Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

OK, I am totally convinced that Ukrainians had absolutely nothing to do with those rapes and murders. They are simply incapable and there are no records of any such crimes against Poles or Russians. Whatever can be found on Wikipedia or anywhere else are just vicious KGB, FSB, and Putin's lies.

Also, the allegations that Ukraine joined German Nazis way back are false, too. You, Poles, should drink less.

Try to focus on the present day for a bit.


I've read in some article that the unit apparently responsible for the massacre in Bucha was sent back to Russia only for a bit and then they sent it to the East of Ukraine, so I guess there will be an opportunity... I'm just worried that those psychos will do in the East what they did in Bucha :(

This is this unit's commander:

o2.pl/informacje/stoi-za-masakra-w-buczy-dotarli-do-jego-danych-6754504816622112a

o2.pl/informacje/rzeznik-z-buczy-zdemaskowany-przed-inwazja-zostal-poblogoslawiony-6755254539516544a?fbclid=IwAR0hea6bPTxhcztmAEJom4JG4Z4Aj9-NUT4vPIbkRQf0QBET3PbwrbSHoSs

From a tweet by Giorgi Revishvili :

"Reportedly, one of the brigades that tortured, raped and killed people in #Bucha - unit 51460 from the village of Knyaze-Volkonskoye, Khabarovsk Krai, #Russia. Commander of the unit is Lt Colonel Omurbekov Azatbek Asanbekovich."

Art by Igor Kurilin:

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Glad to see that you are starting to see sense, Milo said sarcastically. ....


Now, by bringiing up ancient history, you are making a fool of yourself.

Rich, I respect you on many levels, but on Russia v Ukraine, you are just sounding idiotic.

Yes, the ones in Bucha (and similar cases in Ukraine at present) are clearly the work of Russian 'soldiers' and references to past crimes by completely different Ukrainians in completely different circumstances are irrelevant and ignored by the sane.

And are verified as such.

If russians are alleging crimes elsewhere by any other country, let them collect evidence and lodge a complaint at The Hague.

Bucha atrocities are a good example of RuSSists` plans for Ukraine. Now Ukrainians have no choice but fight tooth and nail until they get rid of RuSSist murderers from their soil.

@mafketis

This has been the Russian MO for decades.

@jon357

Russians always lie, but like children....stupid, pathetic lies....
They need to find evidence that they are not guilty.
Good luck with that one you Russian animals!

Many European nations have commited atrocities, I am thinking mainly of Germans, Serbs and Croats, but others were guilty too.
But the difference between them and Russians is that their madness was short lived.....they were only insane for a few years,.
Russia has been insane for decades......

There is no statute of limitations for murder. Russia has every moral right to get even - and some - for the atrocities perpetrated by the Ukrainian Hitler lovers and at the time of its choosing. They picked now. If that was "ancient history", give me the legal definition of "ancient". Is one week ancient or not yet? Is 2008 ancient?


Because the USSR and the US made it short.
You forgot Japs - those highly educated human wonders who would eat body parts carved out of the US POWs.

Now it's official - you're seriously sick in the head.


Yes.

Art by Simonov Dmitry:

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Yes.

In this debate it is.

OK, I get it, you hate American politicians.
Why do you have to take your hatred of them out on innocent Ukrainian civilians?

Answer the question and don't do a johnny reb......

Do you include Crimea?

Czechia has already sent its post Soviet tanks to Ukraine.
Now it is Poland`s turn. Not only tanks - also WASP surface to air missile systems or HAIL multi rocket launchers. And CARNATION self-propelled 122-mm howitzers.

One thing is for sure - the weapons we deliver today for free will save us billions of dollars in the future.


No, Ukrainians will give it up.

Agreed!

Yes. Very much so. And they will save trillions of pounds worth of human misery.


In going where other NATO states have been (understandably) reluctant, the Czech Republic has certainly set a very positive precedence for others. I suspect their decision took place after a lot of consultation.

Easy. You can't give up what you don't have. Crimea is no longer on the table for any negotiations.


As long as those are Polish billions, I am all for it.


I am still very emotional about all the deaths Western "democracies" caused since 1950. That's why.

That is totally illogical.

Then was rhen.Now is now.

You need to see sense and quick, because you appear to be a pure, unadulterated supporter of Putin's actions, which I know that you are not.

Quite.

When there are mass executions and people still missing from Mariupol, including children, it is not a time for trying to play Devil's advocate.

There are people reading this who have missing relatives.

