Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

@Novichok
Now its about getting even for things done in WW2? This is a new reason for the war. Brilliant statement for a mentally handicapped moron.

Putin has not right to demand or ask for any legal document of any sort from Ukraine as he has no right to invade Ukraine, or commit the crimes that his armies are committing in Ukraine. Period. The US and NATO have no right to sign a document that obligates Ukraine to anything.

Will Russia keep Crimea? Probably. The other two regions likely not. They can move all the Russians there back to Russia. Z is not obligated to give anything to P. Why would anyone give anything to P? They can keep destroying the Russian army and weaken it for the next decade. Crushing the economy at the same time. The rebuild of Ukraine will cost Russia too because they will either pay for it, or sanctions will continue until the rebuild is complete. This in the end, is the end for Russia.

There is the bloody war in Ukraine....and then there is that:

It becomes clearer with every day of suffering in Ukraine that Russia's war has not only exposed the cravenness of Merkel/Schröder/Steinmeier, but of Germany's entire political and public media establishment, which now faces a legitimacy crisis of a scale not seen since WW2.

twitter.com/MKarnitschnig/status/1511826269943517184

So absolutely necessary and overdue....but it seems changes of that scale need a catastrophe first!

Exactly.

It's more than just naivety and gullibility of German politicians. At least part of your political class was definitely corrupted by Russians.

Russia has less money than the West, but there is also less democratic control over it, so throughout years they spent billions to corrupt politicians all over the West. It's time to bring some long needed justice on them.

*nods*

This war brings so many changes....but not the one's Putin hoped for me thinks!

Russian mental disorders.

Since you won't read the article by Timofey Sergeystev published April 3, by the state-owned Russian news agency RIA News, I'll quote from a rather pertinent part of it:

"Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely the majority - has been mastered and drawn into the Nazi regime in its politics. That is when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its measures, and the fact itself is its subject matter."

So that justifies the 'punishment' of the Ukrainian people by Russian invaders. And indeed that's covered in the article too:

"In addition to the top, a significant part of the masses, which are passive Nazis, accomplices of Nazism, are also guilty. They supported and indulged Nazi power. The just punishment of this part of the population is possible only as bearing the inevitable hardships of a just war against the Nazi system,"

"The social "bog", which actively and passively supported it by action and inaction, must survive the hardships of the war and assimilate the experience as a historical lesson and atonement for its guilt."

And after they've been punished, then they will learn to become Russian:

"Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of self-identification of the population of the territories of historical Little Russia (Malorossiya) and New Russia (Novorossiya), begun by the Soviet authorities."

"The name "Ukraine" apparently cannot be retained"

If you want to know the details of how government of the former Ukraine would be organized you can read the article for yourself.

He was echoing a clear expression of a large majority of the citizenry. So he did as he should. Listened to the people and led.

Contrast the sickly walking carcass of Pootin, holed up who knows where afraid to let even his closest associates within 20 feet of him as he slowly but surely destroys the country for decades to come (and the Russian people are so craven that they dare not oppose him).

Zelenskyy = life and struggle and a better tomorow

Pootin = violence and misery and plunder and an economic abyss

choose your side.

PIS had no problem with making very sweeping educational reforms very quickly when it suited them. I'm sure they can meet the challenge. In the meantime, schools can and will find a way round it. The most important thing right now is for children to feel welcome and to be treated with kindness. That will make them feel integrated more than the material on the curriculum.

youtube.com/watch?v=Dm0DVkgiw5U

It seems to me that the German political establishment has a lot in common with the Russian army (besides have sworn loyalty oaths to Pootin).

Both were assumed to be highly efficient at doing their jobs and a war has shown them to be hollowed out husks, both victims of Russian corruption (and in the case of the German establishment its own short-sighted greed).

In the thread by Galeev I linked he talks about insular self-congratulatory systems without any real outside monitoring.

Massive changes have to come before Germany can be taken seriously again.

They have to _finally_ prioritize their neighbors (like France, Italy and Poland) over Russia... is that too much to ask for?

*nods*

We thought we were a well run, successful country....we were proud of our peaceful wealth, "Wandel durch Handel" seemed like such a good answer of a new Germany to the madness of WWII and the Holocaust.

This belief, this wishful thinking, is understandable with our past...but in hindsight unforgivable!

We fed a monster....and said monster had it easy here!

Sometimes I can't help thinking that the war in Ukraine is for Putin the try to change what happened in 1989.....and what is now happening in Germany will change what happened since 1945.

