Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Maybe you should invest in a dictionary.....

And being killed because he was Ukrainian makes the otherr 4 points moot.

You lose (again?!??!)


I posted to an article that appeared on RIA the other day. Not my fault if you're too lazy/dumb to read it.

How uninformed can one troll be?!?!?

A dictionary in the world of demagoguery is useless. Genocide has many definitions and ways of implementation. Same with "racist". Both lost all meaning from abuse.

Back to Yegor. Why would Russians want to genocide Yegor?

A top U.S. General just today urged for more US troops to be deployed in eastern Europe.
Sounds like WW3 is on the way to me.

see #,7594

read the link

stop asking stupid question.


I've joked that this time the pandemic preceded the war (unlike WWI and the Spanish Flu).... maybe there's something to that : (

I don't debate links but I can debate you. Do you want to try it? Then explain this and don't hide behind "links":

Why would Russians want to genocide Yegor?

@Novichok

Maybe you misunderstand, I don't want Ukraine to stop fighting. I want Russia to be defeated in their unjustified and barbaric attack on the sovereign nation of Ukraine. I hope the West continues to arm Ukraine within the limits of reason.

However, I see no strategic reason in ostracizing them. We must engage Russia economically and diplomatically, while projecting deterrence (whether that be beefing up NATO in its Eastern flank, increasing arms sales to bordering nations, reciprocating cyber attacks, etc).

I'm not in the russophobic camp nor am I in the Putin is the savior of traditional values camp. I don't think we should be calling for Putin to be deposed or tried for war crimes-counter-productive to end this barbaric invasion. But, that doesn't mean I don't view Putin as an autocratic bad actor-he is and should be dealt with as such, but in ways that are effective and lead to more peaceful stability, which, IMO, is through a strong defensive posture while engaging him through strategic trade and geopolitical diplomacy.

His narrative of fear and being a victim of NATO encroachment is understandable, but remained theoretical, while the fear his neighbors have of Russia is real in practice -Russia has actually invaded countries.

So, that means a build-up of NATO forces in the East are now warranted.

Anyhow, I'm starting to ramble.

@mafketis

Yes, worse than what we've seen so far. Do you think folks in 1918 imagined anything worse? It can always get worse.

@Novichok

I should add, but before any economic or geopolitical engagement occurs, Russia must end their unjustified attack of Ukraine.

Antv you are starting to rumble. building up forces in countries involve wont do dick squad for nato or you. all it shos is russia what countries to attack or not. how does ur coardice lol of biden and nato do anything? just coards lames...

onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/amerykanski-ochotnik-to-co-rosjanie-zrobili-tu-z-cywilami-jest-szalenstwem/8cqg6x4,79cfc278

Sure Polish style metaphor which is nothing else then an old style Russian BS.

Now - a sneaky way to imply that NATO didn't do anything that would upset Putin. But now, after this aggression, NATO is justified to go East, of course,... as if it just stood in Germany since the Wall fell down.


I am OK with that too, but I would appreciate if they and their friends here quit whining about how awful Russians are. As they say, play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

I will join the chorus after we cover all the civilian deaths the Western "democracies" caused all over the globe from 1945 on. Let's start with napalm in Vietnam. OK?

@Strzelec35

If this war has shown anything, it's that Russia's conventional military isn't the bad ass we thought it was. Russia's strength seems to reside squarely in its nuclear arsenal. If they lob a nuke into a NATO country, guess what happens? We (being the US and other NATO) reciprocate, which royally screws all of us, Russia included.

I like that "into a NATO country" which is equal to saying "I don't want you to go swimming" at the South Pole.
What if Russia drops a 1kt micro nuke on Ukraine? What then? ICBMs from Nebraska flying toward Moscow?

How about 2kt? Where is the red line?

But, that so-called promise of NATO to not jump the oder was never a promise, but a meandering theory utter by James Baker. It was never officially agreed on. Pres HW Bush dismissed it out of hand.

PS-I was under the impression it was an actual agreed upon promise, but it was never anything more than a theoretical scenario uttered off the cuff during talks between Baker and Gorby after wall fell.


Has nothing to do with Ukraine. The point here is Russia has unjustifiably invaded a sovereign country without provocation.

Cause Russians have hated the idea of Ukrainians for about 300 years.

Russia is currently undergoing a kind of collective nervous breakdown because the invasion wasn't met with cheering crowds and state propagandists are beocming more and more unhinged.

