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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



Pinching Pete
27 Mar 2022  #6811

Europe is aghast and shocked.

Yeah fu/ck France , especially. Dippy little frogs always wagging their fingers all the time.

Novichok
27 Mar 2022  #6812

RuSSian power was just a dream.....

And so is American. Today, with the proliferation of inexpensive but deadly accurate hand-held weapons, even the superpowers are powerless - unless they go all out from a safe distance, destroy all life-sustaining installations and supplies, and wait till death does its part.

American tanks would be in flames just as easily. And so would those 13 aircraft carriers. They are still floating because the enemy is not China or Russia but smelly guys with AKs.

GefreiterKania
27 Mar 2022  #6813

The difference between a poisoner who is afraid to be poisoned himself and a president of a free country...

P*tin and Biden

Crnogorac3
27 Mar 2022  #6814

The difference between

A man who is intelligent, brave & courageous, a true leader and on the other side you have a puppet, a phony whose job is only to wear a suit and a tie, to look good in front of the cameras and say whatever he is told to say in advance and act as per the instructions he receives from those who are pulling the strings from behind the scenes. You cannot even put the two of them in the same sentence let alone make a comparison.

Bratwurst Boy
27 Mar 2022  #6815

The Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Forrest Sherman (DDG 98) entered port in Gdańsk, Poland today.

Nice! :)

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1508150768905465865

johnny reb
27 Mar 2022  #6816

I saw that too.
There is some major fire power if needed.

dvidshub.net/image/7110768/uss-forrest-sherman-arrives-port-gdansk-poland

Novichok
27 Mar 2022  #6817

Nice! :)

It could have just as easily gone to Monte Carlo. Same effect on Ukraine.

I know..Optics...

Bratwurst Boy
27 Mar 2022  #6818

🤩

I know..Optics...

....so hot! :)

Crnogorac3
27 Mar 2022  #6819

The Americans apologize to the Russians. They say Biden is a fool.

thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/599915-risch-bidens-putin-comment-a-horrendous-gaffe

politico.com/news/2022/03/27/regime-change-putin-russia-smith-00020689

Paulina
28 Mar 2022  #6820

Your war, your problem, your solution

Strangely, Bush wasn't getting such an answer when he was inviting Poland to American war in Iraq and NATO to another American war in Afghanistan.

The U.S. is great when needed but hated when we are not.

Sorry, but I don't hate the US.

ie: I just can't picture joun, Atch, delph, Paulina, Harry, Milo and the such getting drafted into the military for combat. :-/

What does it have to do with anything? Am I calling for war? No. It was you who claimed that if NATO goes in it should go all the way to Moscow. I'm guessing that includes Americans? You want a nuclear war to brake out?

And, no, it wasn't me, Atch, delph, Milo, etc. fighting alongside American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Polish soldiers were doing that.

I wish Poles would fight as bravely way back.

They did.

A man who is intelligent, brave & courageous, a true leader

You must mean Zelensky, surely not Putin :)))

Crnogorac3
28 Mar 2022  #6821

youtu.be/TzR---YDDIQ

Everything about the current crisis in Ukraine is explained here by a neutral guy from South America. By the way, a Chilean who is currently in Kharkov, where the SBU is looking for him to arrest him. 😁

Korvinus
28 Mar 2022  #6822

Saw a video of a dog eating dead Russian. Almost felt sad for the poor Russian soldier, almost.

I know that for you, thick skulled mongoloids of the vatnik tribe find it impossible to comprehend, but the West doesn not appreciate when you sh*it on his front porch. I know throughout history you got used to sh*itting everywhere, including the insides of a piano, but in more prestigious circles such behavior will not win win you respect, only contempt and ridicule. And sanctions.

So go cry me a river. Putin got the warning in 2014, when sanctions for Crimea wrecked Russia's economy. He did not listen. So now he is forced to, when the wellbeing of Russians is going down the drain.

Atch
28 Mar 2022  #6823

on the other side you have a puppet, a phony whose job is only to wear a suit and a tie,

Obviously you're referring to Putin as Zelensky wears a t-shirt :))

GefreiterKania
28 Mar 2022  #6824

Because of the mongol invasion of Europe, Polish armed forces will increase in number to 300,000 and receive the best equipment (mostly American, but also Turkish Bayraktar among others)...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/kraj/news-mariusz-blaszczak-bedziemy-dozbrajac-wojsko-i-wyposazac-je-w,nId,5922388

... it will be costly and will demand sacrifices but nobody in their right mind questions the necessity of the expense. Wojsko Polskie must become an even more formidable force than it is now. We are again the antemurale of civilisation.

amiga500
28 Mar 2022  #6825

So Poland needs to stop talking and just deliver the Fing planes.

what a pu*sy ass statement to cover for yankee cowardice, of course those migs should have been delivered from day 1, and don't hide behind this 'oh poland should have done it themselves' BS, there's something called the western alliance that has protected post communist and USA interests since 89, Polam i feel u know that poland is right but due to patriotic reasons you are defending the e dumb decisions by Biden and Blinken. Full stop. Nato needs to be peacekeaping force reaching as far as east of the Dnieper river ASAP. And no Putin will not deploy nuclear weapons cause of that.