As if this war will somehow replay/change thought long finished european history....but what hadn't truly been over and finished, not really....

thehill.com/opinion/national-security/597503-no-the-war-in-ukraine-is-not-about-nato/


No, it hasn't. Russia's wars for territory and influence and Russian military interventions since 1990:

1990 - Black January also known as Black Saturday or the January Massacre in Azerbaijan

1990 - bombings in Latvia perpetrated by the Soviet military

1991 - Soviet intervention in Latvia (known as The Barricades)

1991 - Soviet military intervention in Lithuania (known as the January Events)

1991 - Soviet military intervention during Singing Revolution in Estonia

1992 - Russian intervention in Transnistria War. Today, the government of Moldova views the presence of Russian troops as illegitimate and has called for their withdrawal and replacement by international forces.

1992-1993 - War in Abkhazia

1994 - Battle of Grozny - covert attempt by Russian Intelligence services to oust the Chechen government of Dzhokhar Dudayev, by seizing the Chechen capital of Grozny. The fighting subsided after the first 10 hours, with the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria decisively repelling the assault.

1994 - 1996 - The First Chechen War

1999 - The Second Chechen War

2008 - The Russo-Georgian War

2014 - Russia's annexation of Crimea and supporting separatists in the East of Ukraine

2015 - present - Russian military intervention in the Syrian civil war

2022 - Russian-led military intervention in Kazakhstan

2022 - The invasion of Ukraine


That's the most profound Poland-ball comic strip I've seen so far... Very good, BB.

....it's not "mine" though! :)

It has gotten the most gifted awards and uplikes from viewers in the shortest amount of time I have ever seen at "Polandball"....

Not military exactly but there's also the tuzla island conflict (first Putin attempt to steal Ukrainian land)....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Tuzla_Island_conflict

New video has emerged that adds to mounting evidence of atrocities carried out while Russia's military occupied the suburban town of Bucha, northwest of Kyiv.

The video shows a cyclist moving along a street in Bucha, dismounting and walking a bicycle around the corner onto a street occupied by Russian soldiers. As soon as the cyclist rounds the turn, a Russian armored vehicle fires several high-caliber rounds along the thoroughfare. A second armored vehicle fires two rounds in the direction of the cyclist. A plume of dust and smoke rises from the scene.

The video is aerial footage recorded by Ukraine's military in early March when Russian forces still held the town. It has been independently verified by The New York Times.

Weeks later, after Russia withdrew from Bucha, a body in civilian clothes was filmed beside a bicycle in this precise location in a second video verified by The Times. The body, with one leg mangled, lies behind a concrete utility pillar that has collapsed from an apparent strike. The damage to the pillar is consistent with high-caliber ammunition. The person's clothing - a dark blue top and lighter pants - matches the cyclist's attire.

Full details here:

nytimes.com/2022/04/05/world/europe/bucha-shooting-video.html

Well, in his annual state of the nation address in 2005 Putin lamented the collapse of the USSR in 1991, calling it "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century". It made Poles (and I imagine that not only them) nervous.

And read this - an article from December 2021:

Putin rues Soviet collapse as demise of 'historical Russia':

reuters.com/world/europe/putin-rues-soviet-collapse-demise-historical-russia-2021-12-12/

"Putin's comments, released by state TV on Sunday, are likely to further fuel speculation about his foreign policy intentions among critics, who accuse him of planning to recreate the Soviet Union and of contemplating an attack on Ukraine, a notion the Kremlin has dismissed as fear-mongering.

(...)

"It was a disintegration of historical Russia under the name of the Soviet Union," Putin said of the 1991 breakup

(...)

Ukraine was one of 15 Soviet republics and Putin used a lengthy article published on the Kremlin website this year to set out why he believed Russia's southern neighbour and its people were an integral part of Russian history and culture. This view is rejected by Kyiv as a politically motivated and over-simplified version of history.

(...)

The Kremlin has said Russia has no plans to launch a fresh attack on Ukraine and that the West appears to have convinced itself of Moscow's aggressive intentions based on what it calls false Western media stories."


Greedy bastards... As if they didn't have enough land... :(

Putin was during that time in Dresden.....for the KGB.....imagine working on your career, believing in the cause...even if not at least never wasting a thought that the mighty Sovietunion could ever fall....but then living through it. Party time for millions....but you are losing everything!

He got never over it....

bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222


...The answer he received was a devastating, life-changing shock.

"We cannot do anything without orders from Moscow," the voice at the other end replied. "And Moscow is silent."

That phrase, "Moscow is silent" has haunted this man ever since......

Sky's Mark Austin will interview Vladimir Putin's press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, at 5pm GMT today. You can watch it via the YouTube stream on Sky's blog.

Unbelievable how Germany and Russia interacted with each other.....depending on each other....influencing each other.....one wouldn't be what he is without the other...for the good and bad....for decades and even centuries....it boggles the mind sometimes!

..."I think it's the key to understanding Putin," says his German biographer, Boris Reitschuster. "We would have another Putin and another Russia without his time in East Germany."...


