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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2



jon357
3 Jun 2022  #3991

more like $100

Makes all the difference.

Must be why they've got such a poor reputation.

who are we to say where they can go and what they can do?

International and national law can say what they can do. And right now they're doing an illegal invasion and committing war crimes.

an attempt to kill more of us

So the orcs can get back within their own borders. They are not wanted in Ukraine where they are fortunately losing.

30,000 dead now, isn't it...

jon357
3 Jun 2022  #3992

Always the spoiler

The spoiler who always win.

the French...Americans

The French hate everybody and the Americans love us.

Ukraine like us too...

try minding your own business.

Try minding yours and get out of Ukraine. It is not your country and you are not wanted there.

Bobko
3 Jun 2022  #3993

Try minding yours and get out of Ukraine.

"Our business" and "Ukraine" are synonymous terms. So yes, we are minding our own business. Your leader, Boris, seems to have an idea that he can cover his embarrassment at home with some Churchillian leadership in support of a foreign conflict. I'm afraid he will end the same way Churchill did, electorally, except people will not write about him as anything other than a once popular reactionary leader of post-Brexit Britain.

Zelensky and Boris - the two Churchills of our time. Duda hanging around somewhere in the corner.

jon357
3 Jun 2022  #3994

Our business" and "Ukraine" are synonymous terms

Except they very obviously aren't.

If they were, the orcs would have been welcomed with open arms instead of superior firepower...

Boris

Boris Johnson? Yes, he's been good about assisting Ukraine defend their country against the unwanted invaders. Poland has too.

Such a contrast to France and germany who've done so little.

I'm afraid he will end the same way Churchill did

Retire as PM at 80, live until 90 and be revered as someone who didn't quit in the face of totalitarian threats?

pawian
3 Jun 2022  #3995

write about him

Nonsense. Churchill is widely known for standing up to Nazi Germany and winning. Johnson will also be remembered till the end of this world as the one who successfully said NO to Putin and his KGB mafia . You whine and moan because you know that Johnson plays a great role in destroying RuSSist plans.

Boris Hammer of the Orcs Johnson sounds fantastic! Many thanks! :):)

Down with Mongol savages! Back to Asia where you belong! Won, swołoczo.

Bobko
3 Jun 2022  #3996

Boris Hammer of the Orcs Johnson sounds fantastic! Many thanks! :):)

Read and educate yourself, baboon, what smart people are saying:

bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-05-19/is-boris-johnson-dragging-out-the-ukraine-war

Paulina
3 Jun 2022  #3997

Poland should be a bridge between east and west , be a example of diplomacy

Russia and the West don't need any bridge to talk to each other lol They've never had any problems with talking over our heads. Wake up.

not a warmonger

Russia invaded, stupid. Russia is not only the warmonger, but also the war-maker.

"Our business" and "Ukraine" are synonymous terms.

Ukraine disagrees.

pawian
3 Jun 2022  #3998

Wake up.

Trying to dupe and divide Poles doesn`t cost RuSSists anything. It comes so naturally to them. :):)

gregy741
3 Jun 2022  #3999

divide Poles doesn`t cost RuSSists anything

lol. poles are best in dividing itself. if you dont have imaginary external threat ,poles jump to each other throats. like PIS vs PO
only hatred toward other nations(germans, Russians, immigrants ,jews) unite you

GefreiterKania
3 Jun 2022  #4000

@gregy741

Unite "you"? So you are no longer pretending to be a Pole, Grisha? Good :)

gregy741
3 Jun 2022  #4001

imagine having mayor of your city driving around your city in car with license plate numbered 14/88 and praising hitler

worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/local-jews-worried-about-behavior-of-neo-nazi-mayor-of-ukrainian-town-12-2-2015

o ffs

pawian
3 Jun 2022  #4002

only hatred unite you

Unite or divide, depends. :):):) As for RuSSians, they are a uniting agent. :):) Hardly any Pole would like to live in RuSSki World - we are civilised Europeans after all. That is why we are helping Ukraine to avoid that sad fate of being under the RuSSist boot - they do deserve sth better.

