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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



pawian
17 Mar 2022  #5671

Russians are apparently retreating to Moscow.

Hundreds of them retreat to RuSSia as ashes from cremated bodies every week. RuSSian logistic is unable to deliver them in a proper way in body bags, so they burn them in mobile furnaces near the front and only then send the ashes to families. Naturally, families get random ashes. Nobody cares about such details.

This is RuSSia after all.

Crow
17 Mar 2022  #5672

what blitzkrieg? Story of a blitzkrieg is war-propaganda by NATO and EU in itself.

Operation will last as long as it suits Russia. You know, there are political, economical and military aspects of it. Longer operation, longer political mobilization of the EU, USA, etc. Entire world polarize. Then economic development. Get rid of petro-dollar in Russia, China, Iran, Saudies, etc, etc. Printing of more euros and dollars. Fear, insecurity, etc. Military aspects? Longer the war, more nazis gather and die. Longer the war, more world meridians are involved and purify from nazis. Suffering of civilians? Well, their blood is on the hands of Vatican, NATO and EU leading powers. Just. Just don`t think civilians of western Europe and USA won`t suffer. They will and they suffer already.

No, my dear. This will go for months. Years if necessary. Welcome to the world of pain.

GefreiterKania
17 Mar 2022  #5673

@Pawian

That's why the entire world rightly considers them despicable war criminals. In the long run this will cost them much more than the losses of their joke of an army.

@PolAmKrakow

And this is only the beginning. They think it's difficult now? Let's see what they say in 3 more weeks... or 3 months, or 3 years. Welcome to the world of pain (and sh*t sandwiches).

@Crow

Serbian troll, idi na hui. :)

Crow
17 Mar 2022  #5674

Story of a blitzkrieg is invented so after few days NATO can start speak of Russian failure. Its the matter of moral. Good propaganda school. All crumble around them and you tell your populace to endure because,.. `hey look, Russians losing momentum, they are weak, we shall prevail`.

Forget it people. What goes to you will come to you. Even on this forum, many here in this thread talk like a true nazis. So, see, you all need re-education and this will last.

Serbian troll

Poland is with Serbs.

GefreiterKania
17 Mar 2022  #5675

It was definitely supposed to be a blitzkrieg. Remember the leaked "victory message"? :) The SpecNaz (SpecialNazi) forced that landed in Kiev airport but were wiped out were a part of the blitzkrieg plan.

I think in the Polish language "Russian blitzkrieg" will enter everyday speech like "Russian month" (ruski miesiąc). :D

PolAmKrakow
17 Mar 2022  #5676

@Crow
It must be difficult trying to talk with intelligent people here who express well thought out opinions. I am sure what ever medication you are on does not give you enough focus to understand that when your side, the Russians, is losing because more soldiers are getting killed than the other side, Ukraine, that means you are losing the war. Difficult concept to grasp I know.

Shi* sandwiches on sale today. The Kremlin has released a special new treat now being served at all McDooDoo's formerly McDonalds. Happy gulag comrades!

mafketis
17 Mar 2022  #5677

Pure magic...Amazing how it works.

Surrender Stasiek wonders why _everybody_ doesn't just surrender! It's fun! It's easy! Just give up, says Surrender Stasiek!

Paulina
17 Mar 2022  #5678

The psycho from the West has been to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan,

But not to Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, etc. Russian psycho on the other hand has beaten those countries into a bloody pulp more than once, so the choice for them is very simple.

comes with Article 5 - the fuse that can start a big one.

The Article 5 exists in order to protect NATO members from an attack. Don't attack a NATO member and nothing will happen. It's really that simple.

That's much worse than any other psycho.

