Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

It's sovereign enough :) We got into the EU out of our own free will and we're staying in it out of our own will, as polls show, noone is forcing us. The EU is a union of many countries, so it's obvious that we all have to abide by some rules and take the interest of other countries into account.


Like pulling out Polish forces from Iraq? ;)

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/wydarzenia/artykuly/65995,polscy-zolnierze-beda-w-iraku-nielegalnie.html.amp

It doesn't look like you know or understand much about Polish politics and how we view our interests. We don't have "masters", but we do view the West as our allies. Maybe we don't view every country in the same way and to the same extent, but, still... We joined the EU and NATO, because that's what the Polish society wanted, not just our politicians. And noone forced us to join anything.

Also, just like you can see in that article about pulling out Polish forces from Iraq, Poland isn't a political monolith. Tusk wanted to pull out our forces, but president Kaczyński was against it. Tusk's government was more pro-EU and Kaczyński and the rest of PiS was more pro-US. PiS was even accusing Tusk and his party of being Germany's and Russia's "puppets" and "traitors". In fact, the mentality of PiS reminds me of the mentality of pro-Putin Russians - you all see "puppets" and "traitors" everywhere :)))

The same is with Ukraine - we support it not because some kind of "masters" told us too. If you think that this is the reason then you must be completely ignorant of Polish history and mindset.


Oh come on, we know that it's not about age or training, because Putin allowed oldies to be conscripted ;)

youtu.be/QtnfpaSdZMo

This is basically the profile of most hamerican soldiers that are currently in bases in Poland. The US government has to collect them from the street and the ghetto, if they weren't sent to countries like Germany or Poland, they would otherwise be selling drugs on the street or already doing time in a jail. Well off white American families with better prospects certainly would not send their sons to the US military, they would instead enroll them in universities like Harvard, Berkeley, Yale or UCLA.

@Crnogorac3, you do realise that joining the army is often the only way out of poverty for many Russians?


The US army is paying for college education of their soldiers, so I think it's possible that this is one of the reasons for people joining:

todaysmilitary.com/education-training/paying-college

So, these are people who want to get an education. It doesn't sound like a bad profile :)

We welcome them gladly here, btw :))

The American army recruits from all sectors of the population, all backgrounds, all ethnicities - it is one of the few really integrated institutions in the US

Compare that with Russia where the ruling classes can easily bribe their way out of conscription and leave the dying to the village boys and the Asians

Another day.... another dead general? Or was that yesterday?

Unconfirmed reports that general Berdnikov was killed in the same attack as Kutuzov yesterday...

Some suggest that Kutuzov was publicized by the russkies in order to draw attention away from Bernikov (a much bigger kill, if true).

How many generals are left between the killed and fired? Maybe Putin should visit the front lines himself! Excellent idea, he needs to take charge and get close to the action!

U.S. MILITARY CONTINUES TO DEMONSTRATE ITS WESTERN VALUES IN THE BARRACKS

WATCH

bitchute.com/video/k5xaTUOVJcJH/

Russian soldiers report that they often find a bunch of dildos in AZOV bases.....



We can see how ukrops received such "training" from their hamerican instructors.

;)

@Crnogorac3, Americans like doing pranks, bets and stuff like that, so take it easy... and don't get too excited ;D


Suuuure they do :)) We "believe" you lol

Are they the ones who made your government close its airspace to the hideous ghoul Lavrov?

What do you think about that?

Indeed, I was truly surprised that Crna Gora (Crna Gora je Srbija?) did close its airspace to him.

Long live Crna Gora!

We will chop wood if we have to. In fact I have plenty at my farm already chopped if any PF members are short.

We know Putin must be defeated as he is a threat to Poland

Doesn't matter to you - in Illinois you will be safe.

Rest of your post is typical Stormfront nonsense about gays.

Great. Chop all the wood you want. I'm sure Putin is crying because trees are being felled in Poland. Maybe it'll even pay for a 5th HIMARs system to be sent to Ukraine, because you know, if 4 pieces of artillery can change the outcome of the war than with a 5th one Putin's army is doomed.


