Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Thanks, amiga500, that's really a great video. Very thorough and spot on - as if a Pole made it!

It also talks about most of the reasons why Poland is helping Ukraine so much. That's something our PF Putinists don't understand (or maybe they pretend that they don't understand). The Putinists here claim that Poland is doing that because it is a "puppet" ordered by some "masters". This video shows how far from the truth such claims are.


That's cool.


Wow, so Ukrainians aren't doing it to themselves? Tell me, Bobko, Velund, do they show all this flattening done by the "liberating" RuSSian army on RuSSian state TV?

Btw, have I written already that I hate RuSSia? If I haven't, then I'm going to write it now - I hate RuSSia.

To love life and freedom is to hate Russia...

As one clever man once said - if someone who at every opportunity had sided with your enemies for centuries hates you with passion - you're doing the right thing. ;)

Given the Russia has never done anything positive for Poland.... what should Polish people think about Russia?


given the exceprts from Russian state TV, the hate seems to originate there, carefully managed and nurtured by the government that despises you.

And...what does all the hate in Russia achieve? nothing.... What has waging war against a peaceful neighbor achieved?

All the death, destruction, killing children, causing pestilence... all for nothing. Stealing people's bedsheets... for nothing. Russians are giving up everything and getting nothing in return.

Nothing. The government lies to you and you swallow it down and clap for more! The only Russians whose lives have been or ever will be improved by the war in Ukraine are in the government laughing at the proles who believe them..

Do you enjoy being a sucker?

I see you're talking about Russia siding with the enemies of Poland.


Yes, Poland is most certainly doing the right thing.

As Yurii Budkevych wrote in one of the comments to that video posted by amiga500:

"Today Poland does for Ukraine what nobody did for Poland in 1939."

Preemptive strike again? You mentioned it just in case we brought up lousy Russists logistics which made it impossible for them to capture Kyiv, for example. If we did, you would proudly announce you were first. Amasing. :):)


I suppose so. That RuSSist propaganda is really too thick. They ascribe their own problems to Ukrainians. Amasing.


Don`t be silly. There are so many places in Ukraine which can serve as reparing depots that Russists are not able to find out about all of them. You can target one or two but there are dozens which you have no idea of. Besides, you are short of rockets, remember about it. :)::)

This is how I know you are a teacher, and not a military person, economist, or businessman.

Dear Pawian - there are not infinite places to repair equipment. Just this week, cruise missiles struck targets in Kiev (Darnitsky District), including a massive railcar repair depot. By all indications, this railcar repair depot was used to maintain and upgrade (with reactive armor blocks) tanks provided by the West. It had specialized equipment, the requisite space, and connections by rail to both East and West. Many other such facilities have been destroyed earlier. How many do you think remain? There is only so much you can fix through welding in field repair conditions.

Precisely why Putin should just launch a couple Sarmats and end the misery once and for all. The west propping up Zydensky is just prolonging the inevitable and everyone knows it and acknowledges it, except the Supreme Comedian-In-Chief.

It could be because his army is so depleted from all the "professional" soldiers that Russia has killed so now he's calling on civilians to join the territory defense. Because of course this civilian army will undoubtedly win, for some reason, or no reason at all they're going to retake the fifth of Ukraine that Russia occupied, including Crimea. LOL!!!

At least FINALLY western media is acknowledging that ukraine is in a hopeless position and should therefore seek to negotiate with Putin, with territory if needed.

voanews.com/a/as-ukraine-loses-troops-how-long-can-it-keep-up-the-fight-/6603860.html
nytimes.com/2022/06/01/world/europe/ukraine-russia-losses-east.html
time.com/6176748/ukraine-war-economy/
aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/7/russia-ukraine-war-list-of-key-events-day-104

Well that's predictable, if I had a dollar for everytime Zydensky begged for something I'd be a billionaire.

To fill gaps in the frontline, Ukraine has resorted to deploying minimally trained volunteers of the Territorial Defense Force, which mobilized quickly as the war started. Hints of morale lapses have surfaced. One unit recorded a video protesting dire conditions. In interviews, soldiers said their artillery guns sometimes go quiet for lack of ammunition.

These are the replacements that Zydensky things are going to somehow recapture all the territory they lost... LOL!

Ukraine's Ministry of Defense is not releasing combat casualty numbers to maintain morale, but experts believe it has lost at least 25,000 troops - up to 11,000 deaths and 18,000 wounded -since the February 24 invasion.

So about 10k less dead than Russia... difference is, Ukraine can't replace them with anything better than untrained civilians who receive their rusty AK and 10 bullets only when they make it to the front. You forget this is Ukraine - there's no money for bullets for training. All of it went to build Zydensky and his cohorts' homes in the UK once they "evacuate"

ROFL!!!
The sanctions on Russia that are expected to cause a less than 7% contraction in GDP compare rather unfavorably to the 45-50% GDP collapse Ukraine is facing.

