Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

It is funny how you smoothly move from your Russian acquiantances` lack of understanding of Putin`s motives to


"aggressive" acts by "hostile" USA.

Why don`t you directly suggest that Russia is like a cute bear cub chased by cruel bloodthirsty wolves from NATO. hahahaha

@pawian
"Or bringers of world peace and stability, liberation of everyone, progress and prosperity included!"

You know a good joke?
"Russia is a pacifist country"

And I won't change my mind about it until a top Polish politician can safely take a sip of tea while being at the Kremlin without fear or worry about being poisoned, thrown into jail or sent into siberia.

So, top Polish politicians is out of luck, forever. They will imagine zillions of things that Russians can do with their poor *******, and live in fear till the last second. Then die from natural cause in a deep frustration, thinking that life was spent for nothing. ;)

@Velund
Then any Polish-Russian reconciliation is forever impossible on a state level. Simple

It is impossible to prove that you are not going to do something that is born every second in the inflamed brain of a paranoid man who expects an attack from any direction and in any way he can imagine. Or pretends to expect, in public. That's why it's easier to leave it as it is.

The problem is different - Polish (and Baltic) politicians are not thinking about the interests of their voters. Almost every interview I read includes "Euro-Atlantic solidarity" and other things that boil down to a simple thing - they trade in Russophobia and for them the more rumors about bloodthirsty Russia, the more profitable their shop is. Deal with them about peace is like to appoint drug dealer to position of narcotics control police boss.

@Velund
Paranoia is unwarrented fears, simply by looking at the size of the country. It is warrented, and that's while ignoring all the bloody history of conquests and expansion.

Cannons used at a Polish, parlament, prisoners tortured, murdered throughout ages just to prove a point and instill fear.

Well you got it, you made your bed. Live with it

So, Russia is guilty just because it exist, it is big and powerful.

Can you tell whose monument this is and why this man was consecrated a saint by the Orthodox Church?

Guilty of what? The Russian state has always been aggressively expansionist... it has never been a good neighbor to.... any other country?

Well, we just rembeber Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia so well yeah to an unskilled observer Russia looks like a militaristic, expansionist country

and if you support a theorized invasion of Ukraine by Russia then you are a barbarian to my Polish eyes

@pawian
Actually Russian business associates I have know for nearly 20 years. They don't understand why Putin wants Ukraine other than to try to recreate USSR his way. All ego. Russia can be manipulated like any other country including the USA.

Russia has a separationist ruler, an isolationist with expansion dreams. They are a little bear and they can not survive that mentality. Its been done rather unsuccessfully already. Your holier than thou speech is boring lately. Go revive some more dead posts.

He's more like an open border globalist... he opened the door to central Asia and now a very significant percentage of children in Moscow don't speak Russian at home (not to mention ongoing Chinese settlement in Sibera).

He does have his limits and those who criticize either of those policies tend to find themselves 'falling' out of windows and landing in the middle of the street....

I would be happy to tell them why Putin wants Ukraine. Putin wants Ukraine because the snake aka NATO aka the US said that they cannot promise that Ukraine will not become part of that snake. Putin asked for a promise and the snake said no. Nothing to do with ego.

If the roles were reversed, the US would risk it all. Funny, it already happened in Cuba in 1962 when the world stopped breathing for a while.


Russia has elections, parliament, and the Supreme Court. The US has elections, parliament, and the Supreme Court. But Russia has a ruler and the US is ruler-free. Right?

Would you settle for the US swamp and the gray suits that rule from behind the US puppets aka the US presidents?
Just curious...which one is better? Ruler or puppet?

Russia has a facade democracy, most probably with rigged elections, fake parliament and a Supreme Court subservient to Putin and his gang of oligarchs (look up recent Navalny case) - any real democratic opposition is promptly delegalized in Russia

amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3166159/xi-jinping-has-high-hopes-poland-could-it-be-gateway-europe

Interesting news, we will see if it changes anything

@Novichok
Really January 6th? LMFAO not another conspiracy theory. And Russia is nothing more than a Democracy in name, its a joke.

That said, the US under the current leadership, last three presidents, is also a joke. The Senate, Congress and all of the leaders are nothing but power hungry criminals. How is that for my opinion?

