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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2



AntV
26 May 2022  #3151

this will make him a hostage: the child will become interested in England,

How moronic and obtuse-and insulting-children won't give a rat's ass about a rinky-dink island that speaks a poor version of the English language. It's America that will captivate the hearts and minds of Russian youngsters who will buy plane tickets to Mexico upon their high school graduations for a chance to strike it big in this shining beacon of light known as The US of A.

GefreiterKania
26 May 2022  #3152

It's America that will captivate the hearts and minds of Russian youngsters

That's exactly what Mr Konstantinov wants to avoid by banning English lessons. Also, to avoid children calculating how much higher their wages would be in the USA compared to Crimea, Mathematics will be removed from the curriculum as well. Even more importantly, to make it more difficult for the children to run fast and escape from Russia, schools in Crimea will also not have any PE lessons.

PolAmKrakow
26 May 2022  #3153

And now we have reports of 160 Orcs killed in one shelling of a warehouse where they were staying. Thankfully though they are likely so thoroughly cooked that identification will be near impossible, saving Putin more money to mommies.

Crow
26 May 2022  #3154

Putin`s every word about necessity of de-nazification is practically golden.

johnny reb
26 May 2022  #3155

WW3 is here:
Strategic movement in the Black Sea continues with Russia reportedly loading cruise missiles onto a pair of submarines among its Black Sea fleet.
This comes just days after a report that stated the U.S. was preparing to target the Russian fleet to free up paths for Ukraine to export grain.

I have a feeling Putin is about to unleash some horrific weapons that we haven't seen yet.

Bobko
26 May 2022  #3156

Seems I missed a very curious article from the New York Times editorial board yesterday. It calls for Biden to be more clear in spelling out the limits of American support, so that Ukraine can be more grounded in reality when making determinations about what concessions it may be forced to make. Here's a juicy little excerpt:

"It is tempting to see Ukraine's stunning successes against Russia's aggression as a sign that with sufficient American and European help, Ukraine is close to pushing Russia back to its positions before the invasion. But that is a dangerous assumption.

A decisive military victory for Ukraine over Russia, in which Ukraine regains all the territory Russia has seized since 2014, is not a realistic goal. Though Russia's planning and fighting have been surprisingly sloppy, Russia remains too strong, and Mr. Putin has invested too much personal prestige in the invasion to back down."


It seems they have been reading Bobko!

johnny reb
26 May 2022  #3157

Mr. Putin has invested too much personal prestige in the invasion to back down."

And he won't because of his pride and that is why his own people must remove him before things get totally out of control.

You definitely nailed it, Bobko.

PolAmKrakow
26 May 2022  #3158

@Bobko
The NYT a left wing pulpit is full of no nut pu$$ies. The rest of the world wants to defeat Russia no more than ever. We dont care about Putins feelings or his ego. Stack up the dead Orcs.

mafketis
26 May 2022  #3159

Mr. Putin has invested too much personal prestige in the invasion to back down."

What prestige? He's a fraud...

He stages pictures with the public who happen to appear all over the place....

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1529800130206978048

Why Russians don't just despise this stupid little man is beyond me....

Russia is centuries behind its neighbors politically and can't admit it (which means it keeps falling further and further behind).

Ukraine has passed the democracy test, Russia has never even shown up....

Korvinus
26 May 2022  #3160

Seeing a fair few articles like this pop up lately...

Soon Putin will be dead - but Russia will still be hated by the world, says PAUL BALDWIN

IN pretty short order Vladimir Putin will be dead. And Russia and the Russians, despised by the world, will spend decades in shame and penury until they are allowed, many years from now, to re-join the civilised world.

By PAUL BALDWIN - HEAD OF COMMENT
06:53, Tue, May 24, 2022 | UPDATED: 08:42, Tue, May 24, 2022


express.co.uk/journalist/122411/Paul-Baldwin

putin

This is gonna be a real problem. The hatred for Russia now is huge from a ton of people who wouldn't have even thought about them 3-4 months ago.

Each passing day just sees more and more hatred bred for them, and when things return to normal there's gonna be a ton of people still carrying on like the war is still happening.

GefreiterKania
26 May 2022  #3161

Russia's planning and fighting have been surprisingly sloppy

Understatement of the year.