And I'm sure chopping wood will defeat him. Afterall, the sanctions totally backfired since Russia now makes more money off gas and oil sales than even before the war. I'm sure chopping trees will totally change the situation and ultimately lead to Russia's collapse and thus the Ukraine taking back the quarter of the country that's been "evacuated"

This is utter nonsense the Nazi boy Dirk is spreading. Never ever did the Polish government tell people to go and chop wood for heating.

- People can only take firewood already lying on the ground, and cannot cut down trees - said deputy climate and energy minister Edward Siarka.

It is 100% true that the government is telling people to use wood for heating. I used the statement "go chop some wood so you can really stick it to Putin" to describe the hilarity of this situation. Whether it's chop wood, collect wood, drag twigs out of the forest, whatever it doesn't matter.


"It is always possible, with the consent of foresters, to collect branches for fuel," said deputy climate and energy minister Edward Siarka.

So again, go collect some twigs, chop a tree, whatever - either way you'll really stick it to Putin before the climate change people in Brussels find out.

Hurry up guys - every twig will result in one less Russian soldier in Ukraine. Every bundle of twigs you collect is a barrel of oil that Putin didn't make money on!

So stop reading and typing and go collect firewood!

People who aren't Polish like Dirk don't understand that, but the plain fact is that if he supports Putin invading Ukraine, he'd support Putin invading Poland.

There's a word for "Poles" like Dirk... (begins with zdr....)

There exists only one hope for salvation:

youtu.be/VJcnuZB4Xt4

Car sales in Russia fell by over 80% compared to last May:
autonews.ru/news/629dd1159a794792d37d3608

Zelensky stated during a press conference today that there is a total of 2,500 Azovstal defenders in Russian prisons. He also said that the Ukrainian GRU is responsible for returning them home through a prisoner exchange. Then he went on to call Russians all sorts of names.

Is it just me, or is it strange that this process has been entrusted to military intelligence, instead of, for example - a human rights ombudsman? Crap - I forgot they fired her. Still, how the hell does that work with the GRU, and why is it necessary?

During his initial statements a few weeks ago, Zelensky said it was the GRU that achieved the safe "evacuation" of Azov fighters. Even though it was pretty clear that Russian military police and Red Cross employees were the ones that achieved anything. Now the GRU is supposed to get them back?

Does he think it is to the benefit of Azov fighters, when he goes on public television and says GRU agents are maintaining contact with them? To me it sounds like all this will bring is some beatings for them this evening and a confiscated cell phone.

Does Zelensky think it is conducive to his goal of freeing the Azov fighters to say that talking to Russia is useless because they always lie? Sounds like he studied at the Duda International Academy of Foreign Affairs.

Hard times for fantasy Lexus owners like Rich eh ?

Hilarious reading that list of clapped out sardine cans - no wonder the Ukies are fighting tooth and nail to avoid becoming part of the scrap metal empire

Still - there might be 6 new Jaguars parked outside the 24 hour sushi bar - paid for by theft of the peoples minerals

that Russia invaded Ukraine, killed tens of thousands of people, doing untold harm to cultural monuments and wrecking its economy..... for ....... what precisely?

Russia started this, no Russian has any right to talk about "strange" behavior from Ukrainians. Get out of Ukraine and then we can talk.

If russia a. had the ability (which they fortunately don't) and b. were able to get away with it (which they aren't) , they would certainly try to invade Poland. They did it twice in the twentieth century.

Some of the crazier ones here see russia's invasion of Ukraine as a kind of culture war. It isn't. It is a real war. Most of the other stuff they endlessly rant on about is demented too.


Since Kim Philby, Burgess and before (and even more Poles - we just don't hear about them) russia has encouraged traitors. They have some sort of appeal for mentally ill oddballs like Assange/Snowden/Manning, Vassall, Aldrich Ames etc.

It's part of their hybrid war Playbook nd they are doing this right now in Ukraine. Fortunately others are better at it than them.


It wasn't yesterday and it wasn't a female race. It was a mixed competition.

@Dirk diggler

Thank Zelensky, Dirk, that he extended the State of War by another 3 months. Right now, the only Ukrainian men you are seeing in Poland are either those that were there pre-Feb 24, those that bribed their way out, or those that are old enough (62+) to travel abroad.

