Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Why do you assume that??

Stop deflecting and discuss the issue at hand, what's happening now in Ukraine.

THINGS THE MEDIA WON'T SHOW YOU.THE CHILDREN KILLED BY THE UKRANIAN FORCES IN DONBASS BEFORE THE WAR

bitchute.com/video/RxwkXeTU0lKD/

Please don't pretend to care about dead children. You don't. They are simply a propaganda tool for you, you disgusting object. And in the west we have access to ALL the information about what goes on in eastern Ukraine, on both sides.

"There is no doubt that summary killings and atrocities are being committed by both pro-Russian separatists and pro-Kyiv forces in Eastern Ukraine, but is difficult to get an accurate sense of the scale of these abuses. It is likely that many have not yet been exposed and that others have been deliberately misrecorded. It is also clear that some of the more shocking cases that have been reported, particularly by Russian media, have been hugely exaggerated," said John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia Director at Amnesty International.

amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/10/eastern-ukraine-conflict-summary-killings-misrecorded-and-misreported/

I know you won't bother to read even the full text of this post, let alone follow the link to Amnesty. That's because you're not interested in truth or justice.

I should make it clear that the above quote from Amnesty International refers solely to the 'Eastern Ukraine Conflict' and not to the present war.

twitter.com/KwonGoD1/status/1512482771368873984
Russian soldiers boast about raping children. And they throw rape videos on social media.

Igor Sushko (translator of the FSB letters which have several times outlined scenarios that later occurred) has a new one.

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1512697187821490176

shorter version: Russia might be planning domestic false flag attacks, similar the apartment building bombs in Moscow which many regard as a Pootin orchestrated false flag....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

Most people here close eyes when you show them this. Shock therapy is imminent.

will you shut up with your propaganda and lies? Let me tell you only one thing - the USA might not be above reporach and things like greed and power and domination are on play, there some indevasible acts from a point of view of ethick or morality.

However we are the same civilization and all those issues and problems aside what our civilization brings for most of the people are relative freedom, prosperity and means to better ourslefs and be treated like a human being more often than not. Is not perfect but is much better than anywhere in the world.

In Russia you are a slave, a number, nobody care about you unless you are on the top, once you there you can do what you want and the horde will cheer you up. It is not even a civilization, it is a horde that has low standard of living in most places, you have no rights, not even a toilet in the house.

It is a sinnister civilization of rotten people who don't know what honor, morality or decency is. I mean there are some individuals but they are exception to the rule and in case of some imperialistic war of aggresion like now, there called traitors and kicked to the curb.

So don't talk that talk. You are not living in Russian and you know very little about Russia, what you think you know is your whisful thinking not reality.

So stop your ignorant drivel. I guess you are another apologist for Russia posting from Europe or USA. Move to Russia and post from there - then I will listen to what you say. Right know you are a big smelly hypocrtie and a coward.

Maybe paid troll but that even worse.

You're quite the master at closing your own eyes and ears to anything other than fake images and false stories spread by evil people with an agenda.

I know this might shock some people here... but when Russia said they don't have/use tochka missiles.... it might sort of be the case that they were being less than 100% truthful (some may need to retire to their fainting couches, I know)

twitter.com/KremlinTrolls/status/1512802595441631236

You need shock therapy that for sure!

Sadly, this seems normal behaviour for them.

Much the same with Serbians who operated rape camps and massacred children.


If a russist spokesperson says something officially, the opposite is usually true.


Who was 'ok' with it. I can't think of anyone here, except perhaps you, that thinks the russian-backed atrocities in Syria and eastern Ukraine or the Iranian-backed atrocities in Yemen were 'ok'.

Then he's stupid.


The higher you are the more painful the fall is. The bigger the ego, the more it hurts. That's what I've learned from the example of Germany, Russia and Serbia.

"Humiliation"? "Borders"? Poland was completely wiped out of the map and ruled over by three different empires, including Prussia. Imagine how that hurt and the amount of humiliation! And yet Poland didn't murder 6 million people in concentration camps, as if they were less than animals, because of a hurt ego and humiliation, like Germany did. Poles didn't start ethnic cleansing and set up rape camps like Serbs did. Poland doesn't invade it's neighbours for some insane reasons like Russia did to Ukraine.

Yes, I understand (somewhat) all the psychological reasons for Germany's, Serbia's and Russia's moral fall. I can somewhat understand where the Ukrainian hate for Poles came from and the resulting massacres on Poles (like Volhynia massacre). I "understand" in the sense that I know the reasons. Just like I know what the psychological reasons for Russians are these days. But I still can't comprehend it. I'm sorry, but certain things are simply beyond comprehension for normal people.

At different times in their history Germans, Ukrainians, Serbs and Russians descended into evil. Poles who were killing Jews in my city in the summer of 1946 descended into evil. I understand that there was probably a psychological backround to what they did and I'm sure they had their "reasons", but I don't care about those "reasons". What they did was evil. Period.

And what Crow wrote is evil.

I'm starting to understand why Germany was so lenient to Putin. But that's wrong, BB. You shouldn't turn a blind eye to obvious evil. You should name it and name those who support it.


I'm afraid you can't reason with such people. That's why they have to be stopped, not reasoned with.

Just in case anybody is not aware, sirens will sound all over Poland tomorrow morning at 8:41 to commemorate Smolensk. I thought I'd mention it in case anyone doesn't know about it and thinks it's an air raid. A pity they're doing this. Seems very insensitive to the Ukrainian refugees, especially the children.

There are calls for an "Untersuchungsausschuss".....but sind most of them are still in power I fear that has to wait!

Plan is perfect.

@Paulina
This is where the similarity between Hitler and Putin is perfectly aligned. Nations could not reason with Hitler, and when they did, he lied. Putin is the same. No one would have negotiated the end of WW@ with Hitler at any time, and no one should negotiate with Putin. The Russians should be defeated in Ukraine and kept under sanctions until Putin is dead. Nothing less will do.

That's that's one of the more sensible comments here.

Do you think Ukrainians (military, not civilians who have no legal obligation to take prisoners of war) should be cut some slack for acts of revenge against uniformed russians in the light of russian atrocities in Ukraine? I do.

It's a tough one. Their actions would be completely understandable but you can't allow professional soldiers to ignore the Geneva Convention with impunity. Executing a POW, even one accused of a war crime, without a proper trial by a military tribunal, is in itself a war crime.

The difference is that if there were single cases of murder or rape in those countries, then the culpable soldiers were tried and sentenced whilst russia is denying that any crimes are even commited by their "army".

I don't recall American or British troops shooting civilians en masse in captured towns (and we've seen video evidence of russians doing just that). I don't recall American or British troops abducting 10-year-old girls and gang raping them; or raping 11-year-old boys in front of their mothers, or writing "for children" on rockets that were fired on purpose at children awaiting evacuation. That's the difference.

Another thing that I find vomit-inducing in pedophile russian murderers and the pubic lice supporting them is that there isn't even a single shard of remorse in them. They will equivocate, lie and even justify the most despicable crimes like gang rapes on small children in front of their parents. Someone mentioned demons here - they are not demons, they are cowardly vermin.

Putin says coronavirus was part of the biological weapons program in Ukraine.

twitter.com/jonesterry514/status/1512371449641803777

What about the extinction of dinosaurs? Is there any way Ukraine can be blamed for that too?

A least a few cities aren't participating for just that reason, which is, I think, appropriate.

So therefore untrue.


As far as I know, those rules apply to military rather than civilians who don't have an obligation to take POWs.

I'd argue that regardless of whatever doc they'd had to sign, the men suddenly called up to defend their country 6 weeks ago are civilians and cannot be expected to be familiar with the laws and customs of the military, nor do they, as untrained civilians, necessarily have the ability to detain groups of trained killers.

@GefreiterKania, you're spot on in your post #7,942.


No, I don't think so. I mean that the Ukrainian authorities and the chain of military command shouldn't be cutting them some slack. We can in the comfort of our armchairs, but they shouldn't. Because God knows how it would end. I'm sure there will be acts of revenge - it's inevitable after Bucha, Irpin, Hostomel, etc. And I would understand if a father of a 6-year-old girl who was raped, tortured and murdered by Russian soldiers took revenge on the soldiers whom could be identified as the perpetrators. But Ukrainian soldiers shouldn't be taking revenge on random Russian soldiers. Judging by how many desertions we're hearing about and refusals to join the invasion there may by many Russians who don't want to be in Ukraine.

For example, I know of a Russian who lives in Canada and who has a brother in GRU Spetsnaz. She's against the invasion on Ukraine and so is her Spetsnaz brother. But he said he has to follow orders and he really didn't have a choice. However, he refuses to cause harm to civillians because he thinks it's just not morally right.

I think Ukrainian soldiers should differentiate between such soldiers and those Russian beasts from Bucha, Irpin, Hostomel, Mariupol, etc. Although I realise it won't be easy. And as for those beasts... I wouldn't blame the Ukrainians for not taking prisoners in that case... but... wouldn't it be better if they were brought in front of the Hague tribunal and judged like the Nazis in Nuremberg? I don't know, as Atch wrote - that's a tough one.


Yes, indeed. Also, I think it's better for Ukrainians to have a moral upper hand. It's better not only from the moral point of view, but also for practical reasons. Because of being the good guys Ukrainians have the sympathy and support of the world's public. And it's the public that's often pressuring their governments to help Ukraine (who should start helping more now, imho).


Exactly.

A good point of view, however it's worth remembering that I asked about civilians rather than military. Civilians don't have any legal or moral obligation to take trained killers as prisoners of war (and generally have neither the training nor the facilities to do so).

@jon357, I thought you meant the military:

@Paulina
Ooh no. The military definitely have to treat POWs well.

There have been a few incidents of POWs being filmed or photographed and uploaded to Telegram which is also against the Geneva Convention however that is a minor thing.

There was a film clip doing the rounds allegedly showing russisn POWs being mistreated however the film is questionable and appeared to originate with russia. Plus, one of the supposed Ukrainian soldiers in the video was wearing the Ukrainian flag upside down which suggests it was russian disinformation.

My point is that civilians don't have the same obligations and that reprisals are understandable under the circumstances. Anger and rage are powerful things and Ukrainians very much have the right to be extremely angry at what has been done to them, their lives and their families' wellbeing.

I'd cut the militia some slack too, since they're basically civilians who are unequipped to deal with trained killers.

What's happening in Borodyanka ?
Investigators said they found 26 bodies amid destroyed buildings and locations in Borodyanka this week.
Zelenskyy said the situation in Borodyanka is "much worse" compared to what happened in Bucha so be prepared girls.
He emphasized that, "It's significantly more dreadful there with many more civilian victims."
All the video's of the war crimes that have become public are being document in an order of the time of events.
Putin has a lot to answer for before his fair trial and his neck is stretched.

Putin Rolls The Ruble Wheel

brothernathanaelchannel.com/watch_video.php?v=45YHGM8BXH1A

Here is a short news story on the brighter side, in Vermont U.S.A., that I just had to share to brighten your day.

Local Polish food truck donating money to Ukrainian refugees

mynbc5.com/article/local-polish-food-truck-donating-money-to-ukrainian-refugees/39678474