Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Another Nazi-psycho episode on Russian state TV:

teleshow.wp.pl/rosyjski-polityk-mowi-w-tv-o-masowej-zagladzie-wystarczy-zniszczyc-2-mln-ukraincow-6774559332956768a

A video with subtitles in English:

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531301883628986368?s=20&t=XU6PPiaEd9YwAPVZ5Ixx7w

@gregy741, Velund, etc. you keep writing about Ukrainian "nationalists", "Nazis", "banderists", "Azov", etc. So, tell me... what do you think about a guy saying on Russian state TV that 2 mln of Ukrainians should be murdered and the fact that he isn't challenged by anyone in the studio?

If only Yanukovich didn't sell his people to Russians, he run a pro-EU campaign then sold himself to Russia after got elected.
Anyway, it was internal matter of independent country. Putin essentially proved Ukrainian fears by propping up a puppet president. In 2014, Maidan protests happened, Yanukovich started shootings at peacefull protesters, escalating things further. Yanukovich chickened out and fled the country. Putin realized that Ukraine is a lost cause, and annexed Crimea out of fear of Crimea falling into pro-NATO hands.

i could find you million poles that say the same about Russians.even morawiecki officially said ,russian world should be destroyed
there are politicians in poland that claim animals are machines and dont feel pain . and there is KORWIN ECT.
OPINION of one weirdo is irrelevant. weird politicians are everywhere

Do not assume anything in laws. If [something] is not written, legal reasons for [something] is not indicated and mechanism of implementation is not defined - forget about it, it is not existent. Period.


But those who was behind all that unlawful decisions definitely had ukrainian nationalistic background. In fact, there was prior referendum about retaining USSR where majority voted for keeping "renewed" USSR, but it was ignored finally. The roosters really wanted to be the first rooster in their little coop rather than running for chief rooster of the big farm. ;) It suited the West very much - "limitrophisation" of the possible opponents and removing them from the geopolitical map of the world was a favorite game and has just been practiced on Yugoslavia. So, it would be preferential for them to have a lot of non-sovereign relatively small countries like Poland, instead of one USSR that had to be taken into account in world robbing plans for nearest future.


Proofs?

Just like in Vilnius, first was found that bullets was from different weapons that any law enforcement officials had, and trees was hit from "wrong" directions, then all evidence was swiftly destroyed.

And... "Peaceful protesters" usually does not throw stones and molotov cocktails to the police...


Please, date of original translation and name of show - I'll try to find it and hear what there really was said.

@gregy741, noone on Polish TV, including state TV, has ever called for murdering Russians (let alone 2 mln of them). Noone. Ever.


You're lying. Don't forget that I live in Poland and I took part in Polish-Russian discussions. There were Poles who were writing all kinds of things about Russians, but majority even among them wasn't calling for mass murder. Maybe nowadays some say that Russia should get nuked once and for all, but there's a difference when some internet troll is writing something like this anonymously on the internet and when it's being said publicly on state TV and is part of state propaganda.


No, gregy741, people have been posting here similar stuff from Russian TV and media on regular basis - crazy, f*cked up, Nazi-like stuff. It looks like it's the semi-official Kremlin line.

The thing is Russia is taking very little, and spending a lot of blood, equipment, time, and the morale and unit cohesion of their military to do so. And aside from equipment, they won't be able to recover those nearly as fast as the Ukrainians will be able to. And even for the equipment, Russia is having to dig deeper into their reserves and pull out older and older stuff. This is very likely Russia's last offensive gasp for a while, and they may not even manage to fully take Luhansk with it. Donetsk, Russia has already given up as not achievable for this offensive weeks ago.

It is kind of mind boggling watching the vatniks carry on in this thread. I guess it is understandable how they could say such silly things if you consider they insist on believing all the Russian spin and propaganda for trying to explain how poorly their "special military operation" is going. But some common sense ought to be able to let them work out that Russia's advances have been very slow since the first week, and they have even had one major retreat and a few minor ones in that time. And they also ought to be able to work out that Russia isn't on track to win a war of attrition either, since Russia is still just doing a "special military operation" while Ukraine is in a total war and doing a total war mobilization while having the backing of the West.

