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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7381

Russians aren't the only ones doing it of course but they're the best at it

Statements like this one are the reason why I have this special place in my heart for you, maf. I was just ready to pounce and then this...

Cojestdocholery
3 Apr 2022  #7382

Their policy regarding Russia is unbelievably stupid and it is impossible to talk to Poles about this.

Yes, that is a fact. Not a general direction of Poland's policy but the way they go about it.

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7383

More Russian dogs went to hell where they belong.

Is it the same place where dead Americans congregate after running over IEDs in Iraq?

but the way they go about it.

They???

Cojestdocholery
3 Apr 2022  #7384

NATO and Russia's warnings

Shove your warings? What are you talking about? We are talking about war of aggresion here!

Dmitry Medvedev

I can write that he and his friends in Kremlin are controled by aliens and that is the reasons for their outlandish actions.

pictures from Bucha are a hoax

Look that is Moscow Army that is not hoax, we all know what Russian army is about!

They???

politicians..

cms neuf
3 Apr 2022  #7385

Hilarious hearing pathetic paid trolls talk about war criminal Putin and his "red lines" - don't cross them or he will send in his drunk soldiers with no food and no gasoline

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7386

What are you talking about?

Me - always loving and patient...I am talking about a "nut with nukes" who said no to NATO in Ukraine. Is there anything unclear in my last sentence?

If Z and B signed an agreement to that effect and the US Congress ratified it as a treaty, Putin would hug and kiss Z and B. Clear?

Hey, Vlad, I want to be paid for my services and the abuse I get here...

PolAmKrakow
3 Apr 2022  #7387

@Novichok
When shown clear evidence you stick to your BS rants. You are a very low level human being. A traitor.

@Crnogorac3
You are the second dumbest person on here. Do you know how long riggor lasts in a body before going back to a flexible state? Of course you dont. Blood on a head wound that is intercranial? You are just a retarded troll.

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7388

You are a very low level human being.

I am desperately trying to stay up and you keep dragging me down. With your eloquence that should not be necessary. Instead, responding on points should shame me enough to leave and never come be back.

Evidence of what? That wars are hell? I don't need evidence of that.

amiga500
3 Apr 2022  #7389

The main goal of Soviet propaganda is to flood the arena with contradictory messages

Exactly. Before the war they allowed all the crazies on their talk shows to confuse the public, the aim of russian propaganda machine was to flood the public with contradictory information so the whole point of objective truth was minimised and dismissed. What is truth when you have a debate with outlandish statements that don't even mention truth? now things are different they have gone full nazi propaganda mode. there is only one truth, the kremlins truth. meanwhile brain drain from russia still happening, anyone with half a brain and a degree is getting the F out.

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7390

BTW, how much expertise is needed to tie hands behind a corps and take pics? Do Ukrainians have this know-how?
It's amazing how Pole$$ believe any crap that fits but not a simple document that does not fit.

mafketis
3 Apr 2022  #7391

a "nut with nukes" who said no to NATO in Ukraine

Except that the more people know about the inner workings of Putin's Russia... the less they talk about NATO because they know that's not in the top 5 reasons he invaded.

Has he mentioned it? Yes. Is it important to him.... meh. He also mentioned JK Rowling... is he now a Harry Potter fan?

By harping on it you reinforce your position as someone who doesn't know much about what really caused the war.

Stop embarrassing yourself, you're like Jerry Nadler just after he sh!t himself on tv and then awkwardly side-waddling away....

PolAmKrakow
3 Apr 2022  #7392

@Novichok
Evidence of civilians being shot in the head, run over by tanks, testimony of rapes, you know, just the regular war crimes Russians have been known for over the centuries. Why would you be insulted? Clearly you are comfortable with these things, and you are comfortable with what you are. I just point it out.

Korvinus
3 Apr 2022  #7393

Vatnik: wrong to torture or murder Pows. Really immoral and illegal.

Also Vatnik: Super moral to murders unarmed woman.

Also Vatnik: Someone says hi to ukraine. NUKE THEM!!!

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7394

who doesn't know much about what really caused the war.

Please tell me those top 5 reasons.

Evidence of civilians being shot in the head, run over by tanks, testimony of rapes,

Z knew that too. Another good reason to declare the neutrality of Ukraine.
BTW, did you personally know that wars are hell and Russians are mean? There...you should have enlightened Z before it all started. The problem was and still is that Z doesn't give fu*ck as long as he has the job.

amiga500
3 Apr 2022  #7395

Clearly you are comfortable with these things

If he was in russia i would kinda get it, the fact he is a polish immigrant to USA, the country that gave him refuge, and supports his family, and he betrays that, because of whataboutism, iraq, vietnam blah blah , is baffling. the old fool can not recognize the present and lives in the past, god when i am 80 i hope i am not like this idiot.

Korvinus
3 Apr 2022  #7396

I have a feeling that NATO may start to change posture in the coming days, if not with direct intervention, they may start to dramatically ramp up delivery of military equipment and the type of military equipment in the coming days, possibly providing them with fighter jets.

Hopefully this would result in Putinland nuked.

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7397

i am 80 i hope i am not like this idiot.

Hopefully, you will never suffer the 80s.
Do you, heroes, think Z knows what happened in Poland on October 6, 1939?

amiga500
3 Apr 2022  #7398

wow another PR disaster for the Ruskis, this Bucha business is getting serious airplay, a turning point for proper military support for the Ukris? ie jets and tanks and etc etc?

'Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the killings were "a brutality against civilians we haven't seen in Europe for decades." "It's horrific and it's absolutely unacceptable that civilians are targeted and killed,"

UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said that "indiscriminate attacks" by against Ukrainian civilians in towns such as Bucha and Irpin should be investigated as war crimes

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken described the images from Bucha as a "punch to the gut".

French President Emmanuel Macron, who has spoken frequently with President Putin since the beginning of the conflict, called the pictures "unbearable". He said that the "Russian authorities will have to answer for these crimes".

Speaking to the Bild newspaper, German Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck called the killings a "terrible war crime cannot go unanswered".'

mafketis
3 Apr 2022  #7399

Please tell me those top 5 reasons.

internal kremlin power struggles to reassert his dominance

sop to the vatniks (he doesn't entirely need their support but he prefers to have it)

plundering ukrainaina resources (oil discovered in 2013)

imperial mission of rebuilding Russia or Soviet empire (impossible without ukraine)

eliminate threat of an economically successful Ukriane (far more dangerous to him than NATO)

his place in history (he wants to be remembered as having restarted USSR version 2...

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7400

Thanks. Now the sources.

"It's horrific and it's absolutely unacceptable that civilians are targeted and killed,"

Dead civilian (def.) - a dead guy with a gun after the gun is removed from the scene for the photoshoot.
Targeted - an inference without proof as that would require crawling into the shooter's head. But it sounds good on the Hill.

amiga500
3 Apr 2022  #7401

Targeted

the semantics does not matter, what matters is the propaganda war, and even you would have to admit that ukraine is whooping as* in this regard, and has been from the start.

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7402

the semantics does not matter,

Semantics is part of the propaganda war and matters a lot. Just as select photos.

you would have to admit that ukraine is whooping as* in this regard,

I will if you tell me Putin's objectives. Did Russians have losses? Yes, like in any war. See K and V. 100,000 Americans died there for nothing. Russia will at least keep what it has now. And Crimea.

GefreiterKania
3 Apr 2022  #7403

they do not have characteristic bullet wounds, no blood can be seen anywhere

1

2

... no blood you say.

bodies on the recordings are not stiff

Yes, I bet the 300 people in one of mass graves...

3

dip.org.ua/novini-mzs-ukraini/majzhe-300-lyudej-poxovano-u-bratskix-mogilax-v-ukrainskomu-misti-bucha/

... are definitely not stiff.

Obviously the most graphic pictures were not released to general public in the open internet. Besides, ruSSian soldiers admitted to commiting atrocities themselves on many occasions (links were posted even in this thread).

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7404

atrocities themselves

Like I said...Nice PG-13 wars last forever and cost infinity. See Afghanistan.
Brutal wars - from September 1 till October 6 or less than 6 weeks.

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7405

Quoting:

Zelensky rejected peace offer days before Russian offensive - WSJ
German chancellor Olaf Scholz had offered Volodymyr Zelensky a chance for peace just days before the launch of the Russian military offensive, but the Ukrainian president turned it down, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) has reported.


Rejections have consequences, Mr. Z. I hope that one day you will be able to tell the survivors why you did it.

Tacitus
3 Apr 2022  #7406

Which war are you referring to? If you mean the invasion of Poland by the Wehrmacht, that war did not end after six week just like the war in Afghanistan did not end after the Taliban fled Kabul.

Crnogorac3
3 Apr 2022  #7407

Many shots of corpses in Ukraine have already been proven as fake, so I don't believe this without solid evidence.

For example, one of many:

youtu.be/LtO-ngujtxA

After all, how do we know if even the Ukrainians did not kill them "for treason". There are many recordings of the Ukrainian army torturing and killing civilians, and the Russians have none. When I see the footage of the corpses I will neither be sure they are really dead or who killed them. The West is the empire of lies.

johnny reb
3 Apr 2022  #7408

Anonymous, the famed hacker collective, claimed on Sunday that they leaked the personal information of 120,000 Russian soldiers allegedly fighting in Ukraine.
The soldiers' information, which included their names, dates of birth, addresses, unit affiliation and passport numbers, were leaked as the Russian military faces heightened scrutiny over alleged human rights abuses in the Ukrainian town of Bucha.

Reports of civilians in the town who were shot to death with their hands tied behind their backs while corpses being spotted in yards, cars and streets have been circulating.

There is a special place in hell for these scum.

Novichok
3 Apr 2022  #7409

Quoting:
EU has 'sanctioned itself' - UK ex-diplomat
Europe can't replace Russian oil and gas supplies, no matter how much the US and Qatar pony up


and some comments:

The politicians have not thought any of those through. Mr. Cooke is just adding to the Hungarian message "that Russian Gas and Oil can't be replaced." Neither can the Russian and Ukrainian wheat and other food products. So when jobs are cut, energy supplies lead to rolling blackouts, and the people start to go hungry.

These decisions are made by people that never have to worry about paying their bills. A lot of leaders want to put on a big show for their international friends regardless of the consequences for the people that give them power. This is considered leadership, what a joke this whole system is.


The West is the empire of lies.

Lying is the MO here. Every single day. Quoting:

In August 1964, the United States entered the Vietnam War after reports of an unprovoked attack in the Gulf of Tonkin. But the reports were false - and the president knew it.

Just one example. That one killed 58,000 Americans. No consequences to the liars.

Korvinus
3 Apr 2022  #7410

so I don't believe this without solid evidence.

president.gov.ua/news/chas-zrobiti-vse-shob-voyenni-zlochini-rosijskih-vijskovih-s-74053

Zelensky: "I invite madam Merkel and mister Sarkozy to visit Bucha and see the result of 14 years of their appeasement politics towards Putin."

The only leader who is truly fighting against globohomo right now is Zelensky.

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