Let's debate American Politics

@Bluzeki

California just decriminalized infecting people and blood banks with HIV... and they said this would help stop infections...

California is most certainly not any sort of 'donor' state. California has more broke and bankrupt cities and municipalities than any other US state. The entire state itself is on the verge of bankruptcy. All those ridiculously high state taxes and excise taxes and they still can't balance their budgets. The governor said that California will have nearly a $2 bil deficit this year. Meanwhile his fellow dems want to spend more... I don't understand this is like accounting 101 - you don't spend money you don't have...especially if you can't pay back a loan and revenue is ever decreasing.. you lower spending its freaken simple... if this were a business it would already be in a stage of bankruptcy or receivership or and sued by share holders for ineptitude and gross mismanagement.

Just like Illinois... another bunch of dumba$$ limousine liberals and cuckservatives telling people how to run their businesses and they can't even balance a budget without thinking of 'what do we tax next' every year. Just recently they tried taxing soda and amount of miles driven in a year but settled on plastic grocery bags which use to be free instead. They take middle class incomes from the north side of chicago and redistribute it to the south side where on any given business day in the middle of the afternoon as the bums gradually wake up you'll see nearly half the people who live on the block, none of them going to some job or something productive (unless you consider selling crack and heroin to be productive - which honestly i wouldn't even care if at least it went into the tax base because the cops don't ever bother shutting them down unless they catch them with a gun - how do you stop entire swatches of an open air drug market with thousands of hiding places and no one willing to help police? yet the complain that their area is unsafe)... still sitting at home or on their front porch, hollering at any white people driving by to pull over so they can 'serve' them, generation after generation, spewing nonsense about 'white priveledge' even though its mainly a white and latino tax base paying for their 3 bed apartment, food, childcare, health insurance, cell phone, and even sometimes a bit of cash too all courtesy of the north side tax payers - not to mention most of the heroin customers are white and latino (blacks tend to prefer crack). Then they complain when there's shootings every 15 minutes in their neighborhood but oh no God forbid a cop shoots a 17 year old who tried to run him over with a stolen Jaguar... Oh but I forgot.. he a good boy he dindu nuffin

zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-12

16 reasons not to live in California
Phuck California - it's even worse than Illinois and NY

That's one part of the US I'd love to see secede. At least large parts of NY and Illinois have somewhat of a chance...

Women and gays too is the way she campaigned.
Crooked Hillary took a $250,000 donation for the Clinton Foundation from Weinstein even though he is a rapist.
She took millions in for the Clinton Foundation from countries that push gays off roofs and won't let women drive.
If Crooked Hillary wasn't such a hypocrite and liar she would give all that money back from the woman and gay abusers.
I am so relieved that witch didn't get to be President.
She should be in prison for life.

Depends when and where Johnny. She's flip flopped multiple times between being pro-man and woman only marriage, pro-gay marriage, back to pro-man/woman, now pro gay again.. not to mention innumerable flip flops on countless other topics from war, economics, taxation, TPP, gun control, etc etc.

She's one of those politicians that prefers to see poll numbers and speak to analysts and such prior to making any such statements and taking a side. Then if the poll numbers and analysis reveal an opposite stance to be more popular in a different time and place, they'll go with that. Obama did it in a way too (he was pretty intelligent but his ideas were all theory, no practicality) but Hillary to the extreme. People are getting sick of those types of politicians -not just in US but in Europe too.

If she truly cared about women she would donate all that money to a women`s abuse center, but we all know that will never happen because of her greed.

Its coming to light that NBC knew about this some time ago and tried sweeping it under the rug. I can't blame Trump if he decides to crack down on these liberal biased media networks. They have become like an organized crime syndicate.


Yep, she goes back and forth telling people what they want to hear, everyone knows she's lying.

"The champion of all women" actually paid her female employees less than their male co workers.

You mean the kind of place a woman can go for help after being punched in the face by a scumbag so hard that he broke her nose?

I never hit any women, have another beer. Isn't it getting kind of late over there to still be playing on the internet?


It will never happen. If she would of won we would be getting sold down the road as we speak. Just like the uranium one deal with Putin.

You can always tell from his posts when he has been 'working' "testing" beer.


California is on fire and will be requesting billions in Federal assistance.

Well, apparently you aren't all bad then. However, there are scumbags out there who punch women in the face so hard that they break their victim's nose. I hope you'll join me in condemning those scumbags. Weinstein is certainly also a scumbag but he's a scumbag who admits he has done wrong: there are other scumbags out there who actually boast about how much they enjoy abusing women and say that they have done nothing wrong with their abuse of women, even when that abuse is so severe that it ends with a nun having a broken nose. Would you say that Weinstein is less of a scumbag than the kind of man who boasts about how much he enjoys abusing women?

No. Rape and a broken nose are two vastly different crimes. A rape has a far higher criminal penalty since it's a felony (aka aggravated sexual assault) than a broken nose which could be considered as simple as a 4th degree misdemeanor. A broken nose will heal - once a woman is raped she has to live with that for the rest of her life - the immediate physical trauma, the emotional for the rest of her life, not to mention the possibility of pregnancy, catching an STD, etc.

