Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades

Economists and so-called businesspeople. I agree though that Europe has three weak links that are enabling Russia.


President Zelenskiy's appeal came after that. He is referring to specific materiel.

@jon357; specific weapons...
Yes they need cruise missiles.

No they don't.
Didn't you read my post #8850 ?
Those 105 Howitzers came with 40,000 rounds not to mention those high tech drones.

I am affraid, it's not enough for Crimea Bridge.

It looks like he's a liar too:

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He's such a mediocre man... leading such an influential country... God have mercy on us... It's good that there are at least countries like the US and the UK.

When Russia publicly says they are trying to have a land connection to their groups in Moldova today, we already know Moldova is going to be next. It is time to get involved NATO. Waiting is just stupid. Yes, Russia will be weaker by the time they get to Moldova, but at what cost to Ukraine? Weak men not willing to get involved should be removed from power.

.....and in such a difficult time!

*hangs head in shame*

I really thought after Merkel gone it can only get better now.....but Scholz has developed the "Merkelism" to a new level....unbelievable!

@BB, according to this article Scholz is being pressured by his party (which is pro-Russian):

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It doesn't explain the lies though... I've honestly expected something better from German politicians :/

Michał Wróblewski: The German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is again criticized, not only by the German media, but also by his own coalition partners....

Oh yes, that he is....I wonder how long he can pull through....

Indeed. Hopefully they will get them.


Not nearly enough. The bridge was intended to be defended.

A current proposal as well is for Poland to supply tanks that the Ukrainian military are already trained in with the U.K. supplying tanks to Poland as backfill. This may prove very effective in the weeks and months to come.


Moldova is hugely vulnerable. An ex-Soviet state, not in NATO and currently ineligible to join due to Transdnistria. Perhaps NATO should lead conditions for membership so they can be admitted at the same time as Sweden and Finland, if not before. After all the map that Lukashenko inadvertently revealed did show an attack on Moldova.

Since the beginning of the second phase of the special operation, which began literally two days ago, one of the tasks of the Russian army is to establish full control over Donbas and southern Ukraine. This will provide a land corridor to Crimea," Maj. Gen. Rustam Minnekaev, the acting commander of Russia's Central Military District, said according to TASS, a Russian state news agency.

Minnekaev, speaking at the annual general meeting of the Union of Defense Industry Enterprises of the Sverdlovsk region, was quoted by TASS as saying the aim was to create a land corridor between Ukraine's eastern Donbas region and Crimea.

He added that control over Ukraine's south would give Russian forces access to Transnistria, a separatist statelet in Moldova, where a contingent of Russian forces has been stationed since the early 1990s.

Russia has confirmed publicly that Moldova is next. It is time to get involved. NATO forces should be heading to Moldova tomorrow to set the stage. Unreal that the reaction from the west is not getting stronger. Really chicken$hi* leadership.

Yes, mindblowing...

@PolAmKrakow, we're becoming a laughing stock, I'm afraid. NATO has no initiative, it's reacting to what Russia is doing (and too slow and too little) and giving in to Russia's threats without making any of our own. So Putin is doing what he wants and it looks like that he thinks he can go for more. NATO got psychologically blackmailed and bullied by one country... I'm honestly fed up with this.

They may just be saying that to distract us from their main objective. I'm sure they'd love to get hold of Moldova but Ukraine is still their ultimate goal.

Indeed. They were in charge here thanks to Russian gas and they liked it. So they will not fold easily. I thought they will change their policy somewhat, they stick to their guns I give them that. Lame excuses are just political noise/smoke screen.


You don't know that much about political issues, right? You sound naive, don't tell me you buy into all that UE slogans too?

a more pessimistic view of the war from the business community focused bne IntelliNews.

"He describes a process of "fixing" their enemy, in other words denying them the freedom to manoeuvre. He believes that Russia has deliberately bypassed most major urban areas to focus on fixing Ukrainian forces in the Donbas, where they will try to encircle them and cut them off from reinforcement and resupply." Duncan believes that the Russians are not operating on the timescale that the West believes them to be. We in the West are no longer thinking in grand strategy, focusing more on the principles of quick victories and overthrowing regimes. Time is for now, on Russia's side, Duncan believes."

intellinews.com/is-ukraine-s-heroic-resistance-on-borrowed-time-242170/?source=ukraine

let's hope those those new tech kamikaze drones from usa and turkey en masse make a difference like they did in the armenian/arjeibadan conflict.

I really don't get where are this spite for Germany comes from. Germany is assisting Ukraine significantly financially, with military aid and with taking in refugees. There is not much more we can do at this point. And I suspect that the vitriol directed at Berlin would not cease even if it would supply Ukraine with some rusty old tanks that would not make much difference in any case.