But they believe their spin and think that the terrible performing Russian army is totally thrashing the Ukrainians. If you would believe them, a historic first case in history where one army was totally thrashing another in a conventional contest to fight over territory, but only managed to make anemic gains on the ground. Every other time that has happened historically it has meant neither side totally overmatched other. And those wars almost always turned into wars of attrition where both sides took tremendously heavy casualties until one side lost the will and capability to go on.

just like you guys here, promoting terrorism ,torture and comparing azov nazis to AK. and million other vile things
point me when i said nazi like things. lol
thats you and your "true poles" gang

Surprisingly enough, for me, most Poles on this forum have been rather "balanced" (Gefreiter, Cojest, Gregy, Paulina, and others). Those that have been less so, like Pawian - still do it in a manner where I don't feel he wants my death.

However, the Brits and PAK have shown themselves to be completely unhinged, in most cases just posting some permutation of the same message they have been posting for three months. Honestly, they sound like Ansar Allah youth after hitting a Saudi drone: "Allah is Greater, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam"! Lol.

Is this a case of "more Irish than the Irish themselves"?

@gregy741, as I already wrote, whatever you may think about what we're writing here - a few anonymous people on the internet forum writing something isn't the same thing as calls for mass murder of civillians being aired unchallenged on state TV.


I've never promoted terrorism, torture and I haven't compared Azov to AK, liar.


Not you. "Experts" on Russian state TV. Can't you read?

I wonder how would you react if some "expert" on Ukrainian state TV called unchallenged for the genocide of 2 mln Russians? I bet you would go apesh1t.

You keep on saying this, despite being told that the last one with extreme views was chucked out years ago

@jon357

Come now Jon, you can't really believe this? There's plenty of them there. If you don't view seriously the proof that's come in the form of photos of tattoos and flags, then there's their roots. Azov was built on the infrastructure of the FC Metallist Kharkov football hooligans, as were some other early volunteer battalions. Football hooligans are well known for their enlightened views on race relations, right?

its wrong, same what moraviecki said. and same what julia tymoshenko said about nuking russian population in donbas
as for tv. its the time we live in. stupid tv loves controversial people saying stupid things. it makes more interesting for the masses
remember polish stadiums full of Nazis aired in the UK on national tv .before euro cup in poland?
stadiums of hate title.lol i think it was the name

I gave a link to the video. They talk in Russian lol - just watch it.

@Paulina

I watched it. First thing I have to say about this video is that you have to know who Alexei Zhuravlev is. He's an MP, from the LDPR party - which is the party of the recently deceased Vladimir Zhirinovsky. Zhirinovsky himself was famous for various statements like "George Bush - let's nuke Tbilisi together", however Zhuravlev is fast catching up to him. A few years ago he claimed that in Denmark there were brothels where zoophiles could hire a turtle - a turtle! In 2020 he introduced a bill in the Duma, which would annul an earlier law by the Soviet Congress of People's Deputies that denounced the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. He's on TV nearly every day for the past 10 years, because he says the most inflammatory things. Kinda like our Marjorie Taylor Greene or Zemmour - tv producers love him. He performs the same function as his deceased boss did.

I would not focus too much attention on him.

Re: what he actually said - I didn't see any proof of Nazism there? He provided what he felt was the breakdown of ideological supporters in Ukrainian society, to show that only some 5% held really hardline nationalist views, or 2M people. He said these people will have to be denazified, which in most cases will mean being destroyed. I'm assuming he means through armed struggle in the context of the current war. I don't think he meant sending Gaswagens around the country rounding up Nazi Ukrainians.

In principle, however, I don't think it's wrong to want to destroy ultra-nationalists. That's what they want to do to other people, so why not preemptively inactivate them?

wow.. so its statement from those people she use as proof of evil Russians. o ffs
zirinowski statements been used for years in Poland,to demonize Russians. each time polish media wanted to spit on russians ,they would use zirinowski
and it would look like " o look what Russia is saying" ect. this strategy is for absolutely stupid people and is designed for such
but it tickles polish sense of "moral superiority" confirm their stupid view of russians as "mongols" ect,
cant believe she posted those people as proof of russian evil
its like quoting korwin and saying -polish people hate women and believe they should be in the kitchen

@Bobko, Zhirinovsky was also seen as testing the waters among the Russian society for Putin - checking what Russians are able to tolerate, etc.

And it's not just this guy. There's been other links from Russian media posted on this thread about the need for "cleansing" of the Ukrainian society.


First of all, he isn't saying that they should get killed through "armed struggle". So, we don't know.
Second of all, what does it mean "through armed struggle"? By bombing civillians? Can bombs differentiate between "Nazis" and "non-Nazis"? No, of course not. That's why I doubt that those 2 mln Ukrainians should be killed "through armed struggle", according to him.

