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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



pawian
27 Feb 2022  #2131

for the rearmament of the german armed forces of 1 BILLION Euros....WOW!

Today 1 billion, tomorrow 2, next week 3, not only in Germany but also in other European countries.
And financially depleted Russo-Asian barbaria will lose another Cold War like Soviets did.
Good.
Westerners will suffer certain sacrifices, but meanwhile Russo-Asia will be starved.

Bobko
27 Feb 2022  #2132

1 BILLION Euros....WOW!

Wow indeed! You can probably buy 5 whole planes with that, if you exclude infrastructure, maintenance, spare parts, training.

The real help Ukrainians need is asylum passports.


  • 35KM long traffic jam at UA/PL border

Crow
27 Feb 2022  #2133

What is next? When EU is no more, Bundestag to declare annexation of Poland? After all, EU was Germany.

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2134

1 BILLION Euros... Additionally to the 2% for the NATO

Wow! Zeitenwende indeed!

You can probably buy 5 whole planes with that

...or about 100 Abrams tanks :) Which would be a nice addition to stuff bought for 2% of German GDP (and it must be a rather impressive number too). :)

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2135

Wow indeed!

2% of the german GDP...every year.....do you have an idea how much that is?

That special fund is for now.....to plug the biggest holes quickly...1 Billion....wow indeed! :)

I liked what I heard....I'm very okay with Scholz as chancellor right now!

Crow
27 Feb 2022  #2136

Merkel was better Chancellor. She was vegetarian

Bobko
27 Feb 2022  #2137

do you have an idea how much that is?

Yes, I do. Right now with its $3.8T GDP, Germany spends $53B on defense, or 1.4%. An increase to 2% would mean $76B at same size of economy. I was just reacting to your "$1B WOW!".

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2138

For a Germany where many would had rather let the Bundeswehr starve to death just one week back....yeah....WOW!!!!

New CDU - and opposition leader Merz is regarding Putin/Ukraine/Bundeswehr of the same mind as Scholz....that looks really good right now!

The only ones protesting are the far left and far right nutters....and they have barely any influence, heh:)

Bobko
27 Feb 2022  #2139

France is gonna have fits of insecurity when Germany starts spending $80B a year on defense lol. Some old anxieties might wake up, haha!

Poles will still be happy I assume.

Cojestdocholery
27 Feb 2022  #2140

.that looks really good right now!

What about swift?
By the way who is going to serve in that army? Syrians?

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2141

2% of the GDP

Poland will increase military budget to 2.5% GDP and raise the number of soldiers to 300,000 (250 thousand professionals and 50 thousand TD). Besides, Abrams tanks (the latest version) will start arriving this year. We are getting 250 of them, plus tons of ammo and logistic/training services. I bet other NATO countries will also rather increase their military spending. Another favour that bald botox-filled Hitler has rendered the alliance. :)

Crow
27 Feb 2022  #2142

When German `peacekeeping` soldiers in KFOR down there on Kosovo killed two local Serbs with 140 bullets, KFOR wanted to persecute them. But, official end of war in WWII was never signed between Yugoslavia and Germany. So, court concluded killing of two Serbs was legal.

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2143

What about swift?

SWIFT is gonna happen...read the news.....but the big video call meeting is today 6 pm...

By the way who is going to serve in that army?

The soldiers aren't the problem....the lacking material is!

Cojestdocholery
27 Feb 2022  #2144

Poland will increase military budget to 2.5% GDP and raise the number of soldiers to 300,000

Somehow I don't trust PiS to do that right. There is that guy Bartosiak and he is being ignored by the offcials.

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2145

I don't trust PiS to do that right

Well, I'm not a keen admirer of PiS either, but they must surely understand the gravity of the situation at the moment.

Bartosiak

The guy who claims Germany wants Ukraine to lose?

Crnogorac3
27 Feb 2022  #2146

AFTER 8 YEARS OF WAR RUSSIANS ARE FINALLY HERE

youtu.be/x0FL5iskcNk

The Kiev regime is in its final days.

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Cojestdocholery
27 Feb 2022  #2147

The soldiers aren't the problem..

I beg to differ, could you lay my doubts to rest?

SWIFT is gonna happen.

When? Next year? Germany really take their sweet time with that. Are they waiting for Putin to win, then they can say - too late. No need to do it now.

The Kiev regime is in its final days.

Could you get out before I nuke you? Say your views but spare me your nonsene and war propaganda

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2148

I beg to differ, could you lay my doubts to rest?

The suspension of conscription from July 2011 was a turning point for the Bundeswehr. The number of their soldiers initially fell massively. But now the force is growing again. The personnel figures of the Bundeswehr at a glance.

Knock yourself out....here are the numbers:

bundeswehr.de/de/ueber-die-bundeswehr/zahlen-daten-fakten/personalzahlen-bundeswehr

Bobko
27 Feb 2022  #2149

Poland will increase military budget to 2.5% GDP and raise the number of soldiers to 300,000

I would argue this is not enough. To match Morawiecki's rhetoric and vision - this share must be increased to at least Israeli levels of 6-7%. The army must be increased to 1,000,000. Ideally, Poland should target defense expenditure levels of DPRK - circa 25% of GDP. This way Poland can achieve parity, and even superiority over Russia.

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2150

The "Zeitenwende" is making already the international headlines!

Germany is committing 100 billion euros to a special fund for its armed forces, raising defense spending above 2% of GDP

Better english:

dw.com/en/germanys-reversal-on-ukraine-weapons-policy-response-to-putins-aggression/a-60932652

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2151

This way Poland can achieve parity, and even superiority over Russia.

There's no need for that. We are a part of the strongest military alliance in the world. We will do our part, but we don't have to match Russia on our own (luckily!).

100 billion euros

That's more like it! :) How many planes would that buy? :)

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2152

but we don't have to match Russia on our own

Exactly! When every member does it's part (now Germany too) we are together unbeatable...untouchable....invincible....every one of us!

No member has to match/face Russia alone...

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2153

Genau! :)

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2154

That's more like it! :)

Wait....what do you think I meant with BILLION??? I said WOW not for nothing!!!

(Did my Billion mean something else???)

Bobko
27 Feb 2022  #2155

we don't have to match Russia on our own

This is where you are wrong. According to the core principles of Songun Policy, as promulgated by Kim Il Sung - true sovereignty comes only from complete self reliance in military strength. If the p.iss-haters from EU focus on Poland again after this crisis dies down, then Poland must be prepared. Faith in Iron!

Cojestdocholery
27 Feb 2022  #2156

I would argue this is not enough.

I would say that drones, space capacity and nukes would be enough. Not need for million of boots. After all Russia GDP is only few times bigger than Poland.

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2157

true sovereignty comes only from complete self reliance in military strength

That would make all small nations to victims and toyed prey again....that would mean back to the dark old times of the last century....that's over! For good!

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2158

.what do you think I meant with BILLION?

I thought you said 1 billion. 100 billion sounds much better :)

According to the core principles of Songun Policy

...which Poland neither follows nor cares about.

Faith in Iron!

By the way, where is Iron?

Bobko
27 Feb 2022  #2159

@Bratwurst Boy

Ok, perhaps I need to go back to my bunker and re-analyze certain positions of Songun, and how it relates to Juche Thought.

Bratwurst Boy
27 Feb 2022  #2160

Yes...Iron....he would have a field day now! :)

What are 100 Milliarden Euros in English? (That's what Scholz said) Not 1 Billion?


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