Maf, I'm not sure if that is terminable so easily....to concentrate more on our other neighbours....as we should....

Wow, BB, thanks for that link... I had no idea that Putin's fear of "colourful revolutions" is that personal.


"Other neighbours"? Russia isn't Germany's neighbour... fortunately (I'm just reminding you, in case you forgot ;P).


Who would want to look at or listen to one of the Mouths of Sauron?:

I know....but it doesn't feel like it.....that is a symptom of the problem!

As Putin invaded Ukraine it was felt deeply here by many...as a kind of nearly personal betrayal by someone trusted and quite close....not as something somebody far away did...

youtu.be/RzGAOo0B0HE
A British journalist totally exposed Zelensky

ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2022/february/25/washingtons-crocodile-tears-over-ukraines-destruction/

It is better to be an enemy of the Americans than their friend. If you are their enemy, they might try to buy you; but if you are their friend they will definitely sell you.

This is an excellent lesson for Poland and Poles.

I never click on any of your links to weird sources, so please provide the name of the journalist so that it can be independently investigated. Btw I notice that it's from 25 February - a lot has happened since then.

As for America, it's not Americans who are murdering Ukrainian people. It's Russians.

Russia needs to be removed from the UN Human Rights Council - what a joke that is, that they're still members. Hopefully that will be achieved later today.

Russia needs to be barred from G20 and failing that, civilised nations should boycott the G20 summit.

The real problem is that Russia should no longer be on the UN Security Council and they obviously can't be removed due to their power of veto.

Boy was he wrong!


And this:

...Whether America and the EU like it or not, the era of ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality" is well and truly over....

Why would you believe the rest? It's an opinion which was already outdated at the time of its publication, February 25...

The West never acted closer, the NATO is glowing with new and added importance....Ukraine was never as cheered and adored and respected as right now.....all thanks to Putins invasion, who put this nation and its leader well and truly on the global map!

...as Aragorn of our times?:

youtu.be/EXGUNvIFTQw


Unlike Ukraine, Poland is in NATO.


But Americans aren't "selling" Ukraine, are they now :) And that's what upsets you :)

Very wise. I don't click on his links either. He supports child-raping russian "army", so you never know what will be under the link. One might click on the link and find child pornography there.

Good rule: never click on links provided by those who support pedophile rapists of children. Never.

Story in the Times on "Merkel's toxic legacy"

thetimes.co.uk/article/b4091c94-b598-11ec-8ba8-f6bf3099f5f6?shareToken=1a3e6883988c2e2f7cfdf68d96de0692

It occurs to me that this catastrophic failure of the German political establishment (over decades, reallly) could pose a bigger danger to the continued existence of the EU than Brexit ever could.

What country wants to be in an organization where Germany has so much power?

As you failed to reply in a timely fashion, I did my own investigating and he's not British - God, you really are so ignorant!! Can you not tell the difference between an American and an English accent??, Well no, obviously you can't. He was foreign policy adviser to an American congressman. Pretty much irrelevant outside of the USA, but hilarious that you tagged him as British.

Putin and friends would be happy!

LePen is running her election campaign with promises to leave EU and NATO and join Putin.....would that be better for Europe?

Really? Germany is the worst?

As for the article:


I can't help thinking now that this fact played a bigger role than anyone could imagine and was totally ignored...till now...

I mean I'm an Ossi too, born and grown up in East-Berlin behind the wall, but.....

@Ziemowit
If this is true and provable I can make something happen pretty quickly.

You know maf, could you please stop using this war as an excuse to vent your germanophobia? You don't see people here using the Iraq war as a tool to disparage the entirety of the UK and disregard everything they did, despite the fact that it was never properly reckoned with in the UK. Especially in the light of the UKs past and current failings regarding Ukraine (failing to defend the Budapest memorandum, helping to wash Oligarch money and barely helping refugees).

In all this, Germany turned out to be a completely foolish poodle. First they said there would be no sanctions, so they imposed sanctions. Then they said we would not exclude Russian banks from SWIFT, so they excluded. Now the story is this with the purchase of rubles in Gazprombank in exchange for gas, I would not be really surprised if tomorrow they themselves impose sanctions to ban it. It is completely devastating that the fvcking administrator from the treasury vault has more balls than them not to agree to everything he is told. Germany is a complete zero. An ordinary vassal, especially with this government.

It is a classic fear, nothing else. The Bundeskanzler knows perfectly well that the NSA records all his conversations on the phone, watches what he surfs on the internet, records conversations from his office, private conversations, read all emails.

That's what the Americans are doing to them, they are systematically destroying them. If the former DDR had survived to this day under the Russians, it would have been a picture of normalcy versus the BRD, and they even had a better anthem.

youtu.be/dIh1eOw0zV8