Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Too bad they didn't kill him. Otherwise this is not even news.

so you think its okey for the state ,to blow shopping mall full of people in order to kill "collaborator"?
what your opinion ?


now what you doing is a criminal offence ,, as
intends members of the public to be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate acts of terrorism or Convention offences;

@gregy741
I say where were you when the shopping mall in Kiev was bombed on March 20, you POS. I am a lawyer dummy, I know exactly what I am saying is not a crime. I applaud Ukraine for taking out or attempting to take out Russian's and their collaborators on Ukraine soil. I further applaud those who just car bombed a Russian headquarters in Melitopol.

It's written "local media". Does that mean "Ukrainian media in general" or "local media in Melitopol"?
And I think that by "occupiers" they meant Russian soldiers.


First of all, the explosion took place "near the Kvartal shopping mall". So, it wasn't "a shopping mall full of people" that blew up.

Secondly, how do you know that the Ukrainian government had something to do with that?


Good point. Where were you then, gregy741? Where were you when the theater in Mariupol where civillians were hiding was bombed by the Russians?

ahhh okey,,in that case terrorism is cool and dandy.not in a mall,but near . understand all good now.


no. she was describing explosion and in the same sentence added behavior -reaction of people there.she didnt mention any soldiers at any point of this report .

No, I'm simply trying to help you to stick to facts, since, as we can see, you still have a problem with that and you like to blow things out of proportion and you're either exaggerating or downplaying stuff as it fits your agenda, you little demagogue :)


What "terrorism"?


Where?

blowing car in public place in order to kill people ,we call terrorism. dunno maybe in your circles you call it "western values"
wouldnt be surprised,since US founded or armed talibans,al nusra,basayew jihadists, terrorists in libia and nazis in ukraine.

@gregy741
Dont invade a country and you dont have to deal with car bombs. Pretty simple really.

It's terrorism if random civillians are targeted on purpose in order to instill fear in local population or force some political concessions, like in Munich in 1972.

If it was some particular Russian collaborator being targeted then it's an assassination. Whether it's done by a car bomb or a bullet - it doesn't matter. The problem with using explosives, of course, is that either the target's family or bystanders may get hurt. So, if it was an assassination attempt then there's a possibility it was botched - happens to the best (Mossad).

Munich attack in 1972 - terrorism

Mahmoud Hamshari - bomb in his flat - assassination (Israeli revenge for Munich)

Litvinenko poisoning - assassination

Navalny poisoning - attempted but failed assassination

no.
you sad attempt to whitewash terrorism not working here.
so far ,we know car was detonated in front of administration building by shopping mall. you dont know motives or if that was assassination attempt or act of violence to insist fear in local people or administration workers.

some reports say it was conducted during humanitarian food handout event.it happened not long ago,so we dont have full details yet

act of terrorism :
serious violence against a person;
serious damage to property;
endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; and
action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism

That's exactly what happens, Grisha, when you murder civilians, kill women and the elderly and rape children. That's exactly what happens. The local population rises up. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

If Russia continues their nazi wars of aggression, then the amount of terror that will hit them will make the Israeli-Palestinian conflict look like a kindergarten brawl, and it won't be only on Ukrainian soil.

I'm not saying it's a good thing or that I support it, but that's what happens to nazis who invade foreign countries - and it's only a beginning.

@gregy741, I'm not making any attempts to whitewash anything. I've explained to you the difference between a terrorist attack and an assassination.


Yes, I don't. Neither do you. We also don't know who did it. So why are you jumping to conlusions so quickly? You not only called it "terrorism" without knowing what happened exactly and why, but you also lied that a shopping mall full of people was blown up.


What reports? By whom?

My guess that it could be an assassination attempt comes from the info provided in the link that you posted:

"According to preliminary information, the collaborationist head of #Zaporizhzhya Oblast Yevhen Balitskyy was there."

And in the second link you posted it's written that Balitsky's niece was injured. So, there's a possibility that he was targeted.

Or it was some kind of Russian provocation.


Sorry, but that's not a definition of terrorism. You could apply this to anything. It's just a list of actions that may be used by terrorists.

that is a definition of terrorism ,unless you trying to tell me that you know better than The Crown Prosecution Service of united kingdom

@gregy741, no, it isn't - you conveniently omitted the most important part from that link :):

"one or more of the actions listed below, and where they are designed to influence the government, or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public. The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause."

The mere use of violence against someone or someone's property doesn't constitute terrorism. That would make any kind of violence, also domestic violence, "terrorism". Or Polish mafia blowing up their rivals in their cars in the 90's. Was that terrorism? No. It was called "mafijne porachunki".

was that military object? nope. it was administration building. attempt to kill administration of opponent in order to disrupt its political/administrative activity is a political cause

you cant whitewash your beloved terrorists here. there is not "but" here. its clear. either you condemn terrorism or not. and you picking on distance from shopping mall ,not gonna work


you contradict yourselves now. if i wanted to omit anything ,i wouldn't provide a link.
ii copy paste bullet points ,not gunna copy paste entire legislation

What "opponent"? There's a war going on, occupation by invading forces and Balitsky is a collaborator. AK (Home Army) wasn't just assassinating high ranking Nazi soldiers, they were also assassinating Poles collaborating with the Nazis. They were executing them as traitors. And sometimes during those assassinations bystanders were getting hurt too:

geekweek.interia.pl/historia/news-w-imieniu-polski-podziemnej-msciciele-z-armii-krajowej,nId,2655151

polska-zbrojna.pl/Mobile/ArticleShow/18479

I imagine that for Nazis AK fighters were "terrorists" :), but for Poles they were and are heroes.