I don't remember that kind of reaction when e.g. the UK completely ignored its' obligation as a guarantor of the Budapest memorandum in 2014/15.

What spite? I understand that Germany has its policy, its interests and stick to it as much as it can.
I just don't let them to blindside me with their propaganda of doing what they can. They do as little as they can without acctually siding with Russia.


There is another issue - Germany = EU. That generate some backlash.

I guess it would though!

At least it would show that we really do what we can....even if it's only old rusty panzers....but right now it looks like we are not even trying!

I believe that's what hurts people the most!

Some good news. A third act of sabotage (or very bad luck for russia)

A strategic warehouse in Korolyev, where one of Russia's main rocket and spacecraft centres is based is up in flames!

twitter.com/MilitaryBWF/status/1517524899841310720


It's a defensive alliance and therefore reactive. It's worth trusting their judgement.


They are expected to make a real difference. Almost as much as the NLAWs supplied to brave Ukraine when they were needed most.

Unconfirmed, some reports are saying that it's a warehouse 2 km away... so not so sure.

But apparently 5 army recruitment centers have (so far) been set on fire.... so that's good.

In theory Russia has lots of potential soldiers but in practice... they're going to be running out....

People fighting for a country tend to do better than those fighting for an empire...

Very well said, Maf.

Very true. And people with military experience are saying that to attack needs between three and five times the personnel that is needed to defend.

It gets better. The flood gate protection at Krasnodar has been destroyed causing severe flooding!
twitter.com/OSINT88/status/1517523880331681794

Like Scholz's and Macron's judgement? Maybe Macron should call Putin again - that should make a difference *rolls eyes*
Sorry, jon357, but NATO was reacting too slowly and reluctantly. Only lately we've started sending some heavier stuff, because Russia didn't want NATO to send this heavier, offensive stuff. Don't you remember already all this reluctance to sending offensive military stuff to Ukraine? I'm afraid that it's going to be a pattern - Russia will do something horrible in Ukraine and only then NATO's countries reactions will get a bit stronger.


How about not lying at least?
And why can't you do more? What stops you?


Oh, please, cut the bullsh1t. If they weren't needed, Ukraine wouldn't be asking for them.

Of course not. They are by far the weakest links in the alliance. Treacherous appeasers even, with Ukrainian blood dripping from their hands,


Do you mean NATO or NATO countries? Some NATO countries were supplying weapons even before the invasion, others were deliberately trying to impede this.


Me too, however I hope there will be progress. It's worth remembering that NATO and it's main member states employ a lot of military strategists and tacticians. They are experts and for decades have been gaming (in the military sense of the word) all possible decisions and their effects.

Ukraine now has more tanks on the ground than Russia does.

NATO countries, of course. In the end it's the countries' political leaders who are making final decisions about what to send to Ukraine.


Could you post a link?

Indeed. Whatever I may think about BJ and his abilities with domestic matters, he's certainly come good with this.


Ukrainian farmers certainly have plenty of russian tanks!

You might as well ask this to any other country. Every country can only do so much and Germany is supporting Ukraine in more ways than most countries.


Ukraine is in a desperate situation and thus asking for everything, which included a no-fly zone. Whether or not it is feasible is a different matter. There was a former German general today on television who named all the problems with sending e.g. Marders to Ukraine. You would need to prepare them for combat, train Ukrainian soldiers in their, and most importantly, establish a supply chain. That would also bind Ukrainian ressources that could be better spend elsewhere.

It would also take years for the Bundeswehr to replace them since their intented successor, the Puma, is still not combat ready.

@Tacitus, I've read that German military industry is ready to send stuff to Ukraine, but it's German government saying "no" to this. Why?


Somehow the British and Americans don't mind training Ukrainians and Ukrainians don't mind being trained to use their equipment. Ukrainians also said that they're ready to train for the use of any new equipment.


So one German general knows better than Ukrainians on the ground who are actually fighting with Russians for their country?
There are all kinds of generals and not every general has to be always right about everything. They are also only people and have political views too, btw.


Excuses. Problems are there to be solved.

Maybe we are overthinking it?

Maybe there is to much bureaucracy and not much action? What if we just shortcut everything for this crisis and just send what we have without so much planning and thinking and looking for problems....let that training, supply chains etc. be the problem of the Ukrainians....they will find ways to improvise!

I doubt we need them for combat anytime soon....not with Ukraine and Poland between us....but in that case Ukraine is also fighting OUR war and for that needs OUR weapons!