Of course not. But I can understand why such a bully like you doesn't like it when such a bully like Russia can't get it's way with all the smaller countries :)

Serbian troll, idi na hui. :)

That was beautiful ;D

I think in the Polish language "Russian blitzkrieg" will enter everyday speech like "Russian month" (ruski miesiąc). :D

lol

PolAmKrakow
17 Mar 2022  #5679

This is the Russian Navy news.usni.org/2022/03/16/russian-warships-shelling-towns-near-odesa-as-naval-activity-increasers-in-northern-black-sea

Look at the condition of those ships. Modern? No. High tech? No. Looking like they are barely floating? Yes. This is the mighty Russian military.

Crow
17 Mar 2022  #5680

All goes by the plan.

cms neuf
17 Mar 2022  #5681

Crnogoracs maps were awesome - some mornings I swore I would wake up and see the Russians were on the outskirts of Torun and it was time to pack up.

Crow
17 Mar 2022  #5682

Awesome news for free world

f

Azov nazi commander Nikolai Kravchenko dies in Mariupol.

Nazism does not pay off.

Thanks Russia.

mafketis
17 Mar 2022  #5683

Thanks Russia.

For bombing Ukrainian children? What a sick horrible person you are...

Nazism

The only nazis in Ukraine are wearing Russian uniforms... Shame of Serbia for supporting Russonazis!

Paulina
17 Mar 2022  #5684

As for bombing Ukrainian children...

On both sides of the theater in Mariupol there were two big white inscriptions on the ground saying "CHILDREN" visible from air:

tvn24.pl/najnowsze/ukraina-mariupol-rosjanie-zbombardowali-teatr-gdzie-byli-cywile-duze-biale-napisy-dzieci-przy-teatrze-5638343

A Russian plane bombed it anyway.

That's much worse than any other psycho.

As we can see it's true that Russia is much worse than the US or NATO. The US or NATO has never targeted civillians, especially children, on purpose.

Crow
17 Mar 2022  #5685

EU and NATO leading powers and spawn of sin would get what goes to them for all suffering of Slavs and for media manipulation with them.

Paulina
17 Mar 2022  #5686

@Crow, for now the EU and NATO aren't "getting" anything. It's Ukraine getting destroyed and it's Ukrainian children getting killed. Russia is killing Slavs today, you despicable moron.

Olga Smirnova has quit Bolshoi Ballet over Russia's invasion of Ukraine:

edition.cnn.com/style/article/olga-smirnova-quits-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine/index.html

'"I never thought I would be ashamed of Russia," she wrote in the statement, which was later republished by the Dutch National Ballet. "I have always been proud of talented Russian people, of our cultural and athletic achievements. But now I feel that a line has been drawn that separates the before and the after.'

'two other Bolshoi members -- Brazilian soloist David Motta Soares and Italian principal dancer Jacopo Tissi -- both announced they were resigning. Explaining his decision via Instagram, Tissi said that Russia's actions left him "unable to continue with my career in Moscow,"'

The Bolshoi's musical director has also quit because of the invasion.

Paulina
17 Mar 2022  #5687

suffering of Slavs

A video for you Crow - you don't live in Russia, so you can watch it - Ukraine before the war and now:

fb.watch/bOC_ThsIaK/

Bobko
17 Mar 2022  #5688

more than 10,000 US soldiers are in Poland now.

more to come I'm pretty sure.

This is something I have a hard time wrapping my mind around. Please understand - I can appreciate the direct reasons. That is, I understand there is a threat from a much larger country, and there is at the same time a conflict ongoing where a smaller and weaker country is being invaded - in other words an example of what can be. As any person loving literature and film, I understand that the narrative of an underdog that has a sudden "savior" is a popular one, because it pulls at our heart strings in some naturally preprogrammed way. I explain this, to try to preempt any accusations of trolling. Basically - I'm not a complete idiot but genuinely curious.

Here is my own thinking, which I think shouldn't be too strange to other Russians or even Americans. Under no circumstances, regardless of context, would I cheer large deployments of foreign soldiers in my country unless we are massing for some kind of coalition attack. In the history of my own country, even when we were allied - we did not work alongside Americans until after the meeting at the Elba and the joint occupation. So, for a pretty large amount of human persons, in cultural anthropological terms this is strange.

