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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2



GefreiterKania
1 Jun 2022  #3721

co-operation with Hyundai Rotem to mass produce K2PL in Poland

Good news. K2 is a good machine and cheaper in upkeep than Abrams.

PT-91 will probably go to Ukr

Aren't we the country who provided the most heavy weapons for Ukraine so far (240 tanks, 18 tracked howitzers on top of all the Pioruns, AT weapons and other smaller stuff)? Maybe we should take it easy a bit and wait for France and Germany to keep up with our rate of giving? We might need those weapons too, sooner rather than later.

I just hope the geniuses in the government won't give away all our PT-91s before we get those Abrams and K2s. :-/

PolAmKrakow
1 Jun 2022  #3722

Now we know that Ukraine is losing 60 to 100 soldiers per day. Russia is losing an average of 200 per day. Russia has no chance in occupying Ukraine long term with those numbers. Ukraine is definitely struggling, but definitely not experiencing losses like the Russians by way of men and equipment. Now with new long range rockets on the way, expected within a few days, Ukraine can begin to really strike Russian targets. The rocket systems are already in Europe. I wonder what happens when Ukraine can start hitting Russian bases and storage facilities behind the front lines? Looks like the Orc roast season is going to heat up, pun intended. Happy gulag biatches!

cms neuf
1 Jun 2022  #3723

What is in ruins ? Russia's economy, reputation, army and the future of its young people - victims of the KGB scum in charge

mafketis
1 Jun 2022  #3724

Russia has no chance in occupying Ukraine long term with those numbers

And according to reports is not letting contract soldiers out after their contract ends (a big deal in Russia if it becomes more widely known).

Bobko
1 Jun 2022  #3725

A lead aircraft designer at the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturer Antonov was arrested yesterday for supporting Russia's actions on social media.

Link to Ukrainian article:

unian.ua/society/inzhenera-konstruktora-dp-antonov-vikrili-v-pidtrimci-agresora-novini-kiyeva-11849112.html


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Paulina
1 Jun 2022  #3726

@Bobko, it is written that he asked Putin to grant him Russian citizenship multiple times - did he get it? lol

supporting Russia's actions on social media

So he's not only a traitor and human scum, but also an idiot lol

PolAmKrakow
1 Jun 2022  #3727

@Bobko
Looks like he should have just left for Russia. Easily could have done it the way people are being removed from Ukraine and sent there without their consent. And now, as a traitor, he gets what he deserves. This should be happening to every Russian troll on this forum who is not living in Russia. Can't live in the west and enjoy its protections and advantages without supporting the western values and ideals. It is just that simple.

mafketis
1 Jun 2022  #3728

supporting Russia's actions on social media

Fair enough. Siding with an alien invading force is usually defined as 'treason'...

What happens to Russians who express concern about the moral effects of invading a sovereign foreign country?

Oh....

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1531085507752386562

Novichok
1 Jun 2022  #3729

I wonder what happens when Ukraine can start hitting Russian bases and storage facilities behind the front lines?

I would strongly advise Z not to do it.

So far Russia tried its best to minimize civilian casualties and the numbers support this claim. The same with the government buildings in Kyiv.

So, Mr. Z, don't even think about what PAK is suggesting. I know, Mr. Z, that you are a US puppet but you are also a Ukrainian patriot and not a total moron.

cms neuf
1 Jun 2022  #3730

Wishing luck to the Ukrainians football team tonight and hope they can join the rest of the world in a football celebration in December

Thankfully Russia won't be allowed anywhere near the tournament, so it should be free of performance drugs and bribed referees

I will be watching it with the Ukrainian refugees in our street

Novichok
1 Jun 2022  #3731

With 4 million Ukrainian refugees who will never leave, take your jobs, force your salaries down, and push prices of everything up.
Later, when men are allowed to leave Z-zone, they will rape, murder, steal, and form U gangs.
Your FM band will have an equal number of Polish and Ukrainian stations and you will wonder if you are still in Poland.
On the plus side, you will not have to travel to be able to sample their delicious food and enjoy the sound of their language - soon to be co-equal to Polish and required if you want to be employed - all straight from your protector and manipulator, the USA.

