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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2



johnny reb
7 Jun 2022  #4261

I see on the news this morning that the Finnish women are training and preparing to fight.
How many Polish women are in the Polish military ?

jon357
7 Jun 2022  #4262

How many Polish women are in the Polish military

Not many though some have joined over the past couple of years and more are signing up now the career is open to all genders.

amiga500
7 Jun 2022  #4263

great video showing polands support of ukraine in detail, gets into the history for an aussie audience but for the military details skip to 15min

youtu.be/sSPhOWDkcPk

youtube.com/watch?v=sSPhOWDkcPk&t=1s

PolAmKrakow
7 Jun 2022  #4264

LMFAO now reports are coming out that the Russian advance a few days ago on Severdonetsk was actually a trap laid by the Ukraine army. They allowed the Russians and Kadyrovites in and then opened up on them. Reports of massive amounts of dead Russians laying in the open with a retreat while trying to regroup. Hilarious! They walked into a minefield and firing range and got slaughtered! Orc meat now going into dog food! I can not wait to see what these dumb f's do when the heavy $hit gets dropped on them!

Dirk diggler
7 Jun 2022  #4265

Russian advance a few days ago on Severdonetsk was actually a trap laid by the Ukraine arm

A trap where Ukrainians "evacuated" the city? Where did you get this information because every other source is saying that Ukraine either totally lost or is losing Severdonetsk and unable to retake it. Comedian-In-Chief Zydensky called Severedonesk a "dead city" because the Russians totally leveled it.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-61711028
newsweek.com/russia-every-suburb-severodonetsk-ukraine-under-its-control-1713433
timesofisrael.com/ukraine-suffers-setbacks-in-bid-to-retake-parts-of-strategic-city-severodonetsk/
cnbc.com/2022/06/07/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html
aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/4/fighting-rages-in-two-key-eastern-ukrainian-cities

Ukraine has taken parts of the city, Al Jazeera claims 20%, but Russia still controls the majority and the majority of the Luhansk

what these dumb f's do when the heavy $hit gets dropped on them!

Are you referring to the 4 whole HIMARs systems that were sent? Yeah because that's really going to make a difference...

If it weren't for the west supplying Ukraine with tens of billions in arms they would've fell a long time ago. Their army is representative of the country - broke, corrupt, decrepit, etc. And even despite all the billions in arms they're given, they're still losing with 20% of Ukraine, according to Zydensky's own words, is under Russian control.

But of course those 4x HIMARs will make all the difference. That is Zydensky's wunderwaffe, as long as they aren't with cruise missles shortly after crossing the border.

gets into the history

I skimmed through that video, didn't hear any mention of haidamak massacres or more recently the UPA massacres in Galicia and Wolyn, or how the Ukrainians with the support of the German SS killed hundreds of thousands of Poles.

Funny how they skip those historical events over when talking about Ukraine's historic relationship with Poland.

jon357
7 Jun 2022  #4266

trap laid by the Ukraine army. They allowed the Russians and Kadyrovites in and then opened up on them

I read the same and it seems the trap worked very well.

Huge numbers of them killed, including Kadyrov's butchers who will be missed by nobody.

Also the medium range artillery sent by the UK and US have arrived and are being prepared for use.

Bobko
7 Jun 2022  #4267

@jon357 @PAK

A trap, hahahaha. The side that has at least 20x less artillery shells, laid a trap. To see a real trap, watch events in Kherson province over the last few days. A well-advertised Ukrainian "counter-offensive" ended with the virtual annihilation of the grouping. Now, just as with the erstwhile Kharkov counter-offensive, nobody in Kiev seems to bring the subject up anymore.

In regards specifically to Severodonetsk - it has become an important point of contention internally for Ukrainians. A prominent military journalist, a battalion commander, and the country's leading newspaper have been jointly publishing for days an actually truthful picture of the situation there, in parallel to the government's fantasyland narrative. The reason - they think that only through speaking the truth about current difficulties can Ukraine last through this war of attrition, and that Ukrainians deserve not to be lied to. They want to prevent a repeat of Mariupol or Debaltseve. The military journalist has already been threatened with a jail sentence, while the newspaper has faced a withering barrage of criticism from all corners of official Ukraine.

