Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Hmm... this is interesting. Shouldn't poor, surrounded by sneaky enemies, about-to-be-attacked, Russia have waited for the evil Ukraine to attack them?

Everybody would be pissed off on Ukraine, Russia would be loved all over the world - all countries would give help to Russia (even Poland would send tanks and howitzers), there would be no sanctions, a Russian music band would win Eurovision, everybody would honour Putin as a leader fighting fascist invasion of his country. Wouldn't that be a better option? Why didn't Putin just wait for the nazi aggressive Ukraine to attack him?

xD

Sorry, I know this is a sh*tty situation and a horrible war, but sometimes a bit of humour helps...

No country did more than Germany to give Putin the leverage to blackmail leaders and no country made their economy so dependent on Russian resources and no country _trusted_ Putin (and Russia) more than Germany...

Russia is responsible but Germany helped give him the tools to carry it out....

Absolute nonsense. Other countries - including Poland -bought Russian oil and gas as well, some did so to an even greater extent.

Despite, we may add, constant warnings from Poland and the Baltics (among others).

Oh, well... I suppose they did it in good faith - they thought that by treating Russia like a civilised country, it will eventually be made a civilised country (oh heilige Naivität!).

The question now is: is Scholz a proper Bundeskanzler or is he der rote Wolf im Schafspelz?

It wasn't the worst plan in the world, the problem was there was no plan B (as well as ignoring everybody warning them of their folly).

Germany absolutely bet everything it had on Russia and now that it's lost, doesn't even want to admit it was wrong...

Germany (a large part at least) does admit that it was a mistake. Tacitus doesn't - but he's not a good representative of German public opinion; I would rather take BB as litmus paper. ;)

Well.....some did....admit they were wrong, that is....

But the thing is for such a devastating failure with such enormous long term consequences (not only for Germany), nothing really happend. No resignation, nothing!

They are all still up there....

And the thing with China is the next big bummer....imagine Germany and Russia multiplicated by 10. Here too "Wandel durch Handel" was done for decades, leading Germany into a far bigger dependence than even with Russia!

If one good thing comes out of that it's the end of the Globalization. That age ends here and now....but it will be painful!

Then I'm really curious how do you call someone who blows up a theatre full of innocent civillians in the 21st century, including women and children?


It's often not possible during war and occupation. That's why Polish underground state was handing out sentences and sending it's executioners to execute collaborators. Maybe sth similar happened in this case or maybe it was done by some local underground fighters.

I don't know. I know one thing - you get terribly worked up about one collaborator possibly getting targeted and at the same time you don't give a flying f*ck about what Russia is doing to Ukraine and it's civillian population. That's f*cked up.

stop comparing right sector/azov/aidar to AK Soldiers. any living AK soldier would spit in your face
AK weren't running around with sfastica/black sun/ deadhead/wolfsangel symbols, conducting terrorist attack on girls handing food to poor people. guess what,they fought banderists


i do give a fuk.its terrible what ukra soldiers suffer on the front line. thats why i want talks, and people sitting at the table,resolving their grievances.more war is not the answer.

It's the same thing. Regardless of their personal political views, Ukrainians are united as part of their country's armed forces. Just as the AK had of political views and none.

The only AK soldier I personally know who's still alive strongly supports Ukraine in its struggle against the invader.

@gregy741, what "right sector/azov/aidar"? Do you have a crystal ball and already know who planted that bomb in the car? lol


Yeah, sure, that's why you look forward to "your boy Kadyrov cleaning Ukraine". Psycho.


What about Ukrainian civillians? You didn't answer my question - how do you call someone who blows up a theatre full of innocent civillians, mainly women and children, in the 21st century?

its a crime. there is no "but" here.if you kill civ intentionally its a war crime


cmonn , you flame and troll too.and i meant azov radicals cleaning not civilians.


not the same. its the method operandi that differs them and ideeology they follow

@gregy741, then why do you support Russian invasion of Ukraine if it's resulting in so many war crimes, death, misery and destruction? How anyone normal can support something like that?


How?


But they're "cleaning" civillians, not any radicals. And "your boy" Kadyrov is sending criminals to fight in Ukraine:

o2.pl/informacje/to-ich-kadyrow-wysyla-na-wojne-wyciekla-prawda-o-czeczenskich-bojownikach-6774396427856480a

@gregy741
You know what happens if Putin is allowed to win? Russia does this again to another country. Then they do it again and again. This is exactly what Hitler did only Hitler was better advised and better equipped. Putin and Russia will beaten because there is no other option. A new cold war has begun already. There will be no forgiving Russia from most of the world and they will be cut off for many years to come. 1991 will seem like a dream scenario before this ends.

People like you will be found and dealt with by someone, it always happens this way. Supporters and enablers are always found and dealt with in a way that best meets the level of their criminal enterprise support.