In my last post, I forgot to specifically mention rents and end it with hahahahahahahaha...

mafketis
1 Jun 2022  #3732

4 million Ukrainian refugees who will never leave

Except that many have already left (and many will leave when the situation is more stable).

The economics part is dumb, they'll also create new jobs.

There were already plenty of Ukrainian men in Poland before the war and they were not overrepresented in crime and did not form gangs.

There will be more Ukrainians signs and things like that but Europeans don't lose their sh{t about it the way that Americans or Russians do...

This is really tired trolling, it takes neuroses from Russians (who have been flooded with muslim Central Asians by Putin) and troubles that Western Europe has had with Middle Eastern and African migrants and coflates them and show absolute ignorance about the realities of Poland.

What is more liable to happen is that Poland and Ukraine become a bit like Sweden and Denmark countries (which had open borders between them and the right of citizens from one to work in another long before joining the EU).

Both countries will remain sovereign and the border will be as open as is feasible and there will be some people regularly moving back and forth. Russian will lose ground to Ukrainian and Polish and Ukrainian are roughly mutually intelligible for native speakers who hear the other enough (maybe a bit like Swedish and Danish distinct but similar enough for direct communication in many contexts)

cms neuf
1 Jun 2022  #3733

Generally they still have a warm welcome - all Poles recognize the importance of our national security and besides most of us are open hearted with traditions of giving and understanding that hard times can come to anybody

Of course for someone who is old and who doesn't lead a fulfilling life and hasn't had a lot of material success then it's easy to fall back on petty jealous is and misanthropy

Cue some crap about your second hand Lexus

Velund
1 Jun 2022  #3734

end it with hahahahahahahaha...

Here's a visual illustration of how good a Ukrainian neighbor you can have...

t.me/ostashkonews/14147

A Ukrainian killed his neighbor for barbecuing in the neighboring yard

He killed him with a submachine gun received from the authorities "to protect him from the Russians". Judging by his gait, the man was obviously not in a sober state. At the interrogation, he said that he was "disturbed by the smell of meat.


Novichok
1 Jun 2022  #3735

The economics part is dumb, they'll also create new jobs.

That's not a valid indicator. There are only so many jobs a normal society needs. Many of the U jobs will be taken not "created".

The econ part is not dumb. Third-world migrants produce less in taxes than they and their families consume in taxes. The difference is taken from the natives in taxes and fees or by printing new money - another form of legalized theft.

Generally they still have a warm welcome

Very good sentence. I am proud of you. "Generally", "still" - nice hedge words.
If their numbers will grow - and there is a reason for that - how many will make you switch to "no longer"? 8 million?

Cue some crap about your second hand Lexus

Third hand. I can buy a new one for cash today. I am not stupid so I won't.

Western Europe has had with Middle Eastern and African migrants

And a lot more are coming...You know, famine makes people do heroic things. So start learning greetings in African. Russia's revenge for those sanctions will be sweet to watch.

Me thinks those were a mistake. Time to reconsider before the first flotilla...

Velund
1 Jun 2022  #3736

Meanwhile, in the real world...

The Russian Armed Forces were able to break through the ukranazi defenses at the outskirts of the Sviatogorsk. Prior to this, the neighboring village of Yarovaya was liberated.

The capture of Sviatogorsk is a matter of the near future. The next target of the Russian Armed Forces should be Slavyansk๐Ÿ’ช


mafketis
1 Jun 2022  #3737

Third-world migrants

Ukraine is not the third world... don't you know anything? You like Uncle Vova so.... probably not.

If their numbers will grow - and there is a reason for that

Yes, the reason for that is called "Russia".

