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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



AntV
6 Apr 2022  #7621

It was done already and you can see the results.

Not entirely already done. Oil and gas was flowing rather freely to parts of Europe and Other places and there was nothing Putin could do that would cause any of those countries to turn off that spigot. Putin sensed weakness in the West, primarily from Biden's amateurish botched and rushed withdrawal from Afghanistan and Biden's permissive speech as Russia gather troops on the Uke border-plus Euro countries anemic defense spending.

You mean now? Or later - after the invasion ends

Later.

Novichok
6 Apr 2022  #7622

Germany offered to share the evidence with Russia,

And Germany, of course, published that evidence. Can you post the link to it? I am really curious what kind of crappy excuse you will come up with next.

And an explanation why Navalny is still alive. Another case of "evil but incompetent"?

Oh yeah, I got it. It's classified. Or, find it yourself.

Russia never bothered to respond because

Russians didn't have to respond. You can send it by registered mail or give it to their ambassador. Duh!

Children, this is how you catch a wiggling man lying.

Another thing...At some point, Navalny was in a Russian hospital. If he was such a threat to Russia or Putin, what a great place to get rid of him then and there, once and for all without much fuss.

Did you know that people die and that many die in hospitals? I will be happy to supply you with some numbers if you ask nicely. What a blockhead.

johnny reb
6 Apr 2022  #7623

Other places and there was nothing Putin could do that would cause any of those countries to turn off that spigot.

Oil revenue for Russia will be the highest ever in 2022.
Meanwhile Zelensky alleged horrifying details of war crimes by Russian troops after he visited the Kyiv suburb of Bucha.
He told diplomats Russia's men had tortured civilians, crushed some to death in their tanks "for pleasure," raped women in front of their children, and pulled out victims' tongues "because the aggressor did not hear what they wanted to hear from them".

These bastards are going to die a horrible death.

GefreiterKania
6 Apr 2022  #7624

@johnny reb

In Irpien, after the russian troops withdrew, bodies of children under 10 years old were found with marks of torture and rape on them. UN general secretary, Antonio Guterres, is shocked with the evidence presented.

Anyone who sides with russia is no better than those murderers and rapists. Enough is enough.

Guterres can be shocked, but russia should be kicked out of UN or the UN itself dissolved.

Novichok
6 Apr 2022  #7625

marks of torture and rape on them.

...and a Russian flag on top of them as proof. Plus, "we did it" in Russian.

Hey, Tacitus, if I give you a link to an article that explains the Navalny case from Russia's point of view, are you going to read it?

Meathead
6 Apr 2022  #7626

... I noticed that when one side stops shooting, the other side usually does the same. Amazing how it works. See Warsaw in September 1939.

Did Germans stop shooting Poles after 1939?

Novichok
6 Apr 2022  #7627

Yes. After Poland surrendered, the German offensive ended and the war activities stopped. The same took place in Denmark, France, and Norway. Holocaust is another matter and had nothing to do with war activities such as bombing and shelling.

My parents lived very normal lives in Warsaw and my father had a small business. Then came that idiotic Warsaw Uprising...

GefreiterKania
6 Apr 2022  #7628

6 million Polish civilians were killed in Poland during WW2 - 3 million ethnic Poles and 3 million Jews. Overwhelming majority of them were killed AFTER September 1939.

If Holocaust is "another matter", then still about 100,000 ethnic Polish civilians died during September Campaign, and 2.9 million after Poland surrendered.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Apr 2022  #7629

I hope "Yegor" sees that:

"The Nazis"



reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/tx22ve/the_nazis/

What a horrible, sad time for every friend of Russia....

johnny reb
6 Apr 2022  #7630

I lived under Soviet "occupation"

You still do.
Have you ever heard the quote by Patrick Henry..... "give me life or give me death".
People like you are afraid of death.
And because of that fear, it's hard for people like you to comprehend that the loss of liberty is worse than death.
You still live in the old Commie days when you were instilled with fear.
And that is one of the freedoms you migrated to the United States of America for.
Your privilege of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
You disagree then go back to where you came from.
We are tired of your vomit inducing remarks.