They have been reporting unit casualty rates that approach 90%. Have reported that for every shell fired by Ukrainians, the Russians fire 20-50. They have explained that Ukraine is no longer able to leverage its highly motivated troops in the kind of urban warfare in which they hold an advantage - because Russians have been flattening cities with artillery and aerial bombardment prior to assaulting them with armor and infantry. They reported that when the head of the Luhansk ОВА and the General Staff of the AFU were reporting a successful counter attack, they were in fact being pushed out to the industrial outskirts of the city.

Also, Severodonetsk is just the far extreme eastern point of the Donbass mega cauldron. They may even pull off a miraculous defense there, only for the cauldron to be shut closed 50-100km to the west of them. This can happen if the Lyman and Izyum groups keeps advancing rapidly as they have been, and the Zaporozhye group starts pushing north after it finishes consolidating its strength.

Przelotnyptak1
7 Jun 2022  #4268

How many Polish women are in the Polish military ?

Johnny, like God, has intended that we, the Polish man, do the fighting and Polish women love and support their men.
In the times of crisis, our heroic Polish women were facing German thanks ( Warsaw Uprising)with the best of them with the only available weapon, a Molotov cocktail.

Johnny, my friend, don't make the mistake of equating Polish women with the dikes destroying the cohesiveness of the US military.
There is no need for many women in the Polish military at the moment.

Bobko
7 Jun 2022  #4269

Funny the American service men I spoke to this morning

Thank you for not telling us again about your trips through occupied Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea today. Also, for not regaling us with your stories of how you lie in wait on your armored couch, sniper rifle in hand, waiting to shoot the Russians.

Crnogorac3
7 Jun 2022  #4270

Svyatogorsk liberated

twitter.com/aste113/status/1534140679772704772

"The territory of Svyatogorsk has already been cleared by the LPR units, they are crossing the Seversky Donets River."

Vladimir Kiselyov, assistant head of the LPR Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Bobko
7 Jun 2022  #4271

@Crnogorac3

80 of the defenders of Sviatogorsk crossed the Seversky Donets by swimming. Russian MoD provided some stupid justification for not shooting at them while they did this. Oh well, now they will have to be killed another day, in another place, and until that happens they will continue shooting at Russian soldiers.

The big news I'm personally waiting for is Slovyansk. Severodonetsk, to me, is a done deal. Currently we are 20KM outside the city limits of Slovyansk - site of some bitter defeats in 2014. Taking it has high symbolic importance, beyond the fact that it is a sizeable city and a lynchpin of Ukrainian defense in the entire region.

Velund
7 Jun 2022  #4272

high symbolic importance

Fcuk its symbolic importance. Water supply for whole Donetsk is blocked by ukronazis in Slavyansk area - and this is its real importance.

Bobko
7 Jun 2022  #4273

Fcuk its symbolic importance

A practical man.

I'm certain we will be celebrating the taking of Slovyansk soon. Kramatorsk immediately after. First step was Lyman. Now important Lego piece is added with Sviatogorsk. Only very small villages remain. Of course, for full happiness we need to cut the Bakhmut road in the south.

mafketis
7 Jun 2022  #4274

ukronazis

No such thing, stop believing Russian state propaganda... it _hates_ you at least as much as it pretends to hate Ukrainians.

Velund
7 Jun 2022  #4275

No such thing

Then probably it is photos of boyscouts below?

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jon357
7 Jun 2022  #4276

Russian state propaganda

it's it's completely false and cynical too. They don't even believe it themselves.

The vile russian apologists who've appeared here don't believe the crap they write; they just try the russian techniques of lying, trying to confuse, distraction and shifting blame. It doesn't work; they haven't convinced one person of their cause, they haven't introduced any genuine confusion and they haven't created any doubt.

They have wasted their time.

The Russians fell into y well laid trap at Severodonetsk, as casualty figures show. The young orc conscripts are trying anything to get away from the fighting, mostly without success. Fortunately, now a large part of the Kadyrov goons are lying dead with flies buzzing around them, it will be harder to push them from the rear.

And all Vladolf Putler has to do is to accept that he has been humiliated and withdraw his orcs from Ukraine. Unfortunately he is insane and some of his generals overestimate their ability.