Russia asked, and NATO said no. So Russia wants to grab Ukraine and bring NATO right to its new border? Does not make sense. It is nothing more than wanting a return to old ways that proved to fail even greater than the new ways are failing.

yeah a true DINO :P


I truely believed that the last presidential elections were rigged - the thing is even Republican politicians (including state governors) and observers haven't found any singinificant proof they were - I changed my mind about the whole thing simply - I say that as someone who truely welcomed Trump as president because of his European policies (especially policies towards Poland) - the thing is Poles are not to choose presidents for Americans

You can exactly the same about Russia... Muscovites don't want them but Putin has brought them in anyway.... combined with the abysmal fertility rates of ethnic Russians.... it's almost as if he were replacing Russians... a kind of great replacement..... as it were....

But again... people in Russia who talk about that tend to find themselves dead in peculirar circumstances....

Name one. I mean name, not bs. And don't forget to connect it to Putin.
I am assuming that falling off a balcony is much worse than committing suicide in a fed lockup.


I never claimed that Russia is a model of Swiss referendum-based "democracy". What I see here are attempts to compare Russia to an ideal found only in Civics 101 and claims how awful Russia is - with the implication that it is unique to Russia.

BTW, whataboutism is a legitimate method used in debates and in law so don't go there. Absolute standards of good behavior don't exist.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10348293/Founder-Russian-nationalist-blog-falls-death-Moscow-window.html

you can believe in coincidences or.... you can make a logical assumption that the government was involved....


Defend what Putin does without recourse to references to the US or NATO...

No lawyer ever defends his client without first reading the charges and reviewing the evidence.


You mean like when John Kennedy got shot?

Yes.

The US has made grave mistakes, but unlike Russia has mostly tried to correct and learn from them. Almost no other country (certainly no great power) has tried to improve itself as much.

Russia has never learned from the mistakes of its past and simply repeats them over and over, monkey see, monkey forever and ever do....

One of the great problems of Russian history - it's repeatedly longed for the material wealth that western culture has produced without ever really understanding the processes that produce them (or being willing or able to learn) and this has led to.... bad things. Early Soviet industrial policy wasn't much different from cargo cults....

Ukrainians have learned the dangerous (but valuable) less that they can stand up against an unjust government (Russians still haven't and will not for the foreseeable future).

Russia doesn't even understand the concept, it's despotic authoritarianism all the way down...

BS1. After Vietnam, the US happily went to Iraq and Afghanistan where they blew 5 trillion and got zero in return. Actually, only a moron would turn two mortal enemies like Iran and Iraq into semi-friends. And then those pictures of the chopper lifting off the roof in Saigon... and the last plane leaving Kabul. Is this your definition of "learning"?


BS2. Russia learned from the lesson called Afghanistan and didn't repeat it. We repeated Vietnam.


BS3. They didn't fire a shot in Crimea. Smart.


BS4. Russia is 140 million people, cities, rivers, lakes, and mountains. Could you be a bit more specific? And also explain how you got that information.

Your values are far more Russian than American... if I believed your story (which I don't) I'd say you got on the wrong train back in the 1960s....

@Novichok
Trump lost by over 6 million votes. Not enough dead people to add up to 6 million. How many Chicago politicians were elected by dead voters? lol

Putin though, we can agree on he is a strong leader. Ukraine raiding though is simply stupid. He will have his own country destroyed financially in 30 days if it happens. The conditions in Russia are abysmal already if you are not in the mafia or an oligarch. I have Russians begging me for work and to get a visa to Poland.

Strong leadership does not mean intelligent leadership, and I will use Trump as an example on that. Strong and stupid who will likely need a presidential pardon for destroying documents among other things before this is over. All Trump had to do was control his emotions and the Dem idiots wouldnt have turned out in such crazy high numbers. Just a little self control and he would have won, but he couldnt do it for even a few weeks.

Stick to the topic of the thread please, it is not about past USA elections

I read a comment somehwere by a Belarusian in Poland who liked that he felt that his money was _his_ in Poland and not liable to be taken by the government or oligarchs...

Similarly more Russians move to Poland than go the other direction. For them Poland is the West with a less toxic social and work culture....

I got it. Putin is strong and stupid.

Is that not what Kremil claims all the time? Big bad NATO is after them!
Oh don't tell me they lie to justfiy their aggression..

....dangerous mix.....for the neighbours! But in the end also for his own people.

He was seen as defender of the Orthodox Church, stood against Polish King becoming a Car or Russia.
Saint Hermogen, (patriarch Moskowskij i wsieja Rusi czudotworiec). Died while in Polish hands.

Funny that your answer hovered only around Russia, completely missing the other part of your post which I laughed at: namely, the "aggressive," "militaristic" and "warmongering" attitude of the USA. You certainly know how to omit inconvenient explanation. But I am here to remind you to do it. :):):)


I will, darling, when I finish with you. hahahaha