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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2



Paulina
27 May 2022  #3211

@Crow, Kadyrov doesn't love Poland at all.

Not so rosy view of the situation of Ukrainian civillians turned soldiers (volunteers, not conscripted) on the Donbas frontline based on Washington Post article:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/ukraincy-opowiedzieli-jak-jest-na-froncie-jeden-ziemniak-dziennie-6773301548096064a

They were given AK-47, 30 bullets (not more, because they're expensive), they ate one potato a day and drank water every two days according to two deserters, who talked to Washington Post in a hotel.

jon357
27 May 2022  #3212

Ramzan Kadyrov, leader of Chechen Republic, has threatened to attack Poland.

This is really foolish talk.

Yes. It's also extremely dangerous.

His puppet master Putler knows very well what will happen if a NATO member state was attacked.

Strange to see people here siding with a country who would attack Poland.

Velund
27 May 2022  #3213

Strange question but can't we just plant more edible stuff ?

We lived in banker's world, that is optimised for producing so called "economic growth", i.e. to grinding natural resources (including human lives) to trash, to increase numbers in banker's computers. So, many farmers was paid to NOT grow anything on their land, and even cut the grass and leave it to rot, to be sure that there is zero production and prices for food will not drop due to overproduction, and credits, given by bankers to another farmers, will be paid back with interest.

This year is a bit too late to change anything. And sanctions to Russia included logistics ban, so even if Russia would agree to sell fertilizers, there is no way to deliver it timely. Maybe South Africa and Australia have some chances to increase output in this cycle, but bankers may not get what they planned to get in this case. Anathema!

Paulina
27 May 2022  #3214

According to CNN "Ukrainian officials in the east admit their defenses are outmanned and outgunned." :(

Strange to see people here siding with a country who would attack Poland.

Crow is an evil nutcase, so nothing he writes surprises me anymore, I guess...

mafketis
27 May 2022  #3215

nd sanctions to Russia included logistics ban,

Add to that the fact that international insurers are no longer keen to insure Russian ships, so..... once more the Russian government shows it deserves no respect whatsoever...

reuters.com/markets/commodities/russian-oils-achilles-heel-insurance-2022-05-25/

jon357
27 May 2022  #3216

zero production

And Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with blocked grain exports?

even if Russia would agree to sell fertilizers

Russia is out of the equation this year and for some time to come.

Paulina
27 May 2022  #3217

according to two deserters, who talked to Washington Post

The same deserters accuse Russia of using phosphorus and incendiary bombs (that burn people alive) against civillians which is against the international law.

hrw.org/news/2018/11/14/myths-and-realities-about-incendiary-weapons

"Incendiary weapons are among the cruelest weapons used in contemporary armed conflict. These weapons, which produce heat and fire through the chemical reaction of a flammable substance, cause excruciating burns and destroy homes and other civilian structures."

amiga500
27 May 2022  #3218

so even if Russia would agree to sell fertilizers, there is no way to deliver it timely.

Don't blame the coming famine on anyone but yourself ruski scum. real 1984 stuff, winston it's your fault u know that 1+1=2. the blood of millions of africans will be on your hands and the world will never forget.

Atch
27 May 2022  #3219

I see that the unfortunate children of Mariupol, as if they haven't suffered enough already, have now had their school holidays cancelled by the Russian 'administration' in order to spend the time preparing to switch to a Russian curriculum.

gregy741
27 May 2022  #3220

which is against the international law.

pls dont lie. they not banned by international law. they use is only banned by convention and apply to signatory states
same with mines or cluster munition. neither US nor Russia signed this convention

ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule85_sectionb
some insight. use of incendiary devices differ from country to country. bot almost non of them ban it. even Australia canada or sweden

Paulina
27 May 2022  #3221

I see that the unfortunate children of Mariupol, as if they haven't suffered enough already, have now had their school holidays cancelled

Yes, I've read about that too :/

pls dont lie. they not banned by international law.

I didn't lie, that's what was written in that wp.pl article I linked to.

Velund
27 May 2022  #3222

that's what was written in that wp.pl article

And you always believe blindly to everything you see in MSM?

Paulina
27 May 2022  #3223

@Velund, no, but it didn't cross my mind to check such info. On the other hand, it doesn't really matter if they're banned or not - civillians shouldn't be attacked, especially with such type of bombs.

gregy741
27 May 2022  #3224

I didn't lie, that's what was written in that wp.pl article I linked to.

your entire article is about how convention protocols fails to regulate incendiary munitions,and you said Russian braking international law.
you basically pointed me to the article that says there are no regulation or faulty regulations in regard to it use, geezzzz
not to mention ,this article is just an opinion, saying protocols in this convention suck . more or less
the only thing i found in international law ,restricting use of inciendary weapon is this. for some reason you cant deploy it by air, but you can by mrls launcher.dunno why they distinct it

Conditions for Permitted Use (Geneva Protocol III Article 2):
[-] Incendiary weapons which are not air delivered may be used[:]
- When the military objective is clearly separated from any concentration of civilian persons; and
- Subject to precautions to limit incendiary effects to the military objective when the tactical situation permits. [emphasis in original]

Velund
27 May 2022  #3225

Don't blame the coming famine on anyone but yourself

Russia is out of risk area. Iran too, it is just contracted necessary supply with delivery thriugh Caspian Sea route. A lot of other countries secure their shipments as well. But US/UK lapdogs should ask their masters what to eat, it is what meant by words "zone of responsibility".