So start learning greetings in African. Russia's revenge

Completely unrelated issue. I would propose shoving any migrants brought about by Russia's insane war right across the Russian border. Surely you think they'd be better off there...

The Russian Armed Forces

Why aren't the Russian Armed Forces releasing contract soldiers?

youtube.com/watch?v=iDDMuU3kpvI

cms neuf
1 Jun 2022  #3738

Very unlikely - you will need a wheelbarrow load of Potemkin Rubels just to buy a shrink of that Russian own brand cola. New cars are only available to those close to power - something that won't apply to you unless it's being deputy assistant secretary of the VIIth park improvement society

Bobko
1 Jun 2022  #3739

So he's not only a traitor and human scum, but also an idiot lol

Traitor, scum, idiot... How about the fact, that this man is one of those best positioned to gauge the extent of damage done to Ukraine's economy through its severing of its former links with Russia? Pre-2013, Antonov was coming out of a long 20 year slump, and the future seemed bright. Guess why? Because the Russian Ministry of Defense was placing numerous orders for transport aircraft with Antonov instead of the domestic Ilyushin, Yak, Tupolev. Though it led to outrage at home, Russia was willing to procure and produce An-158, An-178, and even restore production of the enormous An-124 Ruslan. Since 2016, Antonov has unfortunately not delivered a single aircraft to a single customer.

After the Maidan all the orders evaporated, together with tens of billions of dollars in other military industry tie-ins. This included naval diesels, gas turbines, rocket engines, jet engines, guided munitions, and other items that absolutely nobody will buy from the Ukrainians except for Russians. The reason being that Russian weapons were designed with these components in mind, while Western and Asian weapons manufacturers have their own vendors to protect. Nobody is gonna give Ukraine handouts, that will help it become a competitor to their own companies.

This man has seen his entire life's work destroyed for the promise of being a "European". Instead of working with their brothers on building something to compete with Airbus and Boeing, his government has forced this legendary design bureau to become a struggling airline company (Antonov Airlines). The managers that are rotated annually through Antonov from the state arms holding, UkrOboronProm, are incompetent sacks of sh!t that excel only at stripping Antonov of assets. So don't be too harsh in judging this man.

PolAmKrakow
1 Jun 2022  #3740

@Novichok
Really? You would advise against it? After Russia has blown most of their heavy weapons in the region, its definitely going to be payback time. Good thing you advise no one. You must be a terrible chess player.

gregy741
1 Jun 2022  #3741

Traitor, scum, idiot

if hes ukra citizen of Russian ethnicity.... isnt he a patriot ?,hes russian after all?haha the mind of polish nationalist is hilarious.

jon357
1 Jun 2022  #3742

Traitor

Yes, he is.

Ukraine's economy through its severing of its former links with Russia

They left the Soviet bloc through choice and wish to remain apart from russia and it's scummy inhabitants.

their brothers

The orcs are not their 'brothers'.

If russia is that good, why is the life expectancy low and declining and why do so many of the working class live in homes without their own flush toilet?

Cojestdocholery
1 Jun 2022  #3743

Sviatogorsk.

have you see the map? Happy mincemeat day.

This man has seen

Still, when there is a war he should choose the side. Act of sitting on the fence or to cheer the other team from the other side of the fence is called treason. Doesn't matter if he had some valid issues to like this or that.

I don't like a a lot of people in Poland or this or other policies or issues but I wouldn't cheer on an invading force, after Butcha it make his broodings stupid.

So don't be too harsh in judging this man.

Why? Becasue he supports Russia? What about those Russians that are against the war. Fine, prison and so on, just for being agianst the war of aggresion.

There some Russians that fight for Ukrainie. Should we not judge them harshly? After all there are against authoritarian/tyrannical Russian regime.

mafketis
1 Jun 2022  #3744

Instead of working with their brothers on building something

That would just be stolen by said "brothers"....

