Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Even typically russophile French seem to have finally understand that Putin's Russia is the sick man of Europe and that Russia in her current incarnation IS the crisis. Nice, warm and fuzzy Yeltsin's Russia that wanted to join NATO was perfectly acceptable for the rest of the Europe, but Putin's belligerent "we're gonna nuke you!" version isn't. And since it turned out that once again we're dealing with a a giant with the feet of clay, people in charge might already be looking for a hammer.

Send the Kiev jews the flying shitbox F-35, the so-called "Lightning II." It has the amazing ability to shoot itself down.

Meanwhile the Russian air force has a great attack plane, the Su-25, that can take a missile hit and keep flying.

youtu.be/C0TIDaU2MsI

How many Su-25s took a missile hit and weren`t able to keep flying? Judging by the reports from Ukraine, quite a few. :):)

This is getting too surreal...With Russia in NATO, what's NATO's mission? Marsians?

Yeah, straight into the ground.... LOL!!!!!

Has Olga Tokariuk been reading Novi "Tokyo Rose" Chok?

On the impossibility of surrender...

twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1503109637628960771

youtu.be/hlE89-zDfxw

If 🇺🇸 Wakanda 🇺🇸 tries to impose its will upon Russia, by non-nuclear means, the Russian armed forces will destroy every NATO installation in Poland and Germany. It will be Pearl Harbor but including the Enterprise, Lexington, Hornet and Wasp.

I am convinced that the political leadership of Central European nations understand this far better than America's ruling kike elite, much less stupid and servile lackeys like Joe Biden or Lindsey Graham.

Serbia is the only country in Europe which, despite enormous pressure, refused to join anti-Russian sanctions other than Belarus. It means Serbia is the last independent country in Europe.

youtu.be/MJ660uegSvQ

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Pentagon reiterates that every country in NATO will respond to Russia if Poland gets attacked by Russia.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/pentagon-says-an-armed-attack-against-one-is-considered-an-armed-attack-against-all-if-russian-forces-strike-in-poland/ar-AAV0r2K?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

I dont think Biden will actually do anything at all. He tried talking Obama out of killing Bin Laden. Hes the Neville Chamberlin of our times.

We should call him " the stomach" because everything he touches turns to $hit. He rather make deals with our enemies for their oil instead of pumping our own.

November 4th cant come soon enough!

Be careful, Joker. There are senile but vicious posters here who will call you a "pro-Putin troll" for writing things like that. :)

But, of course, it all depends what is meant by "every NATO country will respond". They can respond with sending humanitarian help, they can respond with accepting Polish refugees, they can respond with threatening to lower their diplomatic relations status with Russia etc. etc. However, risking an all-out (possibly nuclear) war with Russia is a completely different matter.

Sorry, I somehow missed your post #1838407.


How can that ever be possible with one of the lowest population growths (it's actually not a growth but a decrease) in the world, despite a sizeable muslim population? Russian women would seem to simply refuse to bear children in your country, and your abortion rate is the highest in the world. An empire of aging and dying out population who kills their own children in their mother's wombs? That would be highly unusual (to put it very mildly).


Why then all your former "friends and allies" took the first opportunity to break any ties with you and don't want to have anything to do with you ever again? It's a valid question, isn't it?

@GefreiterKania
On the aussie forum , i've been asked to supply a source for your statement that "Why are all the trucks with European goods rolling from Germany and France to Russia through Poland " Got one for me? :) Of course I agree that trade is going thru belarus but if u have a link that would be handy.

@Bobko
This is where your typical Russian thinking is completely flawed. You talk about GDP of Russia in 1990? Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and all the other countries that are now free countries were never Russian! Russia enslaved free nations, and that GDP was not yours, you stole it from people that were used as slave labor. Your $hiTTy country is nothing on its own because it is nothing.

Yes. People would rather die than return to that way of life because your way of life sucks. Thats exactly why you are in NY. If it was so great in Russia, just leave. But you wont leave. None of you would give up the comforts of the west to go and fight for what you believe. None of you would have the freedom to support the USA if you lived in Russia because you could go to prison for doing just what you do now about Russia, expressing your opinions. Your country is a $hi* hole and thats why you left.

Stop all the BS talk about internment camps, Japan, bla bla bla. This is 2022. Mother Russia? Fing joke is more like it.

@amiga500

Do you watch Polish TV? It has been mentioned by politicians of major parties many times. I can look for a link later, have to go to work now.

My guess is that you were thinking that or maybe even writing that at the beginning of the Russian invasion. Probably many people thought (including me) that the West (not only Biden) won't do anything. But Ukrainians turned out to be very brave people ready to fight for their country and the West clearly changed their mind and started doing something.

Also, don't forget that the US is a democracy and the US president has to think not only about the public opinion (would ordinary American people be ready to abandon Poland or the Baltic states in the time of need?), but he also has advisors around him and from what I can see he's listening to them.


I don't think you're a pro-Putin troll, but at the same time I do think you can get emotional like a child and that you're spreading defeatism. I think you are a pessimist, not a realist. I am not such an emotional hurra-optimist like PolAmKrakow is (or pawian even), but I'm also not such a pessimist like you are. I'd say I'm the realist here lol :))


fb.watch/bKyfscnxMn/

This guy is a Polish journalist (from TVN) and he's showing here a video of a group of Poles who saw those trucks with Russian and Belarusian plates crossing the Polish-Belarusian border. Those Poles asked the drivers what they're transporting - some said in Russian that it's a "military secret" and other drivers said openly that they're transporting food, medical supplies and spare parts.