There's no victory in this for Russia. Not in any conceivable sense of the word. Unless alienating the entire civilised world, destroying your own economy and turning into a larger version of North Korea was the plan all along; in that case - well done, it worked like a charm.

Novichok
26 May 2022  #3162

The rest of the world wants to defeat Russia no more than ever.

You can tell the rest of the world to go make love to itself because the "rest of the world" means the US.
You want to defeat Russia? Go for it. I will send you a box of 50. What caliber would you like?

GefreiterKania
26 May 2022  #3163

Each passing day just sees more and more hatred bred for them

And they are about to commit the greatest genocide in the history of our planet (see my posts #12,111 and #12,112 on previous page). You want to see hatred? Wait when that happens.

Cojestdocholery
26 May 2022  #3164

Ukraine has passed the democracy test, Russia has never even shown up....

Is that even an issue? Not all coutries can or will have democrasy. The point it to have some other system that works for them and for it neighburs. That cann't even do that. It all the same nasty, crappy patalogical Mordor that destroys eveyone and given a change those who are too weak to kick in the balls.

Bobko
26 May 2022  #3165

Joe Biden, Warsaw, 26 March, 2022:

As a result of these unprecedented sanctions, the ruble almost is immediately reduced to rubble. The Russian economy - (applause) - that's true, by the way. It takes about 200 rubles to equal one dollar.

Source: whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/26/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-united-efforts-of-the-free-world-to-support-the-people-of-ukraine/

Rouble-dollar exchange rate, 26 May, 2022, markets.ft.com right now:
56 Russian roubles equal one dollar.

Velund
26 May 2022  #3166

It takes about 200 rubles to equal one dollar.

What scoundrel dared to cheat a sick old man and sell him dollars at the rate of 200 rubles? ;)

BTW: Liman is taken by russian troops. Slaviansk is next?

Crow
26 May 2022  #3167

The hatred for Russia now

Now? And Russia would be loved if just let western Europe and USA milk resources of Ukraine? I mean of Malorussia, except Galicia that goes to Poland and most certainly to Hungary.

Bobko
26 May 2022  #3168

I apologize, but this New York Times editorial is simply too juicy. I must quote another excerpt:

The United States and NATO have demonstrated that they will support the Ukrainian fight with ample firepower and other means. And however the fighting ends, the United States and its allies must be prepared to help Ukraine rebuild.

But as the war continues, Mr. Biden should also make clear to President Volodymyr Zelensky and his people that there is a limit to how far the United States and NATO will go to confront Russia, and limits to the arms, money and political support they can muster. It is imperative that the Ukrainian government's decisions be based on a realistic assessment of its means and how much more destruction Ukraine can sustain.

Confronting this reality may be painful, but it is not appeasement. This is what governments are duty bound to do, not chase after an illusory "win." Russia will be feeling the pain of isolation and debilitating economic sanctions for years to come, and Mr. Putin will go down in history as a butcher. The challenge now is to shake off the euphoria, stop the taunting and focus on defining and completing the mission.


In my opinion, the import of this article is quite big. It's one thing for Kissinger to share his opinions as elder statesman, or for Draghi and Macron to make noises about the need for a settlement. There is a reason Ukrainians have reacted so angrily at this article, and that's it become more or less the primary focus of their commentators when discussing concerning developments this past week.

We have had adviser to Zelenskiy and propagandist extraordinaire, Arestovich, issue a profanity laced rant, and then Ukraine's own newspaper of record issuing an official rebuttal as it's own editorial. Link to rebuttal here: eurointegration.com.ua/rus/articles/2022/05/25/7139970/

Finally, Zelensky himself mentioned the Times article today, and accused the editorial board of living in 1938.

The reason people in Ukraine are worried is that I think they understand that the Times, as much as the Journal does for GOP elites, sets the tone for much of the discussion on the establishment Dem side. Biden cannot simply ignore it when the main media outlet, from his camp, is saying he has been insufficiently clear in spelling out what the mission is. IMHO this is much more important than the musings of individual senators or congressmen, who are being drowned out by the war hawks on both sides of the aisle.