Paulina
3 Jun 2022  #4003

Trying to dupe and divide Poles doesn`t cost RuSSists anything. It comes so naturally to them. :):)

Yup, divide and conquer.
As for the cost, they're actually ready to pay money for that:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/putin-chcial-rozbic-duzy-kraj-ue-byl-gotow-wyslac-zolnierzy-6775515357231712a

lol. poles are best in dividing itself. if you dont have imaginary external threat ,poles jump to each other throats.

Well, I don't think we ever had anything as bloody as the Bolshevik revolution in Russia :)
And as for imaginary external threat - I don't think there's any other country in Europe that would have such an acute "besieged fortress" syndrome as Russia does. Did you watch that video on YouTube made by a Russian from Transnistria who lives in Poland that I linked to? He talks about it a bit in that video.

only hatred toward other nations(germans, Russians, immigrants ,jews) unite you

Bullsh1t. What always united Poles was the fight for independence. And why "you" and not "us"? Aren't you supposed to be a Pole or something? Or did you mentally checked out of the Polish nation already? lol

pawian
3 Jun 2022  #4004

Is anyone here to explain how Poland is more democratic than Russia?

In multiple ways. The first thing that comes to my mind is that I can write or say extremely negative comments about our rulers and I don`t get imprisoned for that. Yet. In RuSSia, it isn`t so obvious. 5 years for defaming the "brave" RuSSist army. That was just one example of many.

Paulina
3 Jun 2022  #4005

Is anyone here to explain how Poland is more democratic than Russia?

If someone has to explain it to you then you're either very ignorant about both countries (which means you either don't care or don't want to know) or you're very stupid. Either way (or both), explaining this to you is a waste of time.

@Novichok, and as far as talking about history in Russia is concerned - some guy got 300 000 rubles fine for defaming... Stalin...:

wyborcza.pl/7,75399,20632171,co-w-rosji-piszczy-300-tys-rubli-za-szkalowanie-stalina.html

pawian
3 Jun 2022  #4006

he remained it to Tusk on twiter,

You are lying just like gregy the RuSSist. It is sad that you are colluding with them.

gregy741
3 Jun 2022  #4007

You are lying just like gregy the RuSSist

lying? polish state admitted unlawful detention,under pressure from int. org. . and paid him 7k zloty compensation for 3 years of detention (lol)
he was a political prisoner. now suing polish state.its not only him
its scary that the state can lock you for years without and evidence and no charges pressed,regardless of reasons.

Paulina
3 Jun 2022  #4008

Poland is a post-communist country and isn't exactly the greatest beacon of democracy, especially these days. But even under PiS Poland is light years ahead of Russia in this respect. And it's just getting worse and worse in Russia, not better.

gregy741
3 Jun 2022  #4009

Poland is light years ahead of Russia in this respect

dunno about that. i dont think there would be a single public person brave enough to support Russias narrative today. and it would get him into serious trouble.

losing job would be a minimum .
not even by supporting invasion but merely justifying it would get you to jail.
even people, who just call for/and advocate diplomatic solution are called traitors.

pawian
3 Jun 2022  #4010

he was a political prisoner.

No, he wasn`t arrested for critisizing the government., he was suspected of being a member of a drug trafficking gang, quite a frequent activity for some radical soccer fans. Another contrite member involved him in the case.

That is why I must repeat - stop lying coz it is useless.

no charges

Stop lying, RuSSist.

cms neuf
3 Jun 2022  #4011

You would not lose your job for supporting Russia if you were on a regular employment contract - that would break the law and despite Ziobro's best efforts there is still rule of law and employment rights here

Paulina
3 Jun 2022  #4012

@gregy741, general sentiment among the society and calling someone a traitor isn't the same as sending the last remaining opposition leaders for years to labour colonies or killing them in the street.

not even by supporting invasion but merely justifying it would get you to jail.

I am not aware of any law in Poland that would allow for that or any such case.

losing job would be a minimum .

Any examples of this happening?

even people, who just call for/and advocate diplomatic solution are called traitors.