Doesn't make sense, but read the link rather than expect be taken seriously when it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.


No you can't. you don't raise any substantive arguments (that aren't easily debunked) and you won't look at any of the abundant resources out there that show how out of touch your silly ideas are.

Dismissed. Raise a point based on somehting you've read (with a reference).

Correct. But it has everything with the moral indignation among Russia haters and the implication that Russia is uniquely bad.
No, it is not but the proximity of its enemies is unique. Vietnam was zillion times farther from the US than Ukraine from Russia and the US was able to justify its invasion there and convince so many "democracies" to join the party of the noble.


May I suggest that you discuss this concept with the Israelis and look up "preemptive"?


OK. So would the Russians do with Yegor once the shooting stopped?

@Novichok

You've brought these up before and I've mentioned you should go to your local library and read up on Viet Nam and Israel's wars. My suggestion still stands.

For the purpose of discussing Russia and Ukraine, I know enough about the lies and the duplicity of the American swamp and their never-ending wars.

Do you have anything specific in mind that would change my opinion on these subjects?

Since maf turned stupid, can you take a stab at this question: Why would Russians want to genocide Yegor? Feel free to define "genocide" any way you want. I used that word in my question only because it was used before as Russia's potential actions after the war if they took control of Ukraine.

@Novichok

But, my point is you don't know enough about Israel's early wars and Viet Nam to use them as analogies for Russia invading Ukraine without real provocation.

If I was concerned with changing anyone's opinion I'd go insane.

I'm not familiar with who or what is Yegor. As far as why Russia would want to commit genocide on anyone, I don't know if they do. However, I view Putin as a romantic Russian ideologue, so it'd be conceivable that he'd want to cleanse the Russian world of those in the Russian world who are unfriendly to Russianness. But, I'm not saying that's what Putin wants to do, only proposing a possible answer to your question of why.

And know nothing of the Russian swamp and you refuse to learn. No reason to talk to those who want remain ignorant.

The problem is that this speculation drives heroic idiots to do stupid things - like dying "za ojczyzne" and watching their cities in ruins. Other than that, it could be a very interesting theme for a debate by the eggheads who like wine and cheese refreshments after they exchange the obligatory pleasantries.


I know enough about the 1967 and 1973 pre-emptive strikes by Isreal and the general idea that when a person or a state is threatened, nice rules go out the window, It's the stupid American movies that demand the good guys to be always fired on first to give them the justification to fire back and to please the kids watching this crap. I see the same idiocy here with all that "right", "just", and other such stupidities.

Plus Geneva. Sure, every Russian should have a video camera on him and two Human Rights lawyers right behind him.


He is a guy I gave birth to earlier today who doesn't give a fu*ck if it's Z or a friend of P's as long as he can go to work and support his family. Unfortunately, the flag wavers turn him into a hero and, later, into a dead one.


You bailed out on Yegor so save me those teaching moments.

guys listen at 3:23 here:

youtube.com/watch?v=lQB0B6L3ews

Donbass in desper


post #7,594 has a link that explains why he should care (since the Russian state wants him dead).


Can't teach someone who refuses to learn. Start reading some of the links I so graciously bestow upon you or admit that you prefer to wallow in your ignorance.

here's that link again, it explains in detail what Russia wants to do in Ukraine

twitter.com/W_Kononczuk/status/1510923871641387014

It was done already and you can see the results.


You mean now? Or later - after the invasion ends?


It went beyond "collateral damage" though. We're discussing war crimes now.

I can't find peace since yesterday, I can't stop thinking about it... Especially that more is known now, more details...:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/rzez-w-buczy-to-poczatek-to-co-odkryjemy-w-kolejnych-dniach-wstrzasnie-swiatem-6754888833870368a

My translation of two fragments from the article:

"Earlier on soldiers made a ghastly discovery. On the Kyiv-Zhytomyr route, just some tens of kilometers from the capital bodies of five women were found. They were naked, put in a pile and burned.

It's hard to imagine what kind of hell they went through before death. Raped, killed, burned - said Andriy Capliyenko, Ukrainian war correspondent."

"The findings in Bucha are terrifying, but the world will shudder at what you can see in Hostomel. I have a verified information about wives of soldiers who were kidnapped, brutally raped for two days and then publicly hanged. This crime is already being investigated by the Ukrainian prosecutor's office. We can only hope that the perpetrators didn't have time to burn the bodies of their victims. There's a well-founded suspicion that the mobile crematoriums, brought along by Russians, weren't meant for burning the bodies of soldiers, but to cover up their war crimes - said father Vasil."