PolAmKrakow
28 Mar 2022  #6826

@amiga500
Look, Poland wants to use the US and the German base so Russia doesnt see Poland as the country escalating things. I get it, Russia a lot less likely to attack Poland if the US is the dirty party. Smart really. But it really is passing the buck. Poland could have and should have just handed the planes to the Ukraine pilots that were in Poland waiting for them.

Should NATO go in? Yes. But they should just go in and wipe out the Russians. F a peace keeping force that will likely get attacked anyway. If you go in, go in heavy and really bring peace. Don't announce it, just do it, and take Putin by surprise.

Novichok
28 Mar 2022  #6827

But they should just go in and wipe out the Russians.

I like the idea. Red Square - a 100-mile circle. NY - a nice quiet spot. No crime. No rats.

PolAmKrakow
28 Mar 2022  #6828

@Novichok
You obviously dont get the context of my writing. Russia is not about to attack the US mainland. US and NATO should go into Ukraine and end this. Its pretty simple at this point. Putin will either have to retreat or send in more troops, or escalate. They are already running out of smart weapons, so either small nuke, or bio. I doubt he uses either.

Novichok
28 Mar 2022  #6829

You obviously dont get the context of my writing.

My fault. I do tend to take what I read literally. "Wipe out the Russians" meant to me (H+N)x1000.

I can see that some Americans on this forum have a selective memory...

I am not one of them but I am a hypocrite and proud of it. Back to Putin and Ukraine...

There are two parts to both. (1) Putin's reasons to be slightly agitated by the snake and (2) Russia being uniquely bad toward Ukraine. See: Iraq and High Moral Ground - a place where we feel so righteous as long as the clouds below cover the inconvenient parts of the globe.

In my opinion...1: Putin has good reasons to be slightly agitated. 2: Russia is not uniquely bad.

There was a chance to address 1 without going to 2 and keep Ukrainians at home and alive. The Z swamp didn't see things that way before the tanks rolled in. They do now.

Atch
28 Mar 2022  #6830

you, who's nation sat out those wars.

Oh please - we've been down that road before, you and I. Ireland was still part of the United Kingdom in the first world war and we did not 'sit it out'. Irish men volunteered in their tens of thousands (no conscription in Ireland) not to mention those already enlisted in the British Army. About 200,000 Irish fought in the first world war. On my mother's side every man was already serving in the British Army at the outbreak of war and two lost their lives during the conflict. In WWII Ireland was independent and neutral and Irish men didn't have to join that fight but they did in every branch of the services. Please don't disrespect their memory.

Korvinus
28 Mar 2022  #6831

Putin has good reasons to be slightly agitated.

No, people like Putin understand only the language of superior firepower. And will be persuaded to mind their own business only when there's a boot at their neck.

Russia is not uniquely bad.

How? Because Russia "feel threatened" and throw autistic tantrum? Russia feels threatened about anything and doesn't need any actual reason to escalate. Poland in August 1939 was also persuaded to cancel mobilization, because poor Hitler will feel threatened. Guess how it worked out.

Pinching Pete
28 Mar 2022  #6832

Irish men volunteered

Not remotely the same thing. Anyway, got a lot cheek criticizing the States all the time. How many Javelins have you people provided?? How many refugees taken in? How many ANYTHING have has Ireland provided Ukraine?

Please don't disrespect their memory.

Need to learn a little respect yourself.

johnny reb
28 Mar 2022  #6833

Germany's energy minister says the Group of Seven major economies have agreed to reject Russia's demand to pay for Russian energy imports in rubles.

Robert Habeck told reporters Monday that "all G-7 ministers agreed completely that this (would be) a one-sided and clear breach of the existing contracts."

Atch
28 Mar 2022  #6834

Not remotely the same thing

No, that's exactly the point.

Ireland is still militarily neutral btw and we're taking far more refugees than the USA in proportion to our population. We are well known as a nation for our compassion and generosity. Nobody but us helped the children of Chernobyl for YEARS!! The USA were very late to the party there. Btw I don't have anything against America as a nation. Your politics are a joke but you're ok. You're good people.

