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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



AntV
26 Feb 2022  #1981

@Bratwurst Boy

Don't get me wrong, Germans behind tanks makes the world a little nervous. {OK, ok, not only a bad joke, but poorly timed}

Maybe we'll see the NATO that Trump was lobbying for. An actually capable defense force.

Did you see my post about the Deutsche Welle discussion I watched that brought up the problem in German society where many Germans don't want to join the military, except some fringe-right radicals? I wonder how true that is.

Bratwurst Boy
26 Feb 2022  #1982

Germans behind tanks makes the world a little nervous.

....yeah....that was also used as reasoning why we should use our means for "better" things than our armed forces....I heard that often enough.

But now its clear that the world can't have it both ways....a totally peacenik, declawed Germany and an valuable worthy ally who has your back when you need him.

Decision time!

Maybe we'll see the NATO that Trump was lobbying for. An actually capable defense force.

That's actually my guess....the embarrassment and anger in Germany right now is just to huge as that we can go on like this as if nothing had happened!

I wonder how true that is.

Not especially.....not more than in other countries.

AntV
26 Feb 2022  #1983

@Novichok

In no particular order:

1) Keeping an aggressive military power (Russia) off your border
2) Russian control over Ukraine's vast natural resources (oil, gas, lithium) increases Russian sway on these markets--sway it has proven to use for political means.

3) The west standing idly by while a neighbor is attacked invites others (China, Iran, etc.) to make hegemonic plays as they sense weakness and lack of resolve, which then weakens western economies and influence.

Decision time!

You've behaved yourselves. Time to build some lethality--not only Germany, but other Euro countries as well. Just stay the hell away from nukes.

Not especially.....not more than in other countries.

That begs the question of what's it like in other countries?

Bratwurst Boy
26 Feb 2022  #1984

That begs the question of what's it like in other countries?

Hmmm....about 10% ? 15 max I think....radicals are radicals because they are radical...NOT mainstream....that limits their number naturally!

Atch
26 Feb 2022  #1985

Here is an interview with the Russian ambassador to Ireland conducted yesterday evening by Irish television. People have been protesting in Dublin today calling for his expulsion.

youtube.com/watch?v=xqx0m29WHIU

PolAmKrakow
26 Feb 2022  #1986

youtube.com/watch?v=xqx0m29WHIU

This guy is another example of uneducated retarded people in control of Russia and foreign policy. I hope they drag him through the street.

Novichok
26 Feb 2022  #1987

a totally peacenik, declawed Germany

I vote for clawed. That should allow the world's dumbest cop to go home.

In no particular order:

1. We don't border Russia but I know what you mean.
2. So it's not about "free" Ukraine and its democracy. It's about money and power. The only thing that's missing is sex.
3. Excellent point. Time to be on your own, Western democracies. The US is on its last legs.

Atch
26 Feb 2022  #1988

This guy i

I was glad to see that he was properly put on the spot by the journalist interviewing him. He had things hurled at his car today as he came out of the embassy.

GefreiterKania
26 Feb 2022  #1989

People have been protesting in Dublin today calling for his expulsion.

Thanks for reminding me why I've always loved the Irish. :)

a totally peacenik, declawed Germany and an valuable worthy ally who has your back when you need him

I vote for the latter option. As Anti said, Germany has proven on numerous occasions that they have regained their sanity, time to finally redeem your past sins and raise a powerful army, but this time to fight on the right side!

Bratwurst Boy
26 Feb 2022  #1990

....yeah.....it's time.....maybe a day for the history books....the day Putin changed Germany!

Novichok
26 Feb 2022  #1991

I always knew Putin is a good guy. Just give him Ukraine and he will be happy. Just as was the US after Korea.

gumishu
26 Feb 2022  #1992

@Bratwurst Boy

a joke of the day - Russian ship downed a Rushian war plane (as per Polish Wprost weekly website)

GefreiterKania
26 Feb 2022  #1993

youtube.com/watch?v=xqx0m29WHIU

The journalist is brilliant! Even a 5-year-old would realise, listening to the interview, that Russians are lying through their teeth.

Russians can't defeat the Ukrainian army, so...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-w-obwodzie-charkowskim-ostrzelano-autobus-co-najmniej-jedna-,nId,5857357

...they fight with civilian buses and ambulances.

Bratwurst Boy
26 Feb 2022  #1994

Phew.....at least....