That was when I was 12 years old defend myself against a physically abusive nun Adrain.
The courts and church determined it self defense.
She never taught again.
Harry keeps bringing it up because he is embarrassed about how he has abused women by sodomizing them forcefully and talking abusive and filthy to them here on the forum.

And he is 50 plus years old and still hasn't learned.

@johnny reb

I'm aware. I'm still pointing out though that a broken nose (even if it wasn't in self defense) and rape are two vastly different things.

The bogus thing is how these women suddenly bring up that they were raped decades earlier, the media spreads it, stupid people buy it. Of course no mention of the relevant statute of limitations...

I am aware. And Harry has boasted about sodomizing a woman which is just plain disgusting to boast about not to mention the poor abused woman.

She has said that she will donate the money but refused to say WHERE the money will be donated to.
On her donations, Clinton added that it wasn't possible to give the money back but that she would donate it to charity.
Throughout Clinton's political career, Weinstein helped raise around $1.5 million for Democrats and associated groups by bundling donations.
That doesn't count the personal $250,000 that Weinstein donated to the Clinton Foundation.
Now Crooked Hilary has done another flip flop and says that he is a pig for his actions.

So a scumbag like Weinstein who is accused of rape and denies that but admits his behavior has been unacceptable is more of a scumbag than a scumbag who boasts about how much he enjoys abusing women and how he did nothing wrong when punching women in the face? Seriously?


Poor jimmy, once again when faced with reality he has to retreat into fantasy. As soon as discussions start about how he boasted about abusing women while a scumbag like Weinstein apologies for his crimes and is rightly shunned, jimmy needs to start claiming that I'm a rapist. Poor little jimmy. I wonder if he'd like to support his slur with a quote or would he prefer to simply be banned for such time that he learns it really isn't acceptable here to claim that other members are rapists?

Did you or did you not boast about how you enjoyed sodomizing some Ukrainian woman ?
Did you or did you not talk filthy in an abusive manner to woman on this forum ?
Come on Mr. Fantasy himself, boast some more what a pervert you are.

Though the Weinstein Company has been adamant in recent days that the sexual harassment allegations against co founder Harvey Weinstein "come as an utter surprise to the Board," a new report from the New York Times suggests otherwise.

According to the Times, various interviews and internal documents offer proof that the board knew about at least some of the Weinstein payouts.
The board was made aware at the time of three or four confidential settlements with women.
The board member claims that he believed at the time that the settlements were being used to cover up extramarital consensual affairs.

To my understanding, Johnny was defending himself as a pre-teen and he never boasted about abusing women (as in plural - multiple women). Regardless, punching someone in the nose and raping a person are two vastly different crimes with vastly different penalties - regardless if the person's boasting about it or not, feels remorse or not, etc. We'll see though if indeed Weinstein is actually convicted of sexual assault. For now it's just speculation. He didn't do himself any good by apologizing for 'inappropriate behavior' before any sort of trial or plea as it worsens his position. If convicted he could've and should've apologized. For now though this is just speculation on what he did and didn't do and it's the court's and a juries (if that's the route it goes) to decide what he did, if anything, and what his punishment will be.

If I had ever said that, you'd be able to quote me saying that. So quote me saying it. Either that or admit that your lie that I "forcefully" sodomized anybody is the type of vile lie that would get a poster a lengthy ban at any forum which doesn't view ethics in the same way that Weinstein and his Hollywood cronies viewed morality. I'm more than happy to quote you saying how much you enjoyed abusing women; of course in your mind they were 'asking for it', just as Weinstein probably thought his victims were 'asking for it'.


Your understanding is wrong.


It may or may not worsen his legal position, but it was certainly one of the right things to do, with the next thing taking steps so his apologies are not just words.

He defended himself against abusive baby sitter. Stop spreading fake news, you're too dumb to get a job in CNN anyhow.

Harry is very well aware of that.
He has obsessive compulsion disorder and repeats himself like a parrot does. (mental issue)
He is just longing for his cohorts return and is bored without having a job and obviously hung over from his late night binge last night spewing crap on here.

Just bare with him as he will move on to attack the next member any day now.
Another peep out of your mouth Hairy to disrupt my thread and I will embarrass you again.
Now please put a sock in it because it is EVERYBODY AGAINST HARRY T-shirt day.
Shall we get back on thread ourselves as the mods refuse to give him a warning for trolling, baiting and abusing in this thread. (T - B - A)

It will most definitely worsen his legal position as he's already admitted fault. He publically admitted that he did something wrong already by saying he regretted 'inappropriate actions.' That will be the very first thing the prosecution will bring up when examining him. Meanwhile his lawyer tried to salvage the situation stating that Harvey denies the accusations which is of course hypocritical to his own admission. Yes it was perhaps the right thing to do. It would've also been the right thing to do if he fully admitted what he did, said he'll face whatever penalty is decided for him, and comply with compensating his victims, revealed all the info, etc etc. He didn't go that far - probably after his lawyer(s) berated him for what he already did.