Korvinus
28 Mar 2022  #6835

I am trying to connect what you wrote with what you quoted and that "No"

First, I doubt that a despot who steals gazillions from his people and keeps everyone at a safe distance of 100 m has such selfless intentions as you seem to believe.

I concede that he might think himself as on a "mission" for Russia of some kind.
Heck, I can even concede that some of the Nato concerns are understandable.

He still had no right to invade a neighboring country and start killing people left and right. He should have tried to get better at the influence game, or whatever else.

It doesn't seem to me like an over-complicated argument.

Cojestdocholery
28 Mar 2022  #6836

We are again the antemurale of civilisation.

Nothing to be happy about. As those stupid and arrogant people behind our backs think they are immune and can manage well on their own. I think we should think in those terms, we should think about kicking Russian out of the way, and keep it where it belong, taking królewiec i liberating Belarous.

They say Biden is a fool.

Well he is, If he wasn't no-fly zone would be established already in western Ukrainie, and serius weaponey would be on it way to Kiev.

But it really is passing the buck.

Duh! Obviusly we have no nukes and with Biden and your political class in shambles Putin could take a chance that you are bluffing and you won't fire nukes. Your politcial stance is patethic and just trying to dazzle us with BS.

Black ingratitude of some nations

Why are you talking about gratitude? There is no gratitude in the political world.
As for the rest of your post - what are you taking - I want some ..

Putin's reasons

Putin's reasons are simple, imperialistic ambitions, nothing less nothing more, that story about NATO and him is a pure BS without substance.

The Z swamp didn't see

Blame the victim - yeah you are a lying hypocrite and proud of it. As I put it - you are a s..back.

PolAmKrakow
28 Mar 2022  #6837

@Cojestdocholery
The Political class? No such thing like in Europe. It is party politics here, two parties and the only classes are the wealthy and not wealthy in both parties. If you think it has to do with nukes, then you don't understand.

Nukes would destroy Europe long before reaching the USA. In the US there are still enough places for people to escape to that the country would survive, Europe would not. Russia would be in worse shape in a limited exchange than the US because of the lower population numbers. Nukes are a deterrent. Thats it.

A no fly zone has not be proposed officially by any NATO member and only by Ukraine. It is not the US responsibility to solve this problem independently. It is easily arguable that it is the EU problem because Ukraine is European. Dazzle you with BS? Really? Where TF would Ukraine be today if not for US weapons and money?

With all the warnings from the US, why weren't migs shipped to Ukraine before the invasion? Why didnt Germany and the others get off their a$$es and do something to prevent the invasion? Stop pointing fingers at the US and get your own houses in order.

mafketis
28 Mar 2022  #6838

For those wondering why Russia really attacked....

twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1508417831054065670

Ukraine, as corrupt as it was/is, was starting to overtake Russia economically. A relatively prosperous and democratic Ukraine was a far bigger threat to Putin than NATO could ever be.

Cojestdocholery
28 Mar 2022  #6839

Dazzle you with BS? Really?

Biden visit.

For those wondering why Russia really attacked....

Yes, Russian was loosing influcne in Ukraine fast, due to econamical nd cultural reasons, so that was the window of opportunity for Russia to stop it.

With all the warnings from the US,

The USA could have done it itself. Stop bringing the EU or Germany, first is not a county and Germany as I have said was cozy with Russia and ready to make a deal with it to kick USA from Europe.

IF Ukrainie would have falledn fast - nothing would change.
The fact they are fighing and fighing well and skillful is a game changer. It got Germany back to the fold - for now.
As for Poland - why do you pass the buck onto Poland? We might be that in the fututre - to take that role in the region but we are not there yet and the USA haven't done a single thing to help us bulid up.

So it is up to the US, to do something more as you have means. Russia won't nuke you. They have no chance against you with conventional army. You are in a prefect postion to strike.

it is a window of opportunity not only for Ukrainie and Poland but also for the USA. You can knock out Russia from being a forece you need to recon with in the eastern europe and europe. That would free you greatly to act in the Pacific. It win win! Unfortunaly you have Biden and Democrats and they are always give in to Russia.

Novichok
28 Mar 2022  #6840

that story about NATO and him is a pure BS without substance.

To a dumb Russia-hating Polak...NATO was the Number 1 topic in all negotiations involving Russia since 1990.

A relatively prosperous and democratic Ukraine was a far bigger threat to Putin than NATO could ever be.

With the West drooling over their resources....Well, Russia didn't like that...Weird. Isn't it?


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