Ukraine no longer wants any kind of close association with Russia and hasn't for some time now. How stupid are the leaders of the Russian state that they are incapable of grasping this simple fact... too busy planning their next yachts I suppose...

Bobko
1 Jun 2022  #3745

@mafketis

They are free to cut their ties with us. As long as they are fine with going from a manufacturer of turbines and rocket engines, to largely a sunflower and rapeseed oil exporter.

Cojestdocholery
1 Jun 2022  #3746

As long as they are fine with going from a manufacturer of turbines and rocket engines,

I wouldn't worry about that.

Bobko
1 Jun 2022  #3747

@Cojestdocholery

Oh yeah? Why should I not worry about that Cojest?

Velund
1 Jun 2022  #3748

Ukrainian (in forced exile) lawyer Tatyana Montian continues to delight us with her posts. Almost 30 years of experience as a lawyer and the habit of getting to the heart of the matter and summarizing a pile of documents in a concise speech strictly on the case is impressive...

Shambles in the toilets ๐Ÿšฝ

The fake spread by the Ukrainian media and telegram channels about toilet bowls being among the other prey of the "bloody orc marauders" could not leave me indifferent. Propagandists and the staff of the "Center of Psychological Operations" explain this by the fact that the wild Horde had never seen the sanitary goods of civilization before participating in the Special Military Operation! Neither had they ever seen washing machines, paved country roads, or lacy panties. ๐Ÿ˜‚

That would be funny if it weren't so sad. Indeed, some settlements in the Russian Federation are still deprived of sewage facilities. Thus, according to Rosstat data for 2019 (rbc.ru/economics/02/04/2019/5ca1d7949a79475d1c2f6e4a), 22.6 percent of the population did not have access to centralized sewerage. Is this not a reason to gloat about the "slumbering Asian neighbor"? What a victory over the sworn enemy!

But, firstly, in Russia a tendency to progressive improvement of this sad statistics (about 2% per year), and secondly, we need to take into account the vast territory of the country, the lion's share of which lies in the harsh northern latitudes, which is an unfavorable factor for the laying of sanitary communications.

And here we have to beat the enemy with European superiority of Nenka, where every house has even a jacuzzi! But then the victory turns into a shame... 41% of Ukrainians do not have access to centralized sewerage (ukrstat.gov.ua/druk/publicat/kat_u/2018/zb/07/zb_jf_2017_pdf.pdf) and in cities - 23% (in Russia this figure is only 9%). The comparison is very sad in terms of centralized water supply, which is absent in 39% of households (in Russia - 16%). But propaganda is bashfully silent about this, of course. That's what propaganda is all about. And something tells me that the Russians are unlikely to be happy about this statistic, except for an ironic grin. At least because they themselves have a lot of unresolved problems in this area. ๐Ÿ˜’

So where does the myth of the stolen toilet come from? Maybe it is a phantom pain of khutor consciousness of rahuli, born by wooden toilets and burdocks? Such a materialization of the unique identity of the Svidomites. By the way, only 28% of rural homes have centralized communications. Ruin, as we can see, is in the toilets, and in the heads.

PS: And what is going on in the states, the paragon of welfare and the light of comfort, shining el Dorado of the Ukrainian dream? There are 21 million households there (about 20%) also have to do without central sewage system. How about that, Elon Musk? ๐Ÿ˜œ


Cojestdocholery
1 Jun 2022  #3749

How about that, Elon Musk?

About what you old Soviet ****? Working for Putin and Russian nazis?lol!

Bobko
1 Jun 2022  #3750

22.6 percent of the population did not have access to centralized sewerage.

I live in America now. The percentage of people without access to centralized sewerage here must be higher than in our formerly centrally-planned country. Quite a few people that I know that live outside the city, have their own septic tanks and wells. Also very often they have their own boilers, which is still unusual in CIS, where most people get central heating from co-generation thermal/power plants.


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