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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



GefreiterKania
17 Apr 2022  #8551

I can only hope that after next Lawrow-Baerbock treaty, Poland will stay on the German side.

That would, of course, be the preferable side.

However, let's not forget that there are more factors in the equation than just Germany and Russia - like the USA for example. :) Don't worry, Alien - things don't look bad for Poland in the current geopolitical configuration. It would be nice if Germans stopped believing Dugin's fairy tales, but even with them trying to discretely throw a medium-sized spanner in the works, things should work out fine in the end. It's 2022, not 1939.

Alien
17 Apr 2022  #8552

I hope so.

Atch
17 Apr 2022  #8553

Some interesting comments from the Austrian chancellor who met with Putin. He's revealed a bit more of the detail of their conversation and to be honest it sounds as though, reading between the lines, he's saying that Putin has gone doo lally. He says that Putin is lost in his own war logic which I would interpret as 'in a world of his own' or as we'd say in Ireland, he's away with the fairies. The problem is that we, observing the war, are thinking rationally, whereas he isn't. So whatever actions/outcomes one might rationally anticipate, you can discount those.

Nehammer says that he told Putin what he'd seen in Bucha and that Putin said he'll cooperate with any international investigation. To be tried by the ICC, soldiers suspected of war crimes would have to be handed over by Russia. However, we know what a liar he is. Let's wait and see.

Atch
17 Apr 2022  #8554

The remains of chemical weapons are reported to have been found in Sumy.

Source: Mayor of Trostianets Yurii Bova, on air on Ukrainske Radio

Quote: "We found traces of chemical weapons in the village of Bilka - sarin and other substances. Ampoules were found. Now the Security Service of Ukraine is working on this. Perhaps the occupiers wanted to use this chemical in Kyiv, Poltava or other cities."

Korvinus
17 Apr 2022  #8555

I hope Russia end this soon and we get nazi Azov defeated.

What are the practical effects of Azov people being nazis? We, the citizens of the Holy Polish Republic, don't seem to engage in any pearl-clutching. It's not like the reports of Azov extremism have eluded us by any means...

jon357
17 Apr 2022  #8556

after next Lawrow-Baerbock treaty, Poland will stay on the German side

I hope Poland will stay on the Polish side.

he's saying that Putin has gone doolally

That American politician, the one from the House intelligence committee said there were things regarding Putler's health that he wishes he could tell people about.

What are the practical effects of Azov people being nazis?

Little or none. They are few in number and Ukraine is not in a position to be choosy right now. In peacetime, there would not be such a battalion.

Cojestdocholery
17 Apr 2022  #8557

hings don't look bad for Poland in the current geopolitical configuration.

Look if Russia finish that war now they can still go back to being cosy with France and Germany.

practical effects of Azov people being nazis?

They say in Germany that in the German Army there mostly nazis and homosexuals.

There is problem with those peasants from Galicja with their Bandera and that BS. Even that insolent thug ambasador of Ukrainie in Poland is from there, I could tell just from his face where he is from.

PolAmKrakow
17 Apr 2022  #8558

Now it is sounding more and more like Putin will go full out on Mariupol. Threatening "complete elimination" of defensive forces there. What does "complete elimination" entail? My bet is this is where he uses chemicals or a tactical nuke. Though he wants to capture the steel yard and its infrastructure, it would not surprise me now if he just went for scorched earth.

jon357
17 Apr 2022  #8559

scorched earth.

This is sadly most likely. Nukes less so, but he'll throw what he can at them.

johnny reb
17 Apr 2022  #8560

"We found traces of chemical weapons in the village of Bilka - sarin and other substances.

Well yeah, we knew that was coming sooner or later to justify dragging NATO into WW3.
I hope you took my advice and bought your iodine pills.

What does "complete elimination" entail?

Well, Covid didn't go as planned so we'll see what they have next for us.
Like a thief in the night, Jesus nears
These are the prophetic signs we are living
Happy Easer for He has Arisen !

Cojestdocholery
17 Apr 2022  #8561

dragging NATO into WW3.

It is already on.

johnny reb
17 Apr 2022  #8562

No, I mean when America's B-21's show Putin where to stack his bottles, when the U.K.'s Royal Airforce targets ever last Russian military weapon in Ukraine.

That will be the start of WW3.
Only then when the Russian people's nose's start bleeding will they remove Putin from power.
And may God show us mercy and end it there.