And even if he meant "through armed struggle" - killing civillians on purpose would be a war crime. Chasing out/deporting 2 mln people out of their own country would be an ethnic cleansing. Killing 2 mln civillians for their alleged views, whether with the use of bombs or bullets in the back of the head would be a war crime.

And finally... Noone challenged him. Noone disagreed. Noone said it's not OK to talk about murdering of 2 mln civillians. Noone even looked shocked or disapproving. Zero reaction.

You also think, apparently, that there's nothing Nazi-like about a genocide of 2 mln civillians.

Btw, what is this TV show called? I see it's on Россия 1? Velund, are you watching this show on TV?

if i say to murder 2 millions of russians here- you would clap

You sound like an overexcited retard lol I've posted it as a proof of what's going on on Russian state TV. There's been other videos and articles posted on this thread showing how far gone Russian propaganda is. You haven't been around earlier, so maybe you haven't seen it.


No, I wouldn't. Bobko can confirm.

Meanwhile, in the real world...

After the resonant video, where Ukrainian "refugees" in expensive cars beat cab drivers in Vienna, who made a remark about improper parking to the point of fainting, the largest cab service Uber refused to carry Ukrainians at all.

Video itself (most informative part taken from popular Ukrainian channel) for those who dare to check facts:

t.me/c/1647184667/698

There is also longer version circulated on the net, easy to find.

From one very dubious russist source on twitter...

azov battalions dropping neonazi symbols from their logo and patches.
twitter.com/linok_ua/status/1531313809461084160
ukra nazi problem solved. its like legalize rape to combat rapes problem
reminds me of al nusra changing into HTS

Link?


I would "dare", but I can't watch it lol

Velund, how about you - did you "dare" to watch that video in which Alexei Zhuravlev said 2 mln Ukrainians should be either chased out of their own country or murdered?

Finally some good news. Apparently the whole thing is supposed to end on July 1st...

wydarzenia.interia.pl/raporty/raport-ukraina-rosja/aktualnosci/news-ukrainskie-media-putin-podal-date-konca-operacji-wojskowej,nId,6061972

... here's hoping - fingers crossed. What sort of agreement will be reached is a completely different matter altogether, but at least the entire "operation" is scheduled to end in a month. поживём - увидим, as ancient Greeks used to say.

combating russian propaganda is a hard task
twitter.com/viktoriyarus34/status/1531508689764503552

So a few men driving a car with Ukrainian license plates beat up taxi drivers. OK. So what's your point exactly? Noone ever gets beat up in Russia or what? lol Are we supposed to be shocked that not all Ukrainians are saints?

Also, you wrote that "the largest cab service Uber refused to carry Ukrainians at all". Could you provide a link supporting your claim?

And what do you think about Alexei Zhuravlev saying on Россия 1 that 2 mln Ukrainians should be either chased out of their own country or murdered?

All you Russian trolls talking about Donetsk have never been there. I have been there multiple times over the last for years. Druzhkika and Donetsk specifically. I have been to Crimea and Odessa along with Kiev, Lviv and others. Not once have I met a person in any region who thought that Ukraine should be part of Russia. Not once while in these regions did I experience or hear about attacks on Russians or any other BS that you trolls are talking about. None of you have been there, none of yuo have witnessed anything and all you are doing is talking out of your @$$es.

Soviet laws mean nothing, and have meant nothing since the fall of the Soviet Union. Claims about problems with Ukraine laws or actions are irrelevant. It is called ratification by acceptance. There is 30 years of ratification by Russia of Ukraine's independence. The same with Latvia and all the others. Drowning men grasping at straws again. Happy gulag biatches!

Probably russian.

The tweet from the notorious orc propagandist that smegy741 linked to is dodgy.

t.me/c/1647184667/773

Unfortunately, Austrian Uber application is blocked to region, so I cannot install it to independently verify warning on screenshot in that post.


Not yet, but I understood about which person you talking about. It is dumb clown, that tried to mimic very smart clown (Zhirinovsky) in a stupidest possible way. One of those who want any possible PR about yourself, good or bad, except necrologue. ;) Need to look to understand what really was said and in what words, though...


You can count that Russia changed their mind, after a thorough thinking. ;) If it is was so easy to discard Yalta accords between three superpowers, what to expect about some limithrophic country that trashed their legitimate government in a coup and changed conditions that allowed to conserve status quo not written on papers as judically significant agreements.

By the way - is July 1st some sort of important date in Russia?

not yet. but they have a room in calendar for donbas independence day :))))))