People are called "traitors" for all kinds of reasons, depending on who is calling who a traitor, not only in Poland. And don't even get me started about what people are called "traitors" for in Russia... 🙄

mafketis
3 Jun 2022  #4013

Another day, another Rosgvardia office set on fire, this time in....Komsomolsk on Amur...

twitter.com/russiasonfire/status/1532819793635573761

And in other news, there's a twitter channel now devoted to fires in Russia.... it's my understand that, for various reasons related to incompetence and apathy, fires are very, very common in Russia

but now some of these seem like sabotage (like this one)

others apparently (like Perm) are related to infighting between government agencies

and others, like the 'business center' in Moscow today are probably related to insurance scams (the building was probably hermorrhaging money due to sanctions)

gram some popcorn and enjoy the show!

Miloslaw
3 Jun 2022  #4014

And don't even get me started about what people are called "traitors" for in Russia... 🙄

Gregy741 is either a Russian or a Polish extremist of either the left or the right,that believes in and wishes for a hard dictatorship in Poland.

I reckon he's a Russian.

mafketis
3 Jun 2022  #4015

Ukrainian soldiers mocking German "aid"

twitter.com/InsiderEng/status/1532627874678771712

Either Germany is very irrelevant in the EU in the future (along with France) or there won't be an EU....

Miloslaw
3 Jun 2022  #4016

Either Germany is very irrelevant in the EU in the future (along with France) or there won't be an EU....

Germany and France are destroying their reputations to a degree that it may even effect the existence of the EU.

gregy741
3 Jun 2022  #4017

Gregy741 is either a Russian or a Polish extremist

my views are of old man who dont like confrontations and lies. i dont hold grievances to other nations,and dont follow historically motivated hostile attitude like PIS people.

seek the truth and diplomacy. am too old for fistfights lol
dont allow lapattina/denisova brainwash you into national hate hysteria
even Macron today said. he had enough of lies about Russia and it must be stopped ,cus is not helping.(more or lesss meaning of hes statement)

wiadomosci.wp.pl/wojna-w-ukrainie-kontrowersyjne-slowa-macrona-nie-powinnismy-ponizac-rosji-6775960346835616a

Miloslaw
3 Jun 2022  #4018

my views are of old man who dont like confrontations

That tells me that you are an old commie at heart.

even Macron today said

That tells me.that you.are an idiot, because you listen to what Macron says.
Even the French now largely hate him, he was only re elected because the alternative was a right wing extremist.

gregy741
3 Jun 2022  #4019

That tells me.that you.are an idiot

am an idiot? you destroying your economy and future ,fighting for delusions of some "sluchajcie 5 minuta ,dobijaja prezydenta" kaczynski.
hes the one and hes buddy shakashvili made this mess in ukra. now you pay 300% increased energy bill for this idiocy

Paulina
3 Jun 2022  #4020

my views are of old man who dont like confrontations and lies.

What a bullsh1t lol For someone who doesn't like lies you lie very often.

dont allow lapattina/denisova brainwash you into national hate hysteria

I see that there's something you don't understand. Even if all that info about war crimes committed by Russian soldiers wasn't true, the fact would remain that Russia invaded one of our neighbours (fulfilling the worst Polish nightmares in this way) and is destroying Ukraine and killing it's people. If you add to that the insane, hateful and very dangerous propaganda on Russian TV that we're able to see with our own eyes thanks to people monitoring it, all the Russia's lies and the stuff that Velund and Bobko are writing on this forum - it's enough for me to hate Russia.

I don't need any Lapatina or Denisova to hate Russia. It's enough for me to see what Russia is doing, it's enough to listen to Putin, Lavrov, Zakharova, etc. and those crazy a$$holes and b1tches on Russian TV and to read comments of Velund and Bobko. Do you understand?

Macron today said. he had enough of lies about Russia and it must be stopped ,cus is not helping.(more or lesss meaning of hes statement)

No, he hasn't said any such thing. Stop lying, for God's sake!

All he said was:

"We shouldn't be humiliating Russia, so we could build further relations through diplomatic channels when the fighting stops."


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