PolAmKrakow
17 Apr 2022  #8563

@johnny reb
IF the US got involved, and just bombed the F out of the Russian positions, it would be over quickly. Obviously there is risk to that, but calculated risks should be taken in times like this. Lets hope the weapons that are arriving now can reach into more Russian territory. Give them some more of what they have been giving Ukraine and I do not believe Russia will have the stomach for all the losses.

johnny reb
17 Apr 2022  #8564

I suggested that about 300 posts ago.
Rumor is that Putin has cancer and that he wants to come to the Clevland Clinic in the U.S. for treatment.
I heard the Ukranian cancer doctors there are very good at what they do. :-)

Cojestdocholery
17 Apr 2022  #8565

Well, it is official now, Germany will not give up on Russian oil. They claim otherwsie it will be recesion for their economy. I knew it that famous German econmy sucess is due to the cheap Russian gas and oil.

Watch from 8.44.
- Everything clear, its facist boat
- how do you know that?
- Look facist boats they used to mark with the latter Z.

youtu.be/c_ZKVRMpeIs

lol! lol!

Alien
17 Apr 2022  #8566

@Cojestdocholery
But the Polish economy is also based on russian gas and oil.

jon357
17 Apr 2022  #8567

Germany will not give up on Russian

As I've said here, they can't be trusted and are me me me. They think they've a right to have a perpetually growing economy.

Polish economy is also based on russian gas and oil.

Poland is of course more exposed and also keener to reduce those imports.

GefreiterKania
17 Apr 2022  #8568

Germany will not give up on Russian oil

... and Poland will not give up on Russian natural gas.

When certain sanctions would do more harm to a country's economy than they would to Russia, then I suppose other means have to be found.

Novichok
17 Apr 2022  #8569

... and Poland will not give up on Russian natural gas.

Can Russia give up Poland and tell Poland to go shopping for gas somewhere else?

mafketis
17 Apr 2022  #8570

hey think they've a right to have a perpetually growing economy.

They think imposing multi-year recessions on other countries is fine, but refuse any economic sacrifice on their own.

Their biggest ally (and the only country that can rely on them)..... is Russia.

GefreiterKania
17 Apr 2022  #8571

Can Russia (...) tell Poland to go shopping for gas somewhere else?

They probably can, but they sort of need money these days (those cruisers don't come cheap). That's realpolitik on both Germany's and Poland's side. No point imposing sanctions that would hurt our countries more than they would hurt Russia.

Alien
17 Apr 2022  #8572

No they think they biggest power is their economy and not they Bundewehr so they have to care about it.

Crow
17 Apr 2022  #8573

What are the practical effects of Azov people being nazis?

Azov Battalion act from germanized position and using nazi symbolism. Worse, their actions are nazi.

They can`t be allowed to walk free, for so many reasons.

Novichok
17 Apr 2022  #8574

They probably can, but they sort of need money these days

Of the total, what percentage is what they get from Poland? I think they could easily give up that amount to send a message.

GefreiterKania
17 Apr 2022  #8575

If they could, they would have done that already. Apparently, their need for money trumps their hatred for Poland. :)

Alien
17 Apr 2022  #8576

It is not only money. The Polish pipeline transports oil also further to the West Europe. You can't stop the pipeline only for Poland.

Novichok
17 Apr 2022  #8577

This being Easter, a miracle would be greatly appreciated - especially by Russia after losing 510 sailors. From:

bbc.com/news/world-europe-61129151

Russian warship: Moskva crew 'shown for first time since sinking'

This miracle should be recorded as one of a kind as it involved not just one person who went straight to Heaven to avoid reporters but several hundred, if not all 510. Their families must be ecstatic.

There is also a possibility that the Russians are using holographic images and that the 510 sailors are actually dead.

You can't stop the pipeline only for Poland.

But you can ask Poland to turn off the side valves located in Poland.

Alien
17 Apr 2022  #8578

Only about money

pawian
17 Apr 2022  #8579

the Russians are using holographic images

Firstly, they rounded only 200 sailors for the meeting. Where were the rest? Besides, can you swear those were sailors from the sunken ship, not accidental tourists dressed in uniforms??

You can`t. See?

It is amaSSing that you are trying to manipulate in such a silly way. Like a child... :):)

mafketis
17 Apr 2022  #8580

several hundred, if not all 510

How many timeshare apartments do you 'own' ?

Considering how many lies Russia has already told about the Moskva... why would you believe them now? Eternal sucker?

Their families must be ecstatic.

I've been told more than once (including by Russians) that many families prefer the cash payouts over live family members (over 70 years of communism does that to a society - total poison).


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