Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

People are people, everywhere!


theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/people-leaving-russia-ukraine-war

Growing numbers of Russians are leaving the country, fearful of possible martial law and the war's consequences..


aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/we-are-refugees-russians-flee-rising-authoritarianism

Public figures and critical Russians flock to the Baltic states, Georgia, Armenia and Turkey amid the war on Ukraine.....


nytimes.com/2022/03/11/us/russians-ukrainians-us-border.html


bbc.com/news/world-europe-60697763

People deciding with their feet....when they can!

Nobody wants to go to Russia....who can leaves....that should tell you the truth about Putinistan!

@Bobko
And you should be shot for calling the man who brought hope to Russia a traitor. Without him, Russia would have been completely destroyed 30 years ago. Now, its time to play catch up. Putin is a traitor to the Russian people. I guarantee you arent talking this way in public in NY, you would be in the hospital.

@PolAmKrakow

I am talking this way in public, and I meet many people that agree with me. Not ethnic Russians. No one has needed to call an ambulance - myself or another person. Americans, by and large, are kind people, open to hearing opposing viewpoints.


We are the Horde. Savages. Beasts. What do you expect?

Possibly. They both seem to be intelligent men.


Of course! It makes sense now. I get it. I really do.

I tried to argue with Turks once on a Turkish forum - it's exactly the same attitude. My mistake in the current situation was to think about Russians in more European terms, completely forgetting that you are a Turanian civilization, as Feliks Koneczny had already explained to us long time ago.

Thanks, Bobko. Sometimes we miss the most obvious explanations.

Germans still have a kind of a love relationship with Gorbachov....we mourned Raissa as if she had been one of us...believe it or not!

Biiiiiiiiiiig mistake.

@Bobko
Say what you want, I know better. NY people do not take nicely to terrorists or those who threaten the American way of life. You represent both at this time. I promise if you went to say the Atlantic Beach area, you would not talk this way and escape without some problems. I know NYC, Manhattan, LI, Brooklyn, Bronx and SI very very well. A Russian talking the way you are here, with a Russian accent, would be in deep $hi* pretty quickly.

That's exactly the tripwire I am talking about. The US was beyond stupid to get itself into that kind of predicament with a bunch of yapping little poodles that are brave because they know there is a big dog close by.


That would be a net loss to the US as opposed to the Polish house cleaning visa overstayers.



You are just another dumb Polak. That's a lot worse because it's permanent and there is no cure for it.

for the life of me I don't understand why Russia hasn't cut them off

Banning Russian oil imports would grind Germany to a halt, minister warns

Germany depends on Russian energy, and will not follow US and UK in banning imports, top diplomat says



German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on Tuesday that her country would "not be able to move" without Russian oil imports. While the UK and US announced they would cease buying Moscow's oil, Germany is too reliant to quit.

rt.com/news/551505-germany-russia-oil-imports/

....yeah....well.....it's still in discussion as we speak.....the pressure to do something grows by the day......

How did Germany become such a weak link against Putin? Does it rhyme maybe with..... Berkel?

Germany has lost so much of the hard won prestige it thought it had by its craven behavior toward Russia and Putin...

Sorry, I missed this. What kind of a masochist is grateful to a guy that split your country into 15 pieces leaving 30 million plus of your compatriots stranded in a suddenly foreign land? A foreign land, where in many cases they get the legal status of a second class citizen (Baltostan), discriminated against on a language and racial basis. Should I be grateful that he took a country that was either in second or third place by GDP in 1990 (as hard as things were going then), and knocked it out of the top ten? Should I be grateful that he gave away Eastern Europe without asking for so much as membership for us in return?

Today you are saying I should be shot. I think even the poor Japanese that lived in internment camps in the 1940s did not face the prospect of being shot. We Russians must really be subhuman beasts.

And before her...Schröder!

I so hope there will be an official investigation and both get convicted as "traitor on the german people"!

This total dependence happened under both their watch....and especially Schröder still profits from the sellout of his country....

When Germans make nice with Russia.... other countries suffer. When will Germany learn?


Why is he not awaiting trial?


