5 years.

I don't know how many times you can explain it? Until you're blue in the face it doesn't matter, he will argue for the sake of arguing, just like the LOT terminal thread.

Ah, the hilarity of watching gun nuts insult anybody who dares to point out the lies they tell. All things considered it's lucky they can't get their guns and so make up for yet again losing an argument.

Anyway, who's first to explain when Arizona either stopped being a state or started requiring permits to carry concealed? After we've done A, which letter is next?

@Harry

Harry, I was wrong concerning Arizona states conceal and carry regulations. CCW regs are fluid and always changing by state, and this is a good thing, our unique system with 50 laboratories of democracy allows our citizens to vote with their feet concerning issues surrounding drug laws, gun laws, education, and a host of other issues. What one state values another may not, and so on. I love the system that we have.

So now that we've dispensed with that. Please feel free to visit some of the aforementioned posts and opine about the issues presented in them. No one has insulted you so far as I can tell.

You're the only left wing nutter that is insulting ppl on here! Where do you get your vast wealth of information on America? It certainly can't be from living here and you most likely never set foot in our country either. This is the same pinko commie propaganda you pump out all the time on this forum. Stop accusing everybody of telling lies as well, its getting really old and childish, but hey, thats your mentality innit:)

No Hairy, go back to your post #1380 where I stated;



Now Hairy this is where you claimed "no permit to carry" when I said "back ground check" which are two totally different things.


I was talking apples and you wanted to show us your brilliance and started talking oranges for the sake of an argument.
Since you don't live in the United States we don't expect you to know the laws or the difference between a "back ground check" and "permit to carry".

I did not lie, you intentionally turned it into a lie.
To take it a step further because I doubt you can google that EVERYONE must have a back ground check to purchase a handgun in every State.

So to carry the gun you bought you would first have to have a background check.
There is another law in my State that says you can not carry someone else's gun without a concealed and carry permit.
The laws on concealed and carry change from State to State every year.
I know back five years ago when I got my concealed and carry renewed that there were only four States that you did not need one.

Now there are seven.
I had no intentions of visiting any of them so why even give it a second thought.
Only the States that effect me are of my concern.
Hairy you are like the guy that is always sitting at the end of the bar by himself because no one can stand to be around him because all he wants to do is argue.

Then as soon as someone gives you some attention yet disagrees with you you call them a liar.
You are hopeless to ever have any sane friends Hairy if you don't let go of your hate from your boarding school syndrome.
Maybe try going to church to let go and let God.

Same. That's why I like the whole like 'democratic federation' sort of system. No two states are similar in the US and one states laws on guns, crime, drugs, education, taxes, etc can differ completely from their next door neighbor - almost as if you crossed the border and were in another English speaking country in extreme instances.

Do you think we care what YOU think.
Do I need you Liberal cry babies telling me that I can't own a gun to protect my family with ? Hell no !
You don't want to own a gun then don't, I don't care.
Who the hell are you to tell me what I can and can not own ?
I don't need your permission to own a gun.
If some spaced out junkie breaks into my house looking for some oxycotin and decides to harm my family in the process I won't be calling the police and waiting for them to show up.

The poor s.o.b. will be meeting his maker long before the cops show up.
If you choose to stand there helplessly and watch him harm your children until the cops show up. I don't care.
So when you claim that we insult you...... give that some thought, you insult us.
You want to insult us because ONE guy goes crazy so ALL of us law abiding citizens must suffer because of it.
Now you are crying to out law the bump stock that allows a gun fire full automatic.
WHY ? They are junk and are very unreliable and jam the weapon more times then not.
People that don't own or shoot guns are clueless to that but they heard the name so now they want them outlawed. Stupid !
And you want to talk hilarity and insults. lol ........you are boring me.
Americans will NEVER give up their guns (tools for self defense) no matter how loud you cry.
And every time the Liberal Gun Grabbers try the sales of guns sky rocket.
obama and Crooked Hillary were the best gun salesmen that this country has ever know.
So when you start crying about my second amendment rights remember, I don't care what your ideals are so don't you care what mine are.

It's very dangerous out there these days so you better start paying attention to protect yourself before you are caught with your pants down.

That in itself should make you wonder if something is going horribly wrong in our country.


Despite Las Vegas and all the other mass shooting in the US: no, it's not. Unless you live in the wrong neighborhood or in some godforsaken hellhole in the GOP controlled South where half the population is addicted to opiates and infected with STDs.


QED

Progressive Liberalism - Hate - Political Correctness - Taking God out of our schools
All Commie un-American to destroy us.


Is Las Vegas or Chicago in the south ?


The police can not protect you.