No, I don't. You chose to quote only a list of actions, which is meaningless without a context. And we don't know the context of what happened in Melitopol yet.


So, what was it? Blowing up a shopping mall? An assassination attempt on Balitsky in front of or in an administration building? Or was it a humanitarian food handout event being targeted? You can't even make up your mind lol 🙄

sorry. i wrongly assumed that people have functional brain.


none of those instances are contradiction,you lie that i said food handout was the target, i said it happened during food handout.and you are the one ,saying it was assassination not me.

you twisting things not working on person with brain hun.
you digging yourselve in all those lies

Interivew with accused war criminal Shamanov... pure evil.... (delusional evil... but still evil)

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531012721713504257

It's you who's digging yourself in your own lies :))) First you wrote that a shopping mall full of people was blown up, then you wrote about a car blowing up and now you claim "it was administration building"... Do you even know what you're writing anymore? Do you just invent things as you go? o_O


No, I don't. I wrote that it could be. And you switched to that version immediately by writing that "it was administration building". Do you even know what exploded exactly?

my brain cells ,by talking to you, ;)))))
god ,you have a talent to twist things. ever though about starting political career?

@gregy741, it looks like you could be a politician and me - a journalist debunking your bullsh1t :)

So, gregy741, could you answer some simple questions concerning what happened in Melitopol?:

- why did you write that a shopping mall full of people blew up?
- why did you write about a car blowing up?
- why did you write that it "it was administration building"?

That's the usual zhopnik way. Make stuff up, get angry when challenged, change the stuff you just made up while not giving up any of the various stories you've made up.

So... the best thing is to not get too... involved.... just point out the occasional inconsistency, mock them for their inferiority and moooove on.

becouse that what reports were saying.lol
told you beffore that info is sparse cause it happened short time ago. now more info flooding,we learning about details lol. what is hard to grasp here

ffirst report by ukra mentioned shopping mall. no mention of a car at all.
twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1531154337925316609
later cnn said it was administration building
twitter.com/CNN/status/1531205624465444864
THEN SOME PEOPLE SAYS IT WAS HUMANITARIAN AID EVENT
twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1531234241828245504
have you never read live info? ahhh i forgot,you rely on WP.PL
what is clear it was terrorist act. all details we learn in time,, sometimes it take weeks or even years. like 9/11
let me take a guess, you had a husband but he run away from you. am i right?

you picking on details about event that happened 2 hours ago ,so you can whitewash terrorist act is pathetic

@gregy741, but the link you posted on the previous page stated that the explosion took place near the shopping mall and you wrote in the same post that it happened "in packed shopping mall". So why did you lie? Why don't you simply stick to what is being reported and instead you invent stuff?


No, you pathetic liar, I'm picking on your lies. You claimed that the "Ukrainian state" blew 'shopping mall full of people in order to kill "collaborator"', even though the explosion took place near a shopping mall, not inside it.

And if a collaborator was targeted, and not some random people, than it wasn't a "terrorist act".

Also, it's you who's jumping to conlusions about an event that happened 2 hours ago without knowing even the basic details, eagerly branding it as a "terrorist act", because it suits your agenda. It just shows how biased you are.

in my book, if someone blow a car in public space in order to kill people. hes terrorist.
nazi/terrorist whitewasher/supporter will pick every detail in order to whitewash. he/she will pick on missing capital letter,or shopping mail distance/car color to defend terrorist

and by the way paulina.
what AK did 80 years ago,doesnot justiffy terrorism today.there was different time.
in today world 21 century,we condemn terrorist acts.regardles of reasons.
we also dont assassinate people. if someone is guilty of crime,we take him to court and provide evidence.court is for dishing sentence not some nazii punk

It is the only option that would make a big diffrence for the future. So don't bring big words like resposiblity into it. German politicks of more than 20 years that they persued with arogance and florish seems clever and responsible. In fact it was stupid and irresponssible. It brought about that war for which Germany is responsible as well in same degree.

This is interesting... and typical.

Russian officials........ lied! (I know that's a shock... sit down and cool off for a moment)

The russian military is violating its own rules to keep soldiers in Ukraine against their will. (so much for caring out soldiers' deaths.....)

youtube.com/watch?v=iDDMuU3kpvI

Russia the empire of falsehood and deceit!

I don't think we should call them an empire here - they get off on that too much, and let's be honest here, a country with population lower than Bangladesh and GDP per capita lower than Romania is hardly an empire.

Let's just say: a place of falsehood and deceit.

Okay, a cesspit of falsehood and deceit (whose denizens somehow think they're superior to everyone else).

That is a low blow. Nobody except for Russia is responsible for this war.


But not necessarily in a positive way. Russia's military has already been weakened significantly, while Western rearment programs and Sweden and Finland joining NATO will tip the scale towards the alliance. If the war stopped today with an agreement that would secure the unoccuppied Ukraine, I'd consider it preferable than a long, drawn out war with offensives and counter offensives that will destroy Ukraine further and increases the risk of nulear escalation. I'd like to see Russia defeated and Putin ousted, but the aim should be something that can be achieved without condemning Ukraine to even greater destruction.