Some of the photos from the article (the first photo shows burned bodies of a whole family, including kids, the second photo looks like a burned naked woman on a pile of other bodies, the third - a man with no eyes):

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And I thought I was the only one.

The three members of the AFU that murdered Russian soldiers with their hands tied behind their backs have been identified: Georgian Teimuraz Khizanishvili, Ukrainian Alexey Antonyuk and alleged Belarusian of Ukrainian origin Kutsirin Alexey..

twitter.com/meatballsubzero/status/1511290505027485702

18+

twitter.com/Mastersepar/status/1511161422805413889

Ukrainians are being carried away by NATO media and propaganda. They liquidate the prisoners in front of the cameras quite openly.

t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/1170

Ukraine army committing war crimes on camera. Several Russian POW have been executed, they are on the ground with their hands tied on their backs. Graphic evidence.

t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/1177

War criminals from the Ukrainian Army, from previous video.

t.me/swodki/61217

The Russians have already identified them.

Jesus Christ:

msn.com/pl-pl/wiadomosci/swiat/irpie%C5%84-rosjanie-gwa%C5%82cili-i-torturowali-kilkuletnie-dzieci-znaleziono-cia%C5%82a/ar-AAVSL41?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=16aa065902c5491c9fec2050a4f8d000

A quote from the article:

In Irpin bodies of children below the age of 10 have been found with signs of rape and torture. Numerous cases of torture on civillians have been recorded on territories liberated from the Russian occupation"


My guess is that they're driven by the thirst for revenge for what Russian soldiers are doing to their people and their country. A wild guess... I know (sarcasm).


I'm sorry, Crnogorac3, but as bad as killing prisoners of war is... Killing civillians, raping women, torturing civillians, raping, torturing and killing kids is simply... worse. I can somewhat understand taking revenge on enemy soldiers, whether those are Ukrainians or Russians... But murdering civillians at random? Raping, torturing and murdering women and kids??

WTF IS WRONG WITH RUSSIANS???

WTF is wrong with the naive morons that believe anything they are told by the lying scum with a vested interest in their lies?

Did you believe in "babies being thrown out of incubators" - the story that the bi*ch told the world at the UN? You probably had tears in your eyes.

How about those WMDs? Did you say "how awful? Let's go get them!"

Now, I am not claiming that there are no dead women and kids in Ukraine. (1) We don't know who did it. (2) If it's the Russians, Z-hole knew that Russians do such things but ignored it and instead of agreeing to the neutrality of Ukraine, barked at the bear as his Western masters demanded.

What an as*hole.

My question still stands: if the Russians were successful, what would change in Yegor's life? Yegor stands for what we call an average Joe.

I know why nobody wants to answer it. It's because you all know damn well that the answer is: nothing. Yeap, Z-P=0. Life would go on just the same. But you can't admit it because that would make dying for bullsh*it hard to explain, especially to the kids.

Your problem with me is that I lived under Soviet "occupation" and I know that nothing then was worth dying for.

Western "democracies" lie in a very special way - by omission. They are successful since lies by omission are actually harder to detect than the hard, in-your-face kind. Here are three examples:

Litvinenko case - Russia was declared guilty before any investigation, sanctioned, but no coroner inquest is published, and total secrecy in court.
Skripals case - Russia was declared guilty before any investigation, sanctioned, but no verifiable proof was published.
Navalny case - laughable, but Russia was declared guilty and sanctioned. No proof or medical data were provided to Russia by Germany.

Do you, children, see the pattern? Well, at least you know how to lie now.

Just one more thing...If anything, Russians were told to be on their best behavior and avoid killing civilians as much as possible. The relatively low civilian casualties are a good clue. Or is it the case of "evil but incompetent"? Which one is it?

Stop wasting our time with your lies. There was overwhelming evidence against Russia in all those 3 cases.


Another lie. Germany offered to share the evidence with Russia, but Russia never bothered to respond because they of course knew who ordered the hit.

This is all you contribute to this thread. Lies, distortions and deflections. Your only saving grace that it is entertaining to prove you wrong again and again.

yea but despite all that why are polish chicks so racist toward ukrainian ones in places like warsaw or lodz?