Novichok
6 Apr 2022  #7631

Overwhelming majority of them were killed AFTER September 1939.

OK, how many ethnic Poles, not Jews, were executed by the Germans for no cause between November 1, 1939, and July 1, 1944?
The same question for Denmark, France, and Norway.

GefreiterKania
6 Apr 2022  #7632

@Novichok

Do your own research, defender of pedophiles, and when you come up with results that show that Poland lost more ethnic Polish civilians during September campaign than AFTER it (even excluding Warsaw Uprising), then don't forget to post them here so we can all have a good laugh.

Now, get back to defending russian rapists, murderers and pedophiles.

Meathead
6 Apr 2022  #7633

If Holocaust is "another matter", then still about 100,000 ethnic Polish civilians died during September Campaign, and 2.9 million after Poland surrendered.

As Louis L Amour was quoted as saying you either fight back or you go quietly to the slaughter house. That was/is Ukraine's options.

Novichok
6 Apr 2022  #7634

Now, get back to defending russian rapists, murderers and pedophiles.

I never defend rapists and murders. I just don't trust anyone and anything until I see evidence and a trial. See Nuremberg.
You want to cry? Find somebody else to cry with. BTW, even those Germans that bombed Warsaw in 1939 and killed thousand were not declared war criminals so take a chill pill.

Crow
6 Apr 2022  #7635

We don`t know who killed people Bucha but many accuse Russia. One reminder. In similar situation in Bosnia, Serbs were accused by many and later was find out that Muslims killed their own civilians in order to attract media attention and win war in mass media.

GefreiterKania
6 Apr 2022  #7636

@Novichok

All the crying is done by Ukrainian people, killed, raped and burned by russian nazis. The free world's task is not to cry but to punish the pedophile murderers and those who side with them. I believe that it will happen.

Excuse me now, but I talked to you long enough; I have to go to the bathroom to throw up - you do have this effect on people.

Meathead
6 Apr 2022  #7637

Another interesting article about the Russian Army's behavior in Germany just after WWII: npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106687768

Looks very familiar.

Novichok
6 Apr 2022  #7638

I have to go to the bathroom to throw up

When you are done, my dear genius, explain why countries capitulate.
Specifically, why did Denmark, France, Norway, and Poland capitulate? What was the purpose?

PolAmKrakow
6 Apr 2022  #7639

defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/04/05/poland-signs-475-billion-abrams-tank-deal-as-russias-war-speeds-procurements/

Good news for Poland here. Which is good news for Europe.

@Novichok
Do you have any arguments based on current events? Not comparisons to events of the past involving the US and other countries, but any actual intelligent and informed opinions on the actual events taking place? Your comments are tired, and old. Your mindset of living under an authoritarian rule instead of a democracy is something you should capitulate to is absolutely without any intelligence. You want evidence at trial? You wont live long enough to see the trial, and if you can not make an educated decision on the evidence presented, then you could not serve as a juror, so you are unlikely to be able to create an intelligent decision on the evidence even at trial.

The Russians are murderers and rapists. Putin ordered the attack and set the murderers and rapists upon a sovereign nation. They are all war criminals, and one by one they will either be killed or convicted or both. It will be years from now, but it will happen. Until then, people of Ukraine will suffer and die, and Russian people will be forced back into a 1980's standard of living. Brilliant leadership on display in Russia, clearly something to be admired. If you admire idiocy.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Apr 2022  #7640

...They also argue that heavy equipment should be stored in Poland instead of in Germany in order to increase the speed of response.

twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1511549280712069123

They have a point!



I mean....look at those numbers!

mafketis
6 Apr 2022  #7641

I never defend rapists and murders. I

Now this, is interesting: "head of the DNR, ... awarding a medal to Lieutenant Colonel Timur Kurilkin for "destroying 250 Nazis" - ... Kurilkin has two neo-Nazi patches clearly visible on his uniform"

twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1511001899184627712

Consistent with lots of other stuff. As I keep saying the nazis (both neo and old school) are on the Russian side in this case.