jon357
27 May 2022  #3226

with delivery thriugh Caspian Sea

We need to destroy their trade links

Paulina
27 May 2022  #3227

your entire article is about how convention protocols fails to regulate incendiary munitions

I meant the Polish article on wp.pl. I found that Human Rights Watch article later on and added it later by editing my post. I didn't have time to read the whole thing. Sorry, but I'm not paid for writing on this forum, I have other things to do :P

gregy741
27 May 2022  #3228

ound that Human Rights Watch article la

so you basically ,accused Russia of war crimes,based your opinion on article that contradict it,and now you are saying that you couldnt ever be bothered to read it.

ahh never mind. its wp.pl anyway. dunno why people read news from this portal. its so bad

mafketis
27 May 2022  #3229

you always believe blindly to everything you see in MSM?

do you believe Putin visited a hospital the other day?

twitter.com/RussiaVsWorld_/status/1529807542536249345

twitter.com/UaNews_online/status/1530086004689887232

cms neuf
27 May 2022  #3230

It is entirely possible to grow second crops, use greenhouses, transport Ukie grain via road or even air freight through Poland and Romania. People can substitute other things for wheat, people can eat what is in their cupboard, retailers have inventories and countries have grain reserves - the thought that Putin could starve the world is complete hype. In fact the KGB man will see the market system at work - people who had given up growing grain will now find it worthwhile again

Countries that want to trade with Russia can do so, but must accept the future consequences of that in loss of status.

jon357
27 May 2022  #3231

Russia of war crimes,

russia are certainly accused of Warsaw veins on very strong evidence. They do not need to be a russia to anything in order to be subject to it.

can substitute other things for wheat, people can eat what is in their cupboard

This is to an extent happening already, however the amount of food wasted on wealth and sometimes nor so wealthy countries can feed millions

Velund
27 May 2022  #3232

do you believe Putin visited a hospital the other day?

Why not? He also visited Covid clinic near Moscow during first peak. Yellow protective suit he wear during that visit still kept as a souvenir. ;)

Everything can be PR action, except necrologue. ;)

jon357
27 May 2022  #3233

Why not? H

Hopefully it caught something nasty and fatal

amiga500
27 May 2022  #3234

people can eat what is in their cupboard, retailers have inventories and countries have grain reserves -

an entirely western perspective, Africa is already in a year long drought, Ukraine accounts for 40 percent of corn exports and 30 percent of grain, people on the bread line can't afford those shocks, even if they are price shocks. yes i'm aware of humanities capability to adapt and substitute.

jon357
27 May 2022  #3235

is already in a year long drought,

The number of UN Food Programme people I'm seeing at airports here in Africa shocked me this time. More than before by an order of magnitude.

I'm also noticing much more rice and far fewer grain products, as well as more people begging.

Paulina
27 May 2022  #3236

so you basically ,accused Russia of war crimes,

Dude... listen... Attacking civillians on purpose, no matter with what kind of bombs is a war crime. Even if it wasn't done on purpose then "spraying" an area where civillians live with incendiary, phosphorus bombs is effin' evil, no matter if it's forbidden by international law or not and who signed what. Okay?

dunno why people read news from this portal.

I have it as a start page on my phone :P And that wp.pl article was based on Wasington Post article.

its so bad

It's not that bad. I just don't like their sensational titles :)

gregy741
27 May 2022  #3237

phosphorus bombs is effin' evil, no matter if it's forbidden by international law or not and who signed what.

it doenst work like that hun. international law is collection of rules,not your feelings.:))

mafketis
27 May 2022  #3238

Why not?

Isn't it weird that he met someone he'd met at a factory before?

twitter.com/Tendar/status/1530087674601783296

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1529800130206978048

Velund
27 May 2022  #3239

Attacking civillians on purpose

You have real proofs, or just MSM propaganda?

Lots of proofs of ukrainian "national batallions" methodically destroying houses of civilians before retreat, to leave as little as possible to people who will never return to Ukraine. Even with video footage. Lots of proofs of terroristic shelling to Donbass cities from fortified areas near Peski and Avdyevka. Tochka-U launch from ukrainian controlled area to rail station in Kramatorsk where lots of civilians waited for evacuation train... This facts have proofs, independently verifiable, and lots of eyewitneses.

Do you have anything similar about Bucha or something?

Korvinus
27 May 2022  #3240

And what would NATO when Hungary reclaim her parts of what is now Ukraine? For sure Poland would stand with Hungary

You make the wrong assumption that we support Ukraine as an attempt to suck up to the west rather than being just part of the modern Polish-Russian pissing contest/feud/mutual butthurt.

Oh and regarding the west Ukraine annexation theory, this is something Putin himself suggest to Tusk or Sikorski or someone else way back when those Merkelite lapdogs ruled. Kremlin-affiliated media like to push this as some kind of sekkrit Polish plan, but there's no sane reason to do it. It would be a money sink, local nationalists would try to go UPA 2.0 with Wolhyn 2.0 because of it etc. Putin probably came up with it because he knew it would weaken Poland, while also sparing him the trouble of dealing with the part of Ukraine he views as most "nationalist" (or maybe nationally concious/pro-independence/russophobic, you get the idea).


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