Kids raised without fathers are 20 x more likely to end up in jail-NAACP

Indeed, but welfare cheats should be stigmatised with all severity. They are robbing taxpayers to bankroll their sloth, addictions and promiscuity. There is loads of work to be done -- street and park maintenance, to mention just one area.
The elderly should be cared for by their families. Aren't kids taught that at school?

"Able-bodied recipients getting payouts just because they're alive should be obliged to join a massive slum clean-up, paint-up fix-up campaign"

I see no reason why they shouldn't ,they would be learning new skills along the way, one week slum clearance the next week they could start their own garden cleanup business.

If that's the case, then why all ther fuss about future generations' OAP payouts, that there won't be enough money to go round, bla-bla...

"' OAP payouts, that there won't be enough mney to go round, bla-bla"

There is no get up and go work ethic among the young of today, too easy for them to take the overly generous handout path.

Sad as it may sound, even I got offered a job today (politely declined), the jobs are out there.

There's a huge work ethic among most of the young. Interestingly, the latest figures (as of today) show that millenials are the first generation to earn less than their parents.

And yes, some women choose to bring up their kids alone and others do it without choosing. It's one of the duties incumbent on society to ensure that those kids have the same start in life as any other.


Same here. I wonder if that means I have no work ethic.

"millenials are the first generation to earn less than their parents."

Proves my point no work ethic.

"And yes, some women choose to bring up their kids alone and others do it without choosing. It's one of the duties incumbent on society to ensure that those kids have the same start in life as any other."

Where did that comment come from? remember my point about removing benefits from those who do not need them, also my point about focusing those savings towards the needy , child support in particular.

"Same here. I wonder if that means I have no work ethic."

Silly billy you don't need a job same as I don't and neither of us are on benefits.

No it doesn't - the figures are about salary levels.


The thread is about single parent-families.


Indeed, however having paid into the system for years I would certainly be entitled to them if my assets wee below a certain level. That is why benefits exist.

Have you heard about the concept of a national basic income? Finland is going to introduce this.

"The thread is about single parent-families.", good point and they deserve support.
Runaway partners need to be chased down and made to pay their dues if they are able.

"concept of a national basic income? "

Great in principle but it would be a skivers charter to do the minimum and then get topped up to a skivers income.

I am more of a believer in the living wage where people have a real incentive to go out to work.

So where did parents, the school. Church, media and entertainment industry go wrong? Who has failed to project positive role models and the work ethic. Remember: we are all born tabula rasa (although genetics also have some imput).
When there's problem, opne should get top the bottom of it and the seek a solution. Defending a negative status quo harms individuals, families and the community at large.

I wonder about that too.


Me too, however there's a struggle even to make that work. Somehow Germany does OK; they must be doing something right.

The important thing is that we can't ever moralise; it gets nowhere and that the days when a woman needed a male partner for financial security and social 'respectability' are long gone.

"When there's problem,"

I don't know pol, its bad and getting worse ,we could harp back to church and family but I don't think people care anymore nowadays

Luke 21:32. Depending how we are prepared to intemperate it.

" Germany does OK; they must be doing something right."

Then we must do it.

"woman needed a male partner for financial security and social 'respectability' are long gone."

But that's no excuse for a child deserting sh$t to avoid his financial responsibilities.

That is the crux of the matter. Why? Who or what has programmed them not to care about important things? What then do they fill their little brains with instead?

Because it's still not high enough I think. In the UK it's £7.20 ph but that's if you're over 25. Cost of living is going up faster than wages.


Well I'm glad at least one person appears to be looking at the bigger picture because the way the OP rants on, single mothers are entirely to blame for the circumstances they find themselves in.

Basically they don't moralise about the way people lead their lives however they have an excellent (and very expensive) education system as well as expectations about how people bring up their kids. Yes, some families do slip through the net however society as a whole takes a much more 'joined-up' approach to child development. It does however cost money and the Tories in the UK, the Republicans in the US and PiS/PO/Petru here would consider it 'big government'.


Indeed. 'Deadbeat Dads' if they can't/won't be present in the kids' lives or if the mother doesn't want them, should still have to pay. In Poland, it's taken seriously and in the UK too, sometimes to the pint of overkill where it's actually incumbent on a man to prove to the CSA that he isn't the biological father if a woman has claimed he is.

Precisely. The big picture encompasses not only unwed mothers but many other types of undesirable behaviour: footloose daddies that plant their seed and split; women who seduce much older men because of their wealth; shoplifters, pickpockets, vandals et al.
Again the key question is: who or what inspried them to emulate such behaviour?

But the day when kids needed the security of both a mother and father image and role model remains relevant to this day. Having the input of only one parent, however kind and caring, in general is a disabling experience to youngsters. Sure anecdotal exceptions can occur ("I was raised by just my dad, mum, gran, aunt etc., and I didn't turn out too bad"), but does not change the time-honoured rule. In Catholic schools kids are taught: The family that prays together stays together!