But then of course immediately I wonder - perhaps the only reason I think this way is that I'm from a large country where this is unthinkable through national pride and other reasons, but at the same time not material enough a concern from a personal security point of view to give it enough thought. Perhaps in Poland's case, or Romania's case there is a different calculus? Even wider, perhaps it is different for all European countries with the exception of Russia (and maybe France)?

Finally, to confuse things - I start to think of a myriad counterpoints - none of them very sexy, granted. These are, the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Houthis in Yemen, the Viet Cong- who seemed to derive a special pride in carrying the burden of national liberation solely on their shoulders without outside help. The rationale being that victory belongs entirely to you, and you are left in no one's debt.

So then is it through the very high stakes involved in europe (presence of nukes all around), that smaller countries have become mentally accustomed to hosting large foreign forces and treating it as a cause of joy? Is it some deeper history of coalition wars in europe going back to the Hundred Years War or the Napoleonic Wars where there is a greater, learned, fraternity of nations at war?

Just curious - it's surprising to see an Irish woman and a Pole getting very excited over Americans arriving en masse in Poland, in a context where the threat is still extremely remote.

Crnogorac3
17 Mar 2022  #5689

A video for you Crow - you don't live in Russia, so you can watch it - Ukraine before the war and now:

facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=952569892298431&id=1441343929507963

A Serbian woman in Spain explains why Russia had no other option.

Atch
17 Mar 2022  #5690

it's surprising to see an Irish woman

I can only answer for myself here. I'll leave the Poles to answer for themselves. I'm a foreigner living in Poland and I come from a small, neutral country. Ireland traditionally has strong ties with America for various historical reasons but I don't have great feelings of warmth towards any American government nor do I like the Americanization as I would call it of countries all over the world, in terms of the spread of many of the most vacuous and superficial aspects of American culture.

As a foreigner in Poland, I feel safer with a large NATO presence. I don't especially care if they're American or another nationality. Actually I would prefer British or Scandinavian troops but I'll settle for Americans. I feel safer because I feel a large NATO presence acts as a deterrent to Putin. Simple as that. I've never felt threatened by Russia or thought they intended to take over the world or nuke us. What's going on at the moment is unprecedented and it makes absolute sense for any nation to strengthen their defences in the light of this situation.

cms neuf
17 Mar 2022  #5691

Why we are excited ?

Because Americans are awesome - they are in touch with Polish values. They are compassionate, love freedom, love individual responsibility and unlike Russia they have great food, not buckets of grey slop and sour horses milk

Crnogorac3
17 Mar 2022  #5692

John Mearsheimer on why the West is principally responsible for the Ukrainian crisis

The political scientist believes the reckless expansion of NATO provoked Russia

economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mearsheimer-on-why-the-west-is-principally-responsible-for-the-ukrainian-crisis

GefreiterKania
17 Mar 2022  #5693

Hey, Crnogorac - why don't you post another updated, the latest, most recent map of the Russian blitzkrieg in Ukraine?

I'm sure a loooooooot has changed since you last posted a map here. :D :D :D

cms neuf
17 Mar 2022  #5694

It is not reckless expansion - Putin has demonstrated why it is totally logical

The people of those countries want democracy, a reasonable standard of living and a fair shake in life.

He wants dictatorship, bad food in cold apartments and all opportunities for him and his friends

And he sees those countries as being part of his sphere, regardless of what their citizens want

Paulina
17 Mar 2022  #5695

@Bobko, NATO sending some more serious number of troops to Poland and other countries bordering psycho Russia is a sign that NATO treats the commitment to the security of those countries seriously. It's NATO's signal both to those countries (to reassure them) and to Russia (don't f*ck with us). Actually, it's probably more than just a signal. It looks like NATO finally realised something that Poland was afraid of for years - that Russia is a thug country that is capable of invading neighbouring countries. So those troops and anything else that will appear in Poland and other countries in the Eastern part of the alliance will be there to deter Russia from an attack on those countries.