Or perhaps they prefer certain death on the battlefield to returning home to their typical ugly and smelly russian women at home.

PolAmKrakow
7 Jun 2022  #4277

@Dirk diggler
The took 20% while they had 30% that give them 50% by every account. Do a little more research smart@$$. Losing 20% of Ukraine, yes, right now that's the number. Thats all Putin can do with close to 200K in men and half of them dead or wounded. Follow Putin to the death, go right ahead. Orc roast, 2 to 1 Russians getting killed in Ukraine, and they are the attackers! Usually when you win, you don't get killed by a 2 to 1 margin. Land is land. Capture a farm and you have 50 acres, capture a block its just a block. Death totals are the numbers to count, and Ukraine is winning by a wide margin.

@Bobko
Come to Krakow, lets have a beer before I give you a last cigarette ;-) lol

That water in Crimea will taste great until Ukraine hits that canal with some missiles next week and cuts it off for a long time. Happy gulag biatches!

Dirk diggler
7 Jun 2022  #4278

Thats all Putin can do with close to 200K in men and half of them dead or wounded.

Putin is using 10-20% of his total armed services and still has plenty of soldiers he can call on, not even including reservists. Ukraine does not. They're maxxed out and averaging 700 casualties a day, according to Supreme Comedian-In-Chief Zydensky.

Every day lately Russia has been taking more and more territory. This is going to be a long war. Putin likely wont' stop till there's a land corridor from Russia, through Luhansk/Donbass, through Mariupol, going into Odessa and linking with Transnistria. Odessa will be the next big battle, but like Mariupol they'll end up flattening the whole city and at best a couple thousand ukrop soldiers will live in the ruins like a bunch of rats for months till they're "evacuated" just like at Azovstal.

2 to 1 Russians getting killed in Ukraine, and they are the attackers!

Yes, generally an offensive force will suffer high casualties. The difference is Russia has plenty of soldiers they can still call in, Ukraine does not. Zydensky is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at the Russians and losing troops and territory every day, even with western backing.

Even the west is telling him to just give up, agree to give Russia some territory, and end this thing because everyone knows Ukraine is going to lose in a war of attrition.

Ukraine is winning by a wide margin.

ROFL!!! Right... that's why Zydensky is crying to the world, begging for help non-stop... that's why Russia is occupying a fifth of Ukraine and not the other way around. Yeah, Ukraine is "winning" just like Mariupol was "evacuated" LOL!!! I guess that's the terminology when you have a jewish comedian as the leader of your armed forces. What a farce!!

Bobko
7 Jun 2022  #4279

guess that's the terminology

This is the Newspeak of Ukrainian supporters, just like in Orwell's 1984. War is Peace. Surrender is Evacuation. Loss of territory - trap.

Death totals are the numbers to count

This actually seems to be precisely the Ukrainian military strategy, based on the accents they place in their public communication. They don't really seem to have any strategy or plan beyond racking up kill counts. If you are a student of military history - you will know that kill counts are not a good approach to winning war (Vietnam and AFG come to mind). This is not to say anything about how their kill counts are completely manufactured.

None of you specialists find it odd how Russian casualties, as reported by Ukraine, skyrocketed to 30,000 over the course of a few weeks, and then absolutely flatlined after a barrage of critical Western analysts and journalists took it apart? Months have gone by, and Russian casualties are sort of flat. What gives? What happened? Curiously the Pentagon thinks only 10-15,000 Russian casualties have occurred total (KIA, WIA, POW).

jon357
7 Jun 2022  #4280

Newspeak .......... just like in Orwell's 1984. War is Peace

I thought you pretended it was a 'special military operation'.

any strategy or plan beyond racking up kill counts

And it and it's working. Unlike russia's illegal and unprovoked invasion.

Russian casualties

More than in Chechnya already.

The more the better.

Bobko
7 Jun 2022  #4281

I thought you pretended it was a 'special military operation'.

Unfortunate error of state information apparatus. This is war, make no mistake.