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

Bratwurst Boy
6 Apr 2022  #7642

The Valknot is an old norse symbol....but yeah....for us pagans a difficult time...

(Especially worn by Slavs no less!)

Atch
6 Apr 2022  #7643

They liquidate the prisoners in front of the cameras quite openly.

This was reported days ago in western media. I've already mentioned it at least twice, including once yesterday on this very forum. It's strange how you believe without question that these videos are genuine but all the dead Ukrainians are fake??? Why is that?

Strikingly, the response from the Ukrainian government has been what one would expect from a civilised nation. They have condemned those actions and vowed to investigate and punish if found to be true. On the other hand the Russian government, puerile scum that they are, have denied everything.

PolAmKrakow
6 Apr 2022  #7644

@Bratwurst Boy
I can tell you there are a lot more than 4500 US in Poland. That comes right from US soldiers I have met in Krakow. More than 10,000 according to them and more arriving regularly.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Apr 2022  #7645

More than 10,000 according to them and more arriving regularly.

Good to hear! :)

Ziemowit
6 Apr 2022  #7646

Russia is currently undergoing a kind of collective nervous breakdown because the invasion wasn't met with cheering crowds

They had imagined that something similar to the welcoming crowds in Vienna in 1938 would happen in Kiev?

It seems Putin had been living in a bubble created for him by his hangers-on ...

On the other hand the Russian government, puerile scum that they are, have denied everything.

Russia has just been showing its true face to the deluded West.

Tacitus
6 Apr 2022  #7647

Can you post the link to it?

Germany has shared the evidence with the OPCW and other countries to verify it.

m.dw.com/en/french-swedish-labs-confirm-navalny-poisoned-with-novichok/a-54918924

evil but incompetent

Nawalny got very, very lucky. If the symptoms had manifested 30 minutes later, he would have been dead.

Nawalny, a prominent enemy of Putin got poisened in Russia, by a Russian nerve agent, while being closely followed by Russian agents and the response of Russian officials indicates that they wanted him to die. Afterwards Russia made no attempts to investigate the attempted murder of one its' citizens or the use of a banned nerve agent on its' territory.All of this happened when - as we know today - Putin was cracking down on the last figures of opposition in preparation of the invasion of Ukraine. But yes, no reason to conclude that Russia is behind it.

mafketis
6 Apr 2022  #7648

The always great Kamil Galeev delivers another great thread.

Why Russia is losing.

shorter version: Russian army is basically still Soviet in structure and not at all prepared or able to fight the kind of war it found itself in. What's worse (for Russia, better for Ukraine) is that Russian institutional culture makes improvement impossible. There is simply too much negative selection (explained here*)

At the same time, Ukraine completely reformed and reshaped its military (while not making a big deal out of it). They had figured out likely Russian tactics and were able to counter them while Russia was counting on a Czechoslovak style immediate surrender and hasn't been able to adapt fast enough to really achieve any of its political goals (negative selection is a vengeful b1tch).

Also, the morale is all on the Ukrainian side. They suffered a humiliating loss in 2014 but survived (the two together are the most effective factors for institutional change there are). They know they're fighting for freedom and a better future while the Russians.... are not. They're fighting for a kleptocratic regime and so are more interested in immediate plunder than miliatary or political goals.

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1511528319656755205

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_selection_(politics)

Cojestdocholery
6 Apr 2022  #7649

Nawalny

Navalny is not much better than Putin. They both share the same Russian imperialism but differ in their take on corruption. Nawalny thinks that corruption need to be erradicated but agree with all geopolitical aims of Putin.

Germany

Germany and the West believed that they were dealing with thieves, and that imperialism of Russian elite was only a cover for theft. That what made them trustwordy and realiable in the eyes of western elite. Therefore, Western politicians considered themselves very clever people who take advantage of Russian fools.

In fact they were just taken for a ride and some where corrupted.

Strzelec35
6 Apr 2022  #7650

Cojestdocholery you can talk smack abut russians all you want but i know deep down all you polish are racist and nationalist as well. Like that chick I met at the bar last night tlaking shet about ukrainian chicks. It is alays the same with you Polish. So how exactly do you differ from the russians?


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