@johnny, progressive liberalism aka EXTREMIST, unthinking lefty garbage is surely then no different in toxicity from reactionary conservative republicanism, is it? Both ideologies have long since abdicated dialogue in favor of a monologue, leaving little to any room for give-and-take, something I always thought was a cornerstone of a democracy, capiche buddy?!

Taking each of your objections one at a time, moving now to pc culture, I too, shockingly enough, have grown sick of this pussy-footing around reality in favor of some super-sanitzed version of the truth so as not to offend. And yet, it's converse, as I've posted numerous times, is nearly as bad! Do we really want a return to a time not all that long ago, when arbitrary authority, in the classroom, the office, the church, and the home, was king and capricious labeling of those deemed "different" ran rampant in this country??! I sure don't, nor would I imagine do any thinking persons.

As far as taking G_d "out of our schools", uhh, got news for ya, buster, He never left:-) The difference between today and pre-1953, is simply that folks today aren't expected any longer to impliment Him into the lesson, that's all. When I was in grade school, round about the end of '68-'69, those who wished their own moment of silence for grace or whatever, were granted it, at least in New York City! That I'm Jewish and my classmate from Egypt was Muslim, that my Colombian neighbor was a Catholic didn't matter a rat's ass.

To the rest of your diatribe, I can only say, that Communism is only "evil" because it's been corrupted....just like ultra-liberal democracy!

It's not diatribe Mark, it is my opinion.
Did you miss the part about.............

You certainly trumpet your "opinion" as though it were bleedin' holy writ!! I call THAT a diatribe:-)

@Lyzko

I really liked your entire response, and then you had to ruin it for me with the totally unproven argument about communism. Quite seriously, there has not been a single iteration of nations who attempted communism that did not become despotic and cause untold human misery and suffering in the 21st century. To the contrary, there have been many successful iterations of capitalist Democratic societies and their various permutations. High GDP is correlated(but certainly not causative) with increased freedoms and liberties in societies, even despotic ones. If you could lay out some evidence of communist societies also respecting individual liberty and human rights, then I will stand corrected.

People who say that communism was "evil" because it had been corrupted show that they are naive to the extreme. These people are those whom comrade Lenin aptly called 'useful idiots'. It is regrettable indeed the so-called 'rotten West' (to use the term often applied by the Soviets in the Stalin era) produced a good amount of such idiots. One notable example was an American delegation visiting a gulag near Murmansk in the '40s for which delegation the Soviets had carefully selected some prisoners feeding them properly for some weeks prior to the visit and next telling them what to say and thus making the Americans convinced that the gulags were fairly happy places to live in.

@Ziemowit

Comes on a forum about a country which was crushed under the oppressive grip of communism and the Soviet Union, and extols the virtues of communism. I thought I've seen it all. Having lived in one post-soviet country (Ukraine), and my fiancee being Polish and visiting her family, I could unequivocally say you're not going to find sympathy for an ideology which robbed them of their national identity, their language, and turned neighbor against neighbor.

As do you which is bad enough but you claiming to be a college professor spewing your Commie diatribe to 18 and 19 year old kids is what I find most disturbing.


OH I am very aware with what has gone wrong with this country.
The above is a huge part of it.

Johnny, there you and Ironside and kaprys go projecting again! Y'all really shoulda gone to Hollywood as make believe is your stock in trade:-)

By the way, I find it especially revealing that you send a private message to which you don't even expect a reply.

"Constructive criticism"?? I only wonder what you'd consider "destructive", since you conspicuously leave out all the good stuff about the recipient, only focusing on the negative (as if you're anyone to talk).

What did I say?
Lol
My first post in this thread as I have nothing to say about American politics but that very 'special' person accuses me of something I didn't say ... again ...

I feel lucky knowing he lives miles away :S

I don't deny it.
Best we keep our private differences private to avoid going off topic and annoying everyone else here.


I know the feeling and when you do pin his ears against the wall with a guilty verdict he refuses to address the issue knowing he is wrong and goes off on one of his endless and pointless merry go rounds to avoid admitting he is wrong.

I am done with that crap and will only reply in P.M.'s to show respect to this forum.
Now back on topic please.

Is there a form of communism which isn't corrupted ? If so, history has yet to see it.

The commie/socialist parties are long gone in Poland but the people have since moved onto to new top 4 parties

Democracy's being corrupted as we speak, yet I don't here the rural electorate complaining:-)

President Trump early today said Vice President Pence is "receiving great praise" for leaving an Indianapolis Colts game last Sunday after some San Francisco 49ers knelt during the national anthem.

"The trip by VP Pence was long planned, the president tweeted, "He is receiving great praise for leaving game after the players showed such disrespect for country !"

I wish everyone would have got up and left.