PolAmKrakow
7 Jun 2022  #4282

@Bobko
Kill counts, taking them are not the way to win a war. Eventually Russia will be left with no men, and no weapons. When you run out of ammo and guys to fire it, you will get over run. Putin is blowing his wad on this to try to save face. I get it, dont agree with the strategy, but I get why he is taking this approach. Russians are just meat, always have been. So keep pushing forward. Eventually this strategy will not pay off. They got slaughtered after getting baited in Severdonetsk the other day. Hundreds killed in one battle, they are saying it may be as many as a whole Battalion! Thats an @$$ kicking no army can take and recover from easily. Russian rockets are getting depleted, and so are tanks and other items. This is a fools folly of a war, and Putin should hang for it.

@Dirk diggler
Of course the surrendered. They should have sooner. I think this group of soldiers were rebelling quite a bit, and they should have gotten out when they could. Z begging, I agree it is embarrassing, and I do not like his style personally. Demanding more is not really the way to approach thing in my opinion. We all know he is panicked and had he listened to the US in the first place and prepared better earlier, things would be a little different now. Saying Russia wont invade was just Fing stupid. But, he does know how to get his people to believe and fight, and that is half of the battle. He delivers the weapons and they keep going. This kind of desire can not be beaten, just like the Taliban in Afghanistan, eventually Ukraine will take back every centimeter of territory and Russia better pray that they still have an army to defend themselves at that point.

mafketis
7 Jun 2022  #4283

This is war, make no mistake.

Started by Russia for no possible gain. Just remember that if you ever go back to Russia (rather than stew in the kindergarten for retarded children you're in now).

All for nothing. How does it feel to be such a sap that you feel for lies from a source known for lying??? You done played yourself!

For nothing. You supported the brutal rapes and executions of civilians.. destroyed how many lives? Wiped out how much personal and family wealth? All for nothing.....

johnny reb
7 Jun 2022  #4284

The USS Gravely arrived in Gdynia, Poland 05 June 2022.
The ship's presence demonstrates the U.S. Navy's steadfast commitment to the collective defense of the region and reinforces the strong bond between the United States and our Polish allies.

navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3053303/uss-gravely-ddg-107-arrives-in-gdynia-poland/

jon357
7 Jun 2022  #4285

This is war, make no mistake

And fortunately the pariah state russia is losing.

Illegal, unprovoked and likely to spell the end of russia as a world power.

Dirk diggler
7 Jun 2022  #4286

Zydensky admitted to 60-100 killed a day, 500 wounded. If going by his own numbers, then Ukraine is doing really bad and that's probably why finally the west is admitting that the situation isn't so rosy and western leaders are pressuing him to negotiate with territory. They see the futility of the situation plus they're probably getting sick of constantly sending billions in arms which does nothing but prolong the inevitable. 100 days of war X 60-100 dead, 500 wounded per day = 6,000-10,000 dead, 50,000 wounded. It seems about right.

The USS Gravely arrived in Gdynia, Poland 05 June 2022.

Pffttt... is war does break out the US is going to hightail it just like every other western country. They don't want any smoke with Russia. At best they'd send materiel, maybe some volunteers would come on their own.

jon357
7 Jun 2022  #4287

Zydensky

His name is President Zelenskiy.

Tacitus
7 Jun 2022  #4288

spell the end of russia as a world power.

Russia has not been a world power for 30 years. Russia might lose its' great power status as a result though.

Dirk diggler
7 Jun 2022  #4289

Zydensky, the Supreme jewish Comedian-In-Chief of jewkrainian army...

President Yidensky is also acceptable.

Either way, same guy who keeps going 'oy vey, muh donbass' and gibs me shekels' everytime he goes on TV

Search results for zelensky criticizes:
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Search results for zelensky asks for:
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LOL!!!!

jon357
7 Jun 2022  #4290

Russia might lose its' great power status as a result though

That's a given. They'll probably lose their place on the UNSC, they're already out of G8 and even if they withdrew from Ukraine today, the sanctions will remain until they've paid reparations.

has not been a world power for 30 years

Yes. The problem though is that they still think they are. Yet instead of behaving like one, they behave like a terrorist state. The chemical weapons attack in Salisbury and that assassination in Berlin are examples of this.

acceptable

No, Adrian, it isn't. It's a comment that only a crazy and weak person would make.


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