@amiga500

Turn on TVN24 now - they are just talking about protests on Polish-Belarussian border against transporting goods to Russia.

@paulina @GefreiterKania
Thank you for the info. very helpfull.

@Crnogorac3
And WTF does Serbia have to offer Russia that will offset losses from the rest of the worlds sanctions? Maybe some discounted vacation? LOL Maybe dinner with Crow?

You're welcome :)

Here's a good interview, imho, about what Russians wanted to achieve by attacking that base near Polish border and what they're trying to achieve with their threats - they want to stop the West from aiding Ukraine and they will say anything to do that and so we shouldn't give in to those threats and be careful about Russian disinformation:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/bezprecedensowy-atak-rosji-w-okolicach-lwowa-ekspert-o-eskalacji-wojny-dezinformacyjnej-6746892099177056a

Why thank you Paulina! I am not a camel either. ;)


Well, forgive me if I am a bit emotional if children and women die, and we respond with temporary closure of PizzaHut!

*OK, I can sometimes exaggerate things a bit - but it's for good purpose :)*


Hey, if that's what's needed to wake up the West from its self-complacent slumber, then you can always count on some healthy moaning and defeatism from me! :)

OK, jokes aside, read carefully what Velund and Bobko are posting here and try to sift valuable information from Kremlin propaganda. For example: yesterday Bobko admitted (what we already knew but have forgotten) that Russians are a country belonging to Turanian civilisation - mongols in simpler terms; and in dealing with mongols it is vital to be firm and not try to treat them as Europeans (a huge mistake, that I admit to making initially). That's why plastic sanctions, without full SWIFT ban, wider trade ban and harsher diplomatic actions will achieve nothing. Mongols will take it as a sign of weakness. Unfortunately, that's exactly what's happening at the moment. Russia is getting more impudent and the West doesn't seem to be willing to introduce these harsher sanctions and diplomatic actions.

You're right. One of those former oligarch chaps says that you have to block every penny 100%. He says it's the only thing that will stop the war.

youtube.com/watch?v=kVZzznCmF-Q

I usually am, unfortunately. :-/

But who knows, maybe this time it will be different. Maybe this time common decency, common sense, and the lessons we learnt from history will tip the scales towards the forces of Good before Evil does too much damage.

*fingers crossed*

@GefreiterKania, I can forgive your childish feet stomping and unobjective assessment, because, fortunately, you're not in charge of anything :)

You seem to be forgetting that Ukraine is not in NATO, so the situation of Ukraine and Poland and the Baltics is not comparable. Ukraine isn't formally our ally, so the West is doing a lot anyway. Much more than they used to. They're doing it not because they're obliged to due being in alliance with Ukraine, but out of basic human decency and compassion (and because of the pressure of their societies).

Also, getting all those economic ties with Russia that were being built for years severed won't happen over night. Germany can't put their economy to a full stop, because we don't know how long this war will last and ordinary people may rebel against supporting Ukraine if their situation turn dire. It will take time to get those ties severed, but let us hope it will happen. And let us pressure the politicians and companies so they would really make it happen.


The problem is that I don't think you're being objective and realistic.


I don't even have to read what Bobko and Velund are writing, because I know what they're going to write. I've read the same crap from other pro-Putin Russians in the past. They're sociopathic (or maybe even psychopathic) imperialists at heart.

Do you remember how you asked Velund why Russia is like this and not like that, why Russians are doing this and not that? I told you that Velund will blame everything (or almost everything) on the West. And Bobko did. They don't take responsibility for anything and blame everything on everyone else. That's their mentality, I'm afraid.


I understand your emotions, but such behaviour just makes look immature, hysterical and not objective. Sorry, but that's my honest opinion.

I don't have to be - I'm not in charge of anything. :)


Amen!


No problem. It's been a long time since I stopped caring what online people think of online me. :)

@Paulina

Why didn't you say that when Russian civilians in Donbass were killed (roughly like the Serbs in Kosovo). So in your opinion, Russia should have left its people at the mercy of the Ukrainian neo-nazis? If you don't know something, you better not embarrass yourself by blabbering on.

disk.yandex.com/i/j7Acuhl3E6dHFg

Putin is doing everything right. It's not his fault that governments of certain countries did not adequately prepare for a crisis and now the price of petrol, gas and electricity bills will go through the roof.

So Serbs in Kosovo were shipped in by the Sarbian government to terrorize the local population? Good to know.


For a Serbo-nazi targetting civilians and civilian infrastructure is "doing everything right"....

An example of "everything right"

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1503242331583094786

What?


Putin not only started this conflict but also fueled it for 8 years! In my opinion that cynical bastard has the blood of those Russians on his hands.


No, he isn't. He's doing everything wrong.

Seen the photos of chaos at Russian supermarkets at the weekend and it is both tragic and hilarious.

Tragic for the vast majority of decent Russians but hilarious for those who are paid to abuse and insult people who hopefully spent a lot of their free time arguing about how many packets of tea they could have - then went back for a Dominos and a Netflix to chill out.

5 km line of Ukrainian refugees to the Polish border:

fb.watch/bKFRUx2zTD/

@Cojestdocholery, do you still think I'm "stupid"?

This is 21st century in Europe, people.

Polish refugees in 1939: