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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades



Velund
27 Feb 2022  #2371

we must have completely different definitions of "normal" and "decent".

We are interested in security of country we live in and where our kids will live. So, people who willing to sold our freedom and sovereignity and turn Russia to something like Somali again, for Apple Pay and Schengen Visa in passport, can go elsewhere.

And you're just jealous. You're used to living under leaders who are even less sympathetic than dandruff on your a$$ hair. And the damned Russians suddenly have a leader with whom to make plans for life...

AntV
27 Feb 2022  #2372

We are interested in security of country we live in and where our kids will live.

I'd be willing to bet everything I own and will own that every Ukrainian is interested in the same. However, your side has disrupted their country and where their children live and will live.

pawian
27 Feb 2022  #2373

while Donetsk and Lugansk were being shelled for 8 years and thousands of people died there during that time

Lies, lies, lies all the time. It was Russ-Asian locals who shelled Ukrainian positions all the time.

All this mold is being told to fcuk off by normal decent people.

Stop lying. When a few thousand ordinary Russians, good decent people, bravely took out to streets in several cities to protest against the war, the police immediately attacked them and arrested 1800. You realise perfectly well they will face charges and may land in prison for years. That is why others prefer to keep silent.

Stop those lies, you are wasting time here.


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Miloslaw
27 Feb 2022  #2374

the damned Russians suddenly have a leader with whom to make plans for life

Nah, those damned Russians have a leader with whom to make plans for their funerals.
The man has clearly lost his marbles.....

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2375

people who willing to sold our freedom and sovereignity and turn Russia to something like Somali again

Nobody can sell your freedom. You're nowhere near being a superpower, but you have those nukes so nobody can threaten your freedom. As for turning Russia into Somali - it's your own making, not NATO's, not the EU's, and most certainly not Ukraine's.

Russians suddenly have a leader with whom to make plans for life...

Your leader was summed up the best in the short poem below (Russian and Polish are similar enough for you to understand the gist of it)...

Miałeś chamie "złoty róg"
Kible złote, byłeś "bóg"!
Wszyscy z tobą się liczyli
Aż tu nagle w jednej chwili
Wszystko ci się posypało,
Bo podbojów się zachciało!
Teraz większość tego świata
Ma cię, kurwo, za wariata
I kompletnie nie szanuje...
Byłeś "carem" - jesteś chujem!

... the poem is funny because it is so accurate. If anyone is going to eventually turn Russia into Somali, it will be your beloved leader.

Wake up.

pawian
27 Feb 2022  #2376

And the damned Russians suddenly have a leader with whom to make plans for life...

buhahaha it is amazing how brazenly you are trolling. Do you realise all your claims are received as pure nonsense here?

Plans for life? Polam already told you: your plan for life will be happinnes at having your sandwich stuffed with rat meat like in POW Changi camp. Did you read King Rat?? hahahaha

Crnogorac3
27 Feb 2022  #2377

youtu.be/ka0JEwjdCgI

Nikolay Emelin - RUS

youtu.be/VRlUJtz3I54

Polish subtitles

I always knew that Russia would rise again.

Velund
27 Feb 2022  #2378

your side destroyed their country

Not a country anymore, not even 2 years ago. An externally administered territory where the president has no control over (and is afraid of) the nationalist regiments, and US advisors make all the decisions. This situation creates a dangerous situation on the Russian border in the immediate vicinity of the capital and major industrial centers. And all concerns addressed to the "masters" of that Ukraine have been completely ignored.

Patience is ended. Foreign "Ukraine project" is closed; the fate of Ukrainian statehood will be discussed separately, perhaps at referendums in each region.US/EU taxpayers' money, spent on destabilizing Russia, should be written off as a loss.

pawian
27 Feb 2022  #2379

I always knew that Russia would rise again.

Rise in its typical Russo-Asian barbaric style.
But not for long, darling, The higher the rise, the more painful fall!
Remember!

spent on destabilizing Russia,

The economic destabilisation of Russia has only just started, darling. We`ll see who wins the new Cold War.

Novichok
27 Feb 2022  #2380

but you have those nukes so nobody can threaten your freedom.

And that's why the only way to overpower Russia is through a million cuts and in slow motion. Russia doesn't have to look far for a real live show of how it's done. The US is devouring itself with its wokeness, deficits, subservience to China, and open borders. Plus LGBTs everywhere.

If anyone is going to eventually turn Russia into Somali, it will be your beloved leader.

Swedes were first. As a reward, Swedish women are now really busy making unauthorized love to Somalis.

AntV
27 Feb 2022  #2381

An externally administered territory where the president has no control over (and is afraid of) the nationalist regiments, and US advisors make all the decisions

So, the premise you base your thinking is a conspiracy theory. I appreciate you being candid about it.

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2382

Plus LGBTs everywhere.

...and still it's Russia who has the highest rate of abortions in the world - not the rotten West. Still it's Russia that has the 3rd highest divorce rate in the world - not the rotten West. Still it's Russia that has African-like HIV prevalence rate (on par with Ethiopia, Mali and Nigeria). So maybe (just maybe) despite the funny LGBT crowd (I'm not a big fan either) it is still the West that is more "moral" and "pro-Christian" than Russia?

Velund
27 Feb 2022  #2383

The economic destabilisation of Russia has only just started

We will try to surprise you (unpleasantly).

AntV
27 Feb 2022  #2384

@Velund

One thing you seem unwilling to address: it sure as hell appears Ukrainians believe it's a country, their country. That's why Kiev and other cities have yet to be toppled--Ukrainians are fighting for it. This begs the question: if you are so concerned about Russia securing itself and maintaining the integrity of its sovereignty and borders, why shouldn't Ukraine be afforded the same consideration. If it's corruption of the country's administration, Russia sure as hell isn't a paradigm of a country run by the corruptless. Your country (if you're Russian) is a syndicate of self-interested (read: not interested in Russia as an entity) oligarchs and politicians who facilitate and benefit from this oligarchy.

..and still it's Russia who has the highest rate of abortions in the world - not the rotten West.

Yeah, this argument of Putin as a moral crusader just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

There's a saying in America: even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Just because Putin isn't following the trend of normalizing sexual abnormalities doesn't mean he's the moral savior of traditional morals.

Novichok
27 Feb 2022  #2385

...and still it's Russia who has the highest rate of abortions in the world

I am glad you brought all of this up. Hence, Russia should stop all abortions, no-fault divorces, and criminalize man-man sex as the greatest HIV disseminator.

How do you like my agenda? It should address all of your very valid points.

Velund
27 Feb 2022  #2386

why shouldn't Ukraine be afforded the same consideration.

For this to happen, the country must have a legitimate and treaty-compliant government that makes decisions and is able to enforce them. Territory "Ukraine" did not have any of the points listed above.

GefreiterKania
27 Feb 2022  #2387

@Novichok

All I'm saying is that the moral rot that you are observing in the West is present also (and to a considerably larger extent!) in Russia, with the laudable exception of not normalising sexual abnormalities.

AntV
27 Feb 2022  #2388

treaty-compliant government

Like Russia? Russia who has broken if not every, almost every, defense treaty it made with the West? Nah, you guys aren't the pure spotless victims you claim to be.

Let's put that to the side. Let's look at things logically. You claim that Ukraine can't make its own decisions. Yet, it has asked to become a member of NATO and the EU. Both requests have been denied. There seems to be a quandry with the logic of your argument that Ukraine is controlled by US and/or other foreign entities. If they made their desire known that they want to join NATO and have been denied entry, if controlled by the US and/or other western countries why would they have even asked if their US-controllers would vote to exclude them? Or, if they are controlled by the US, their asking for inclusion was really the US who was doing the asking (remember, the US controls Ukraine in your theory), only for the US to deny them?

Some mind-bending going on there.

Velund
27 Feb 2022  #2389

By the way... We already know about at least 10 corpses of British military advisors left on Ukrainian soil. It seems that there were also American personnel at the de facto US naval base in Ochakov, of which little remains. Plus quite a few personnel from private military companies that were based with the nationalist battalions that were mixed in with the ground. I haven't seen any mention of them in the press. Seems like a very uncomfortable topic.....

Novichok
27 Feb 2022  #2390

Russia being cut off from Western money may actually be a long-term blessing. We have been able to borrow like idiots from our enemies over the decades and the result is that China has the US by the short hair and can destabilize the US bond market in minutes. Ditto with Hollywood.

Seems like a very uncomfortable topic.....

A lie by omission. The hardest one to detect and the favorite tool of the Western "press".

Velund
27 Feb 2022  #2391

Russia who has broken if not every, almost every, defense treaty it made with the West?

What? Please list treaties that was broken by Russia last years?

China has the US by the short hair and can destabilize the US bond market in minutes.

I think it will do it within a days. When Taiwan will suddenly reunite with mainland.

AntV
27 Feb 2022  #2392

ABM, INF, Open Skies. I posted on it earlier.

pawian
27 Feb 2022  #2393

We will try to surprise you (unpleasantly).

You mean your Central Bank will splash out 10 instead of 5 billion $ to save the sinking rubel tomorrow??? hahahaha

AntV
27 Feb 2022  #2394

China has the US by the short hair and can destabilize the US bond market in minutes.

And, the US has a few Chinese shorthairs in its hand. I also think China may be assessing that West is responding in a manner that is, if nothing else, showing at least the veneer of coalescing together more tightly. This may give China pause. China is not independent of itself--it depends on the US and Europe.

Xi hasn't gone public with support of Putin, if anything they have shown uneasiness about how things are going, IMO.

Velund
27 Feb 2022  #2395

ABM, INF, Open Skies

ABM - On 13 December 2001, George W. Bush gave Russia notice of the United States' withdrawal from the treaty. This treaty was "incompatible" with plans of National Missile Defense creation. So, you lied once.

INF - US suspended its compliance with the INF Treaty on 2 February 2019. The reason was claimed to be some violations on the part of Russia, the essence of which was very unclear. The main claim was the characteristics of the missile 9M729 (SSC-8). The U.S. side refused to discuss the real characteristics and see the sample at the briefing. So, highly likely (ТМ) it was artificially created reason to withdraw from treaty to be able to work on new projects.

Open Skies - On 22 May 2020, the United States submitted notice of withdrawal from the Treaty on Open Skies. In January 2021, Russia announced that it will follow the United States in withdrawing from the Treaty on Open Skies, as other OS countries was unable to guarantee non-provision of flight data to US that left treaty but still had access to intel using their allies to make flights for US. So, you lied again, US was first who withdraw from this treaty.

PS: 82 ukrainian border guards from Snake Island (13 of them was awarded by "hero of ukraine" post-mortem) is in Sevastopol. Suspisiously alive.

AntV
27 Feb 2022  #2396

@Velund

Yes, you are correct. I was wrong to include ABM--US withdrawal wasn't because of Russian violations. I never said the US wasn't the one to withdrawal, I said Russia violated treaties. US withdrawal from INF and Open Skies were due to detailed and verified Russian violations. The US withdrew from ABM according to the terms of the treaty, and not in violation of it; unlike Russia's violation of INF and OST.

Anyhow, I apologize for my mistake about ABM--I never wish to mislead.

cruisepatron
28 Feb 2022  #2397

I know a few Ukrainians personally. They are professional people, married with kids. They are trying to run away not because of the Russians but because of the Ukrainian regime who want to force these people like a human shield. This is pure evil stuff. Something the media is not reporting.

Novichok
28 Feb 2022  #2398

ABM - On 13 December 2001,

This question is to Velund so the rest of you just stay away.

After that bi*ch at the UN who lied about Iraqi soldiers throwing Kuwaiti babies out of incubators, I am very suspicious when the US press who*res show babies and sobbing mothers over and over but never Putin saying what he wants.

Can you tell me what Putin wants?

Don't bother with a video because the Russia haters will not watch it.

PolAmKrakow
28 Feb 2022  #2399

@Velund
Good and accurate points. You know who the President of the United States was in 2019, 2020 and 2021 who ended those agreements? Putin's puppet Trump.

GefreiterKania
28 Feb 2022  #2400

Russian delegation chief apologises for the invasion

"Chief of Russian delegation to the UN climate summit apologised for Putin's invasion of Ukraine saying that he can find "no justification" for it", reports Financial Times.

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-wojna-na-ukrainie-szef-rosyjskiej-delegacji-na-szczycie-klim,nId,5859100

It's good to see that there are Russians who have more common decency than some low-life putinazi apologists here.


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