Germany approves Panzerfaust deliveries to Ukraine

spiegel.de/politik/deutschland-genehmigt-panzerfaust-lieferungen-an-die-ukraine-a-9e051204-4c43-4c42-a0e6-e00d484c716f

The federal government has authorized the Netherlands to deliver 400 German-made bazookas to Ukraine. This was confirmed by a spokesman for SPIEGEL. Other media had previously reported. So far, Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) had rejected arms exports to Ukraine on principle because it is a crisis area. The state needs the green light from Germany to pass it on.

According to the Federal Ministry of Economics and Climate Protection, the export of 14 armored vehicles with special protection was also approved for Ukraine on Saturday. The vehicles were used for personal protection, possibly also for evacuation purposes, it said. They are to be handed over to Ukrainian authorities. In addition, up to 10,000 tons of fuel are to be delivered to Ukraine via Poland. Further support services are currently being examined.....


The pressure to do something...anything....has become to strong I believe!

jon357
26 Feb 2022  #1995

Yes. It's not going well for Russia today in Kyiv.

At least they brought their mobile crematoria along with them.

Novichok
26 Feb 2022  #1996

with the Russian ambassador to Ireland

BFD! Ambassadors are flunkies. In the US, ambassadorships are rewards for helping in the elections. On top of that, the Russian speaks a foreign language and the Irish pos interrupts him.

I would like to see him interview Putin.

Alien
26 Feb 2022  #1997

@jon357; crematoria....
They are on fire anyway.

Atch
26 Feb 2022  #1998

The journalist is brilliant!

His name is David McCullagh :)

Ambassadors are flunkies.

Russian ambassadors are more likely to be spies.

I would like to see him interview Putin.

And he'd make mincemeat of him I can tell you. You must know that the Irish don't back down.

Novichok
26 Feb 2022  #1999

His name is David McCullagh :)

I have a new assignment for him. Interview Biden in Spanish.

PolAmKrakow
26 Feb 2022  #2000

@Novichok
Or interview you in Russian

Bratwurst Boy
26 Feb 2022  #2001

...So far, Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) had rejected arms exports to Ukraine on principle because it is a crisis area....

That was the OLD Germany.....the Germany before Putin's invasion of Ukraine....a decades old sacred principle....now thrown into the bin of history!

There is more to come....that was just the beginning....

Atch
26 Feb 2022  #2002

Or interview you in Russian

Or indeed in Polish!

Crow
26 Feb 2022  #2003

The federal government has authorized the Netherlands to deliver 400 German-made bazookas to Ukraine.

How nice. I wish to Germany welcome to the world of pain.

Novichok
26 Feb 2022  #2004

Or interview you in Russian

Why are so many here going for that "you" way of debating? May I kindly ask to fu*ck off?

Atch
26 Feb 2022  #2005

I don't know if it's been mentioned already but surely it's time to boot Russia out of the UN??

Novichok
26 Feb 2022  #2006

By a majority vote? Majority voting is a funny thing...
A, B, and you vote to take your money and divide it equally. That's a democracy, isn't it? No, it's not a joke. That's how it really is. You could be next...

mafketis
26 Feb 2022  #2007

Majority voting is a funny thing...

You could be next...

Life in Putin's Russia is a funny thing.... criticise Putin and you're liable to fall out of a window.... you could be next.

Crow
26 Feb 2022  #2008

Russia only pushing NATO back. Conflict started with Vatican, Saudis, Germany, Turkey, EU, Islamic league, USA, NATO destruction of Yugoslavia. Back then Yugoslavia called Russia to help but, they were not ready then. Now they are. Considering genocide on us still goes in ethnic and cultural sense, Russia now coming, correcting all on its way.

Did you really thought Russians won`t retaliate? In this old war

Лена Катина - Югославия @ Queerfest'12

youtu.be/jGxRzx5DNLw

Down with Roman Empire! Glory to Sarmatia!

Better to die as Slavic then to live eternally in shame or even better to live and win!

Bratwurst Boy
26 Feb 2022  #2009

Next step....Germany get's rolling too....at last!

Federal government delivers weapons from Bundeswehr stocks to Ukraine

spiegel.de/politik/bundesregierung-liefert-waffen-aus-bundeswehr-bestaenden-an-ukraine-a-499c95a6-5a65-4772-bb1d-39a181cf3ce1

After the announcement that rocket-propelled grenades would be delivered from the Netherlands to Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) now also wants to export weapons located in Germany. 1000 anti-tank weapons and 500 surface-to-air missiles are to be delivered.....

SWIFT next and I take everything back what I ever said about Scholz....

Crow
26 Feb 2022  #2010

I like to see Germany in the game. Its proper. No war without Germans and Serbs. Once and for all Germans, themselves failed Serbs, like fallen angels, must be stooped, liberated and returned to us, those who survive in incoming war of all wars.


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