The Ukrainian parliament briefly discussed making it a crime for military age men to remain abroad, but has dropped the idea. So, you should get to keep the men already there. However, if in three months time the state of war is not extended by some further months, prepare to see millions and millions more of Ukrainian men.

Already Facebook and news websites in Ukraine are full of comments from men saying: "I miss my wife, I miss my kids. There's nothing for me to do here because there is no work."

I suspect the large majority of the millions of men heading your way will be from Western Ukraine - your favorite type of Ukrainians. The low IQ guys that like marching around in SS Galitchina uniforms, and tipping over monuments in Polish cemeteries.

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Putin did. There need not be a war at all.


Again in Vladolf Putler's hands. He started a war without provocation and is prosecuting out without success and humiliating his country in the process. All he has to do is withdraw.

The Comedian-In-Chief and his GRU cronies will enjoy their UK citizenship soon enough.


You forgot jews... they got a special pass in coordination with Israel (specifically "halachic" jews meaning those born to a jew mother), but yes, those men who wanted to go to Poland with means bribed their way out or paid smugglers. Those without got separated at the border gates. It's a porous border, it's not that hard to cross over. The whole northern area like near the border of Belarus is all forest and wildlife preserve. There's a river but it's not very wide. If you really want to get out it wouldn't be that difficult, just require planning and time.


Precisely why they're going to move to Poland especially if their family is already there and even more so if their house got flattened and the opportunities in the new country are much better. Ukrainians make around $300-$500 a month, in Poland they'll make at least $1,000-$2,000 for the same kind of work.

They realized this before the war, now the incentive is even higher to remain and for more men to come.

In the meantime, the Polish citizenry is not only footing the bill for all of this, but also has to deal with all the other problems that come with it - increased inflation, supply shock for goods, depressed wages, low housing stock, overcrowding in cities, etc. And you get a lot of these young aggressive types that think they're hot **** because they're now making 25 z an hour ready to fight or even stab you for any perceived slight.

One estimate I read stated that Wroclaw is now 25% Ukrainian - that's really scary to me and quite frankly I believe it. There were already tons of them before the war, I can only imagine now. Every time I'd visit there'd be more and more of them to the point where you couldn't walk anywhere without hearing Ukrainian or a Ukrainian accent trying to speak broken Polish.

Our governments answer: go collect some firewood, that'll really show the Russians!

Don't blame Ukraine or Zelensky for the insanity of your tsar (as much as you may love being a citizen of his zhopa....)

Putin could stop this war at any time... the only way Ukraine can stop it is by stopping Russia....

The Polish citizens are footing the bill but only those who live in er....Poland

So you don't have to worry about it because you don't pay any Polish tax.

Those of us who are true Poles are happy to make sacrifices for our fellow man - we know that we could be next

When I told that there is no monolithic Ukrainian nation, this also meant that not all of them falls into your description above. But Poles see mostly this kind...

One (not so) fun quote for this theme...

Ukraine should be renamed UGIL, that is, the Ukrainian Gosudarstvo (state) of Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv, since it is from there the ones that occupy leadership positions in the country. Such a proposal was voiced on Sunday, June 5, by Vladimir Rogov, a member of the main council of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye region.

He specified that the natives of Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv, cities in Western Ukraine, are "satraps of the Kiev nationalist regime," because the authorities do not trust the people. Their main task, according to the politician, is to "intimidate, humiliate, and terrorize the local population.

Compare Russian abbreviation UGIL with IGIL for well known "Islamic State of Iraq and Levante"...

Not anything that concerns Russia. Nothing any Russian says about Ukraine or Urkainians is needed. All that's needed from Russians is to get out of Ukraine (all of it).

What is wrong with you that you can't understand that?

Yes, of course. US taxpayers is generous people. Only thing we have to fix is to replace defective chinese cells in batteries for command and targeting units. ;) Yes, we understand that set of 6 missiles in start containers and one command unit is just around $1.4M and manufacturer have to save on everything... ;)

@Velund

Funny you mention these batteries. I have not heard of this problem with Javelin before. However, all the UKR prisoners on telegram all sh!tying on NLAW because of batteries. More often than not the batteries are dead, and you expose your position like an idiot only to realize it won't fire.

As usual a lie.

russians lie like others breathe. Even about the chemical weapons attack in Salisbury