Only in the court of law. Here - everything matters because this is a place where pussified and ignorant men-girls congregate.
Take a deep breath and compare an existential threat to a country like Russia - no, it's not your call to decide what is and what is not an existential threat to them - with even a hundred raped and murdered civilians - assuming that it was the Russians who did it.

The Russian are barbarians argument cuts both ways. If that's so, Z-hole had no business saying no to their demands - only to show his surprised face for a photo op. Instead, the idiot wants heroes and to fight to the last man minus 1 - him.

There he goes again.

Crude language, and no point made except for an attempt at low-grade trolling.

Meanwhile, President Zelensky is probably the second-most respected head of state in the world right now.

That's not your call. If Putin, Gorbachev, and Xi say it's about and Milo says it's not about NATO, it's about NATO.

This can be tested very simply.

Have the US, Ukraine, and Russia sign a treaty to forever deny Ukraine's application to NATO and see what the Russians would do. They could add a clause that this treaty would be null and void if the Russian forces are not removed from Ukraine by a certain date. Zero risk.

BTW, that imperialistic Russia has been in territorial retreat since 1990. The snake, NATO, has been in expansion mode since 1990. Legalities aside, at least use the word "imperialism" consistently with its meaning.

President Duda said that it's "hard to deny" that Russian forces are committing genocide in Ukraine following the horrific images that have emerged from cities like Bucha showing civilians brutally killed.

"It is hard to deny this, of course.
This is a crime which fulfills the features of a genocide, especially if you look at the context of different conversations that are being conducted," Duda told CNN's Dana Bash in an exclusive interview in Warsaw today.

I am still waiting for Z to tell us what specific Russian demands he cannot agree to. Instead, I am getting speeches about "freedom" and "victory" plus pictures.

Western mental disorders on display...From mirror.co.ok:
Vladimir Putin 'wants to build pro-Russia empire from Vladivostok to Portugal'
and this from AP:
Kyiv was a Russian defeat for the ages. The fight started poorly for the invaders and went downhill from there.

Go figure. Idiots. They forgot the moon and Saturn as the next Russian targets.

Actually I just read an article on the things Poland is doing to prepare in case of a Russian invasion.
I was impressed.

You're ignorant of Russian history.

After the Bolshevik revolution the Russians formed an army and moved west with the intent of liberating all of Western Europe. The Russian Army was stopped at Warsaw by the Poles (c. 1920-1922). The problem isn't Putin as much as the Russian people. They're a medieval race still living in the era of Catherine the Great who by the way was German.

What the hell does a quote from Mirror have to do with my ignorance of Russian history? Is everybody on PF mentally challenged aka nuts?

Putin wanted a legally binding document to assure Ukraine's neutrality. He didn't get it so he went for the next best thing: he wrecked the country without ever intending to control the whole place and be stuck with the repair bills. That is why the Russian tanks were seen leaving the Kiyv area. It is clear that Russia will keep Donbas and other places in the Eastern part of the country. Russia and Putin cannot possibly afford to go home with nothing.

When the shooting stops, Ukraine and the West will have a very expensive cleanup and rebuilding ahead of them. This will make the question of joining NATO moot for a long time. The "don't fu*ck" with me" message will have some lasting value, too.

Just as the covid Gestapos, as a bonus, he found out what he can get away with in the future. Judging from the reactions - a lot.

No, I am not for killing and raping so keep that jar of chill pill handy.

What is interesting. Portugal and western European countries anyway don`t have resources to survive without Russia. So, brat Vlad have even legitimate right to decide about them.

Would Putin show mercy and accept them? or he may give them to USA so States can feed them?

My dear, western Europe today is like unwanted child. Ugly unwanted child.

But you do support the russian army, who are doing the killing and raping, in their war against Ukraine. You should, therefore, excuse the people on this board who fail to see the difference.

Oh... I get it... you wanted russia to conquer Ukraine without commiting any rape or murder? Well, in that case I have to say that your level of naivety is closer to that of an 8-year-old boy, not an 80-year-old granpa. Although... there is this senility thing which sometimes allows us to put the equal sign between 8 and 80. Hmm... maybe that's what's happening here.

Let`s no hurry to point finger. It may be war-propaganda.

And what if not?

Then Russia is no better then western Europe and USA. For starter.

But, we wait. Maybe mad Zelensky and Klichko ordering killing of civilians for propaganda effort. Or maybe NATO killing civilians.

Let`s wait.