It's all BS anyway. Many of these starving artists will get down on their knees for even a minor role in a movie or get into some rappers video in the hopes that it will launch their careers. Then 20 years pass, a few are all famous and wealthy now, but they'll bring up some bogus things that occurred decades ago bc they gave some old producer or director a BJ in the hopes of getting work. If he legitimately forced himself upon a woman she would've ran to the hospital and police right away as real rape victims tend to do. One will talk and then suddenly 2 dozen more say 'oh ya me too!!! he raped me too!! 20 years ago i swear it!! Happens every time - Cosby, Clinton, Trump, Jackson, etc. In some cases though even if 1/10 of the allegations were true it's still shocking. Nonetheless, that's why we have a statute of limitations. I'm not sure what the statute of limitations is for each jurisdiction where these alleged assaults took place, but I'm sure a good portion of them are beyond the it hence no charges can be brought. In those cases he can apologize all he wants and if he really is trying to be the good guy now he'll make amends, pay them, or do whatever reasonable the victims ask.

Yes; however, adopting the best legal position is not always the right thing to do. For example the car companies who assess the cost of paying out in court when faulty cars kill people and balance that against the cost of doing a recall. They adopt the optimal legal and financial position but still as morally wrong as can be. Weinstein, although a scumbag, hasn't done that.


Come on then jimmy, go for it: how are you going to follow your vile lie that I'm a rapist? Perhaps you'd like to double down by upping your claim about forcibly sodomizing people to involve children? Then I can ask you to support your claim with quotes while at the same time giving quotes in which you talk about "Oh just the thought of it is a sin !" with regard to the "racing hormones" of pre-pubescent girls and your unpleasant desires to "treat" children in the developing world.

Weinstein is a scumbag but at least he's not (as far as we know) been fantasizing about grooming poverty-stricken children.

Of course not. However, if everyone did the 'right thing' at all times everyone would be as we say in Polish 'goly I wesoly' - naked and happy.


Weinstein said committed 'inappropriate actions' which is very vague. Everyone's committed an 'inappropriate action.' Honking at the fat girl putting on make up driving 10 below the speed limit on my way to work and flipping her off was an 'inappropriate action' Even with that little comment which will of course be interpreted by prosecutors to be relevant to the case, he and his lawyers have since issued denial after denial. He took a baby step towards the 'right thing' then took 3 steps back and protected himself legally, most likely with his lawyers advice.

Naw I realize that you went on quite a bender last night a have a pounding headache from hell today and that is why you are being such an a-hole.

I have reported you at least six times now for you trying to hijack my thread and the Mods are allowing you to continue for some reason.

I choose to just sit back until you get your next suspension which most likely will be a lengthy one this time.
NOW can we get back on topic and stay on topic please.

Weinstein's just the tip of the iceberg, gang! Like vermin, the stories will probably never stop, the rumor mills never quit churning stuff out for the tabloids, and the number of similar creepy sorts never be prevented from coming out of the woodwork!

Yep, I was just reading about how scummy Steven Segal is........ yahoo.com/news/off-dress-men-hollywood-steven-202021745.html


Sure, he will have the best lawyers money can buy. So far there are 27 women that have come forward, these all potential witnesses.

If O.J. could get away with murder and if the trial is held in California, who knows what kind of a circus it will turn into?

@Joker

Steven segal is one of a kind man that guy cracks me up. He is a bit of a scum bag tho lol but who cares we all are in one form or another.

I just wonder where the trial will be help. Its such bs they should exclude women claiming rape who have never made a report and their claims are beyond the statute of limitations. It will be a circus that's for sure. I think he may have better luck with a bench trial than a jury but who knows what this will turn into. Its all bs if you took out the women who willingly got on their knees to get a part to in a movie and those who's claim is beyond a 3-10 year statute of limitations thered be none left. I kind of feel sorry for these guys BC okay say they in fact maybe did something inappropriate once or twice decades ago. Well why wasn't he arrested then? Why wasn't he charged with sexual assault some 20 times if in fact these women's claims are true? This bs happens all the time. One woman accuses one rich famous dude and then suddenly dozens more come out of the woodwork. If I were him I'd be on my knees at the local Israeli embassy

Wolves like Weinstein have been around for as long as the movie business has existed. Only difference between then and now is that now, we don't keep it under wraps as much.

And will continue to exist...


And more women are claiming rapes that allegedly occurred decades ago despite the woman having no police report, hospital report, no charges filed, etc. Idk about you, but if I was a woman and a guy raped me I'd report it asap and want the guy in prison.

We have long since spun out of control, haven't we. Admittedly, much is true in nearly all allegations, yet, as with the DSK (Dominique Strauss-Kahn) affair in New York some years back, "victims" may well have exaggerated a bit in order to gain both publicity and money, you know!

Rarely have I read of a similar claim by an average woman against another average Joe WITHOUT the fame and fortune of a Harvey Weinstein.

Pause for some thought, isn't it (at the risk of sounding cynical).

Hey, each to there own.

He's going to be raped by random women and he will have no control over it. Revenge is sweet.