Leave it, Paulina. No point.

He would support even the likes of Alexei Bychkov, if the instructions from Kremlin said so. You can argue and reason with Russians, to some extent, because they stand on their country's side and their point of view is naturally distorted, but vermin like him are beyond help - living in the West, enjoying all the freedoms that Western civilisation brings and at the same time supporting genocidal regime that dreams of imperial conquest and enslaving nations.

There are, unfortunately, cowards who wouldn't mind seeing other countries enslaved, as long as they can leave peacefully in a safe place. Scumbags like that made Hitler possible before it was too late, and they now want to appease Putin in the same way.


He doesn't care, as long as he's safe. Cowardly vermin.

Emir Kusturica have something to say about current events...

t.me/ostashkonews/13843

Crap "double standard"....when you start a war your civilians can't expect much sympathy!

Or do you think that Russians did cry for the german civilians in WWII?

As Serbia started a war russian civilian victims will also be ignored...as anything what happens to them is seen as their fault too, as they didn't stop it.

Cruel? Not always true? Who cares! That's no double standard but an old human fact!

@Velund, it doesn't sound like Kusturica cares about "poor Ukrainian children and innocent civillians" (judging by the text, because I can't watch the video)... Even though a nation who went through armed conflicts not that long ago should understand Ukrainians better than anyone. And yet all Serbs seem to be able to say is "NATO this, NATO that, the US did this, the US did that..." No empathy whatsoever for Ukrainians.

What is wrong with all of you?

lol! Where? Who? They just sit on their hands and play possum.


IS not better, becasue Russia would use that time to prepare better and to come back another time. Unless you mean that Ukrainie as well as Poland would supported by the USA in buliding their own nukes.


At the end of a day it is uo to Ukrainians to deciside, there is no way that anyone would be able to force Ukrainians to fight against their will.

America will send Ukrainians neither M270 MLRS nor HIMARS rocket artillery, said president Joe Biden. Dmitry Medvedev commented on Telegram, praising the American president's decision.

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-usa-odpowiada-na-prosbe-ukrainy-w-sprawie-systemow-rakietowy,nId,6059688

When Medvedev is praising you, you must be doing something right. *rolls eyes* Looks like Uncle Sam wrote Ukraine off. Interesting.

Na ja....I guess he still wants to keep NATO out of it.

These rockets could reach Russia.....and IF they would do....Putin would say it was a NATO attack....

Good point, BB... Very good point, considering what the Soviet Army was doing in Germany and on it's way and when they were going back (in Poland)... NATO wanted to stop Serbs from committing ethnic cleansing... It wasn't trying to invade Serbia, annex it, civillians weren't being killed on purpose, executed, raped, robbed, whole cities and towns weren't being levelled to the ground, etc...

Sometimes I have my moments....;)

But Ukrainians are right at the Russian border - pretty much everything they shoot from there can reach Russia. There's something fishy here. I'm afraid Ukraine might have been sold down the river aready, we just don't know it yet. :(

They don't follow the same or necessarily any 'ideology'. They are fighting for their home, their culture and their lives.

about a poor cat he brutalized?


What is wrong with you? All you do is talk about empathy and feelings. It is a war waged by Russians, there is no empaty or moral standrds as you know them. I would think that you would learn that after 9 weeks if you didn't know that before. Why you always look like this suprise meme?

I would never surender to Russians, would rather pretend to surreder to take them as many as I can with granates. Those who surender are either very hopful or brave.


lol! take care of your drug problems first. you make little sense.

Probably Russia protested, and with these rockets they had a point?

After all Ukraine got and gets still lotsa other weapons where nobody protests....

I kinda believe Biden, he came through strong since the start of the invasion...and he knows the majority of USians behind him at least in this question....now leaving Ukraine to the wolves would gain him nothing at home, quite the contrary!

Yeah, it kind of doesn't make sense, does it...


No, I don't. I talk about all kinds of things, but you seem to be fixating on the "feelings" part. You remind me of Ironside in this regard. He also was this cold "robot" having a problem with people having feelings and empathy (=being human beings, not robots).


I don't. I simply responded to Velund's post. You, however, keep picking on me. What is wrong with you? Bugger off and focus on the topic of this thread and not on me. 🤦

I did and I do. Germany miscalculated and may pay dearly for it if the gas flow is cut for which it would be completely responsible.

But Germany nor any other country except Russia is responsible for this war. Nobody forced Putin's hand, he made the decision.


The same would apply for Ukraine. A few months would be enough to get Ukrainian soldiers trained with NATO equipment, and Ukraine would quickly field modern tanks and anti-air defenses.

You are the one quite hater of Slavs in Ukraine. Let them die for the reich, isn`t it.