Miloslaw
26 May 2022  #3169

children won't give a rat's ass about a rinky-dink island that speaks a poor version of the English language

Bollox.
It is America that speak a strangely accented version of English and why would a child want to go to school in a country where schoolchildren get shot dead?

Crow
26 May 2022  #3170

And what would NATO when Hungary reclaim her parts of what is now Ukraine? For sure Poland would stand with Hungary and give middle finger to Brussels, while would Russia give even more to Brussels. Many nice things

Hungary is wise.

mafketis
26 May 2022  #3171

he United States and NATO have demonstrated that they will support the Ukrainian fight with ample firepower

Not true. Ukraine is complaining that while the US has promised lots of things it hasn't been delivered and there's no indication when it will be delivered....

Russia is either stopped in Ukraine or stopped in Berlin... Russian state media has made it very clear the military aggression against Europe has only just begun.

Meanwhile foolish and weak politicians dither and want to appease Putin (worked so well in 2014, let's try it again!).

Russia is a rogue military dictatorship worthy of no respect whatsoever.

Novichok
26 May 2022  #3172

They say: "You want to avoid horrible famine in the world - call off your sanctions.".

They are willing to murder with famine millions of people,

A seller has a right to sell or not to sell and to set the terms. In this case, it's: remove the sanctions or we are not selling.

If this is too complicated for you I will try again using different words.

Russia is a rogue military dictatorship worthy of no respect whatsoever.

I agree. That's why the world should find a nicer source of food.

Bobko
26 May 2022  #3173

Another very relevant article from Bloomberg, titled: "Is Boris Johnson Dragging Out the Ukraine War".

Link: bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-05-19/is-boris-johnson-dragging-out-the-ukraine-war

This is something I've been thinking about for a while. Poor Ukrainians idolize Boris, naming babies and streets after him. To them, he is a towering giant amongst a crowd of dwarves like Macron and Scholz. Little do they know what an absolute joke he is in his home country, and how he is using them cynically to maintain his grasp on the PMship. Even moronic Brexiteers are beginning to wake up to what a total twat Boris is, and it is apparent his ship is sinking.

When the rare article comes through in Ukrainian press about the problems Boris is facing with Partygate, or how another group of Tory MPs has defected - the poor commentators are mostly accusing those MPs of being bought by Kremlin money. It's both amusing and tragic to observe at the same time. Ukrainians' best hope is a British Trump-lite with a Churchill complex, that is fighting to stay on in power.

Crow
26 May 2022  #3174

A seller has a right to sell or not to sell and to set the terms.

Yes, capitalism is very simple. Pay and you have. Don`t pay and you don`t have.

Miloslaw
26 May 2022  #3175

I was never very much interested in Asian languages

Me neither and Russian is a language used by Asians.

necessity of de-nazification

If that really was his aim, he should have invaded Serbia.
You are a classic example of a Serbian nazi!

WW3 is here

No it is not.
Stop being a drama queen.

Bobko
26 May 2022  #3176

Russian is a language used by Asians.

For once a factually correct statement.

Millions of Asians within Russia and outside Russia use Russian to communicate in their daily lives. This includes: Buryats, Tuvans, Chukchi, Evenks, Bashkirs, Tatars, Turks, Azeris, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tajiks, Mongolians, Khakas, Nenets, and many many others.

Also, don't you think it's strange how all the formerly Russian-controlled Asians (primarily Muslim and Buddhist) don't seem to come up in the news very often in connection to reports of famines, explosions or civil wars? Strange. I thought that everything Russians touch turns to ****.

Novichok
26 May 2022  #3177

There is a reason Ukrainians have reacted so angrily to this article,

...and ot my Z-P=0 that translates into: The a-holes who died for the "cause" and "freedom" died for nothing or Z swamp. Pick the one that makes you feel better. Oops...too late.

Miloslaw
26 May 2022  #3178

I thought that everything Russians touch turns to ****.

It does.
Including honest reporting of the news.

Novichok
26 May 2022  #3179

Including honest reporting of the news.

There are only two publications worth reading: Daily Mail and RT.
Those that do not allow readers' comments are garbage.

mafketis
26 May 2022  #3180

the world should find a nicer source of food

China gave the world pestilence

Russia is giving the world war

Russia will be giving the world famine

What's next?


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