So, for a pretty large amount of human persons, in cultural anthropological terms this is strange.

No, it isn't.

the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Houthis in Yemen, the Viet Cong (...) carrying the burden of national liberation solely on their shoulders without outside help.

Sorry, but that's total bullsh1t. How can you be that ignorant? The Taliban were always aided by someone at some point in their fight both against the Soviet Union and NATO. The Viet Cong was aided by the Soviet Union and China. And the Houthis in Yemen were allegedly supported by Iran and Hezbollah.

What'sgoing on at the moment is unprecedented and it makes absolute sense for any nation to strengthen their defences in the light of this situation.

Exactly. For some days since the invasion started when I woke up and looked at the block of flats that I can see from the kitchen window, the picture of Ukrainian block of flats that were hit by rockets would spring before my eyes. I always felt for victims of any war and I felt sad and horrified by the destruction that armed conflicts around the world were bringing, but I've never experienced anything like this... I think Putin hasn't fully realised what level of shock in Europe this invasion would cause...

It is not reckless expansion - Putin has demonstrated why it is totally logical

Indeed.

Crnogorac3
17 Mar 2022  #5696

Hey, Crnogorac - why don't you post another updated, the latest, most recent map

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Great_Russia_-_Russia_and_Provinces.png

Nas i Rusa 300 miliona.

😉

Srbija do Tokija

PolAmKrakow
17 Mar 2022  #5697

@Bobko
I am a dual citizen raised in USA and living in Poland last 4 years, most of the time. It is simple. Russia is a threat, and always has been. Having more soldiers here in the event of an attack makes defense more feasible. Defense, not offense. You living in NYC of all places should have a much better understanding of how Americans think. You know, that I am not exaggerating when I say Americans in general do not like Russians. It is just a fact that after decades of mistrust, there is simply no getting around it.

When Russia fails, democracy ie. USA wins. When Poland is partnered with USA democracy wins. It is a battle of not only ideology but the actual state of being. The USA is a struggling democracy right now, and Putin just helped refocus Americans. Big mistake. Invading Ukraine thinking it was a 15 day war. Big mistake. Thinking NATO would not be united. Big mistake.

Russia can not win. And it will not win. All it is doing is reinforcing old beliefs and making more Americans, and Europeans distrust Russia. That will take 50 years to fade if it ever does. When our way of life wins, regardless of the names of the countries, everyone gets excited. Everyone except China, Russia, Belarus and some turd worlds.

Crnogorac3
17 Mar 2022  #5698

Latest map of situation in Mariupol. CIA Mossad Azov terrorists are going to be exterminated

Paulina
17 Mar 2022  #5699

A Polish woman won the Miss World title:

o2.pl/plotki/polka-zostala-miss-world-oto-najpiekniejsza-kobieta-swiata-6748142852442880a

It's the second time it happened - the first and only time was in 1989 when Aneta Kręglicka won. Do you think it's political (a popularity vote) due to what's happening now?

She supports Ukraine, of course:

instagram.com/p/CauwK1DsuUQ/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=20AC4BD9-27BC-4A4A-BBE7-9BD9D8B86711

"karolinabielawska Currently, the whole world is moved by the injustice suffering of Ukraine. We cannot even imagine the amount of harm that those people are experiencing right now. That is why, we are doing everything we can to help the war refugees coming to Poland. In the first day of invasion, our nation immediately reacted and organized all that we possibly could to take care of all those innocent people looking for safety. I have to admit that I have never been more proud to be Polish than I am right now 🇺🇦🇵🇱 #solidaritywithukraine #solidarnizukrainą"

Alien
17 Mar 2022  #5700

@Paulina
Last time 1989?
It was long overdue. Bravo Karolina.


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