I would love to see a happy, prosperous and free Russia (putting its human potential to non-violent ends could change the world in a great way! I would love to see a Russia that felt no need to invade its neighbors. But most the Russian public seems to want misery and violence and to worship the Tsar.... you can take serfdom off the law books, but you can't take it out of people's hearts....

Ridiculous. Russia as gas supplier had the backing of the entire German political systems, with the exception of maybe the Green party. Kinda difficult to condemn an individual when you have ministers of the CDU, SPD and FDP in addition to opposition parties (AfD and Left party) and minister presidents from Western Pomerania to Bavaria actively supporting those projects. Remember all those arguments in favour of this, some of which we also brought forward in defence of the project on this very forum. It is now easy to point the finger on individuals when Germany as a society refused to see reality regarding Putin.


The last two times we did this (Brandts' Ostpolitik and German reunification) Europe benefited massively from this. And unlike previous times when it did backfire, this was not done by malicious design but by Russia not acting rationally. Unfortunate and preventable, but not by design.

For that we have an independent justice system....or at least we should have!

That even if the whole ruling baggage was behind it they shouldn't be able to stop justice!

It can't be that these people led us into this malaise and they have nothing to fear....what is that for a sign? Are we not a democracy anymore? But rather also a kleptocracy where those in power can do what they want?

That's your problem right there!


regarding Russia... Putin is a symptom, not the disease.

I have hated Merkel already for years....PFers are my witnesses!

My old rule - she was in office for far too long (should have been replaced around 2014 or so....)

And I have admired her for many years, but that does not change the argument.

We both have advocated for NSII all those years. Claiming now that one or two politicians are traitors when they did what we wanted is hardly resonable.


That would not have changed anything regarding NSII, and Europe was very lucky that she was still chancellor during the Trump years and Covid. Without her leadership, we would not have seen even the weak response the West gave Putin after Crimea.

They should have known better than us...it's their job, they get paid for that!

Perfect German reasoning for once.

Now Gorbachev in this sense has full qualifications for traitor.

How is that cowardly rat ( his nickname) your call your leader doing? Hidding well?


Aslo he was the one that helped develop German military, supply resources and was Hitler friend for the first three years of the war.


I understand you live in NY. It is a good idea that all Russian should be deported. I'm pretty sure you lie that you are against Putin and the war.

Yes, it is hurtful to you to read the truth about your masters, huh? How did they buy you? Money or blackmail? Coz I don`t believe you are doing it out of conviction. You used to be a decent Pole once , now you are a sad converted troll aiming at weakening our morale. Bugger off!

Where did I say I am against Putin and the special military operation?

Sure, but there are limits to what an individual can do within our democratic system. Merkel was one of the few German politicians who had not illusions about him, but she thought that he was ultimately a rational man capable of being reasoned with. Again, everyone wanted NSII.


I pity Gorbachev. He inherited a rotting Empire that was well beyond saving when he came to power. At least he buried it without excessive bloodshed, something unusual in history. If you want to blame Soviet politicians, blame Breznew to Andropow for having let it decay that much.

Peace for our time.

lol he is another millioner like you a fat troll lol! He is a NY taxi driver lol! hey but at least he has a job and is not on a welfare check like you.


Look they are greedy and arogant you know, Germans are prone to. Putin lured them with a cheap gas and that in turn allowed them to make bigger profit and to play with all green energy toys.

Asko toying with the idea of German EU working hand in hand with Russia without USA to keep you in check.
Arogance that your downfall. You shoudl ask anybody who understand Russia like Poles but they are rusophobes as your Russian KGB friends told you. lol!

I just hope you will cut off that pipe and come back to your senses.

You only pretend you are calling for it. Actually, you are constantly suggesting the West has done nothing, it is impotent and Ukraine is lost.


No, primarily weakening their morale and undermining the will to resist savages.


They are starting to but still are not sure what to think about it coz you are a clever troll who knows how to go undetected. Your camouflage for your mission here was fantastic, I must admit, very intelligent, indeed. But there is always an end to all trolling. Sooner or later they are disclosed like rabbits pulled by their ears from the hat. Ha!

Would these Polish volunteers ride together with their Ukrop "allies" in the Banderomobile:



This is allegedly Poroshenko's action to raise the morale of the UA army and it is called - the Banderomobile. Such things go directly into the hands of the Russians, at least for domestic use.