People talk about how sanctions are soooo bad for Russia... completely ignoring the fact that while the Russian ruble has totally rebounded, they're making more money than even before the war on gas and oil, whereas HALF of Ukraine's economy has been wiped out. The Hryvnia aka the Ukranian Shekel, hasn't recovered whatsoever and only further declining from being worth dog **** (.036 to USD before the war a year ago to .034 to USD along... a fraction of the .2 to USD back in the 2000's-2010. Everytime they have a maidan or some other BS their economy and currency only tanks further. I bet Soros made a killing shorting the Hryvnia.

You forgot a historian. History of WW2 shows that you can disperse the production all over the country instead of concentrating in a few places. The same with repairing. Ukrainians are handling these things very cleverly. That is why you can`t capture Severdoneck, let alone Kyiv or Kharkov. You have lost.


I see. You suggest only Kyiv repairment depot had such a connection. :):):) Amasing.

BTW, you mentioned Ukrainian logistics in your preemptive strike today. I just read a report about RuSSist soldiers who don`t get enough water despite hot weather. And they are still wearing winter uniforms.

What will you tell us about the RuSSist logistics, then? I am sure you also read that report in its RuSSist version. hahahaha

The supply lines are run by the Brits and Yanks.

And they are working just fine,as you would expect from the well organised militaries of both those countries.
As for Russian logistics and organisation, there is none.....pathetic is the word....
Russia will lose this war as long as the Brits and Yanks keep supplying Ukrainians with the weapons they need.

Russia will lose this war if they don't attack the UK and USA.

And if they do that, Russia will be wiped off the map.

Ruskis?

Your choice.

Go for it or live...

That's the Polish sentiment, btw. That's how we feel about it. When we look at Mariupol, we see Warsaw in 1944. When we look at Bucha, Irpin, etc. we see the Katyń massacre in 1940. When we look at the Ukrainians, we see ourselves...

What a prophetic title (from April 26, 2021) :(:

mei.edu/publications/it-looks-1939-kyiv-ukraine-centurys-poland

@Paulina

Nice post.

Stop inventing things which I didn`t say. Dozens doesn`t mean infinite. :)


Yes, historical analogies are striking. RuSSists act as contemporary Nazis.

Logistics is a Russian problem since the Northern War, and probably before. As some person once said - Russia has two problems - "roads and fools". It is why we did not do so well at building overseas empires, and instead had to slowly expand through Eurasia :) At the same time we have a history of mounting tremendous logistical operations in Cuba, Ethiopia, and most recently Syria - using both transport aviation and naval assets.

If I am to be serious - logistical situation is different now than before, because ambitions have been tempered. A sprint across half of Ukraine caused problems. Now we are very close to our lines, and we move only along railway lines and highways. No more moving though swamps of Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, or the forests of Sumy Oblast. Such extreme maneuvers perhaps best left for more desperate occasions.

As Zelensky says - we fire 20-50 times more shells for each Ukrainian shell. We apparently have 10X advantage in heavy equipment. Also he says we have local superiority in personnel through able maneuvering, even though it is us that has 200K men and Ukraine that has 700K men. I think supply, for now at least, is fine. Problems emerge, as in any working process - but relevant people are working to resolve these.

Shipping companies in the European Union's three largest maritime nations of Greece, Cyprus, and Malta have doubled the quantity of Russian oil they transport since the invasion of Ukraine on February 24.

And it's undermining attempts to hurt Putin

news.yahoo.com/eus-3-biggest-shipping-countries-060039401.html

@johnny reb
These three countries are very "friendly" for Russians and a lot of shady business. Not surprising at all. Would not surprise me when some EU countries are kicked out of the EU for not falling in line, or at least threatened with expulsion.

Interesting the perspective of trolls who seem to think Russia is just going to pick up the pace at some point and roll on Ukraine. Here we are over 100 days and Ukraine is not only standing but fighting back and killing twice as many Orc's. Z is planning for a long war and talking about the winter to come already and it is only June. A war into the winter becomes a nightmare for the Orc's who have to move men and support through Russia to Ukraine. Ahhhhh the first snow storm will be glorious painted red with Orc blood. Happy gulag biatches!

Cuba, Ethiopia and Syria - 3 poster children for what happens to your society when you value your friendship with the CCCP more than you value your own people. Poor, mean, and corrupt.

Let's pray that Ukraine doesn't have the same fate - though the pitiful state of life in the DNR, Ossetia, Transdniestira, Belarus etc means ir doesn't look good fir anyone who ends up occupied by the drunkards.

Still I heard thet Russians have left some awesome 24 hour sushi bars in Aleppo.

t.me/ostashkonews/14846

In Severodonetsk, documents for a KIA Sorento car of Dariusz Maichrzak were found in one of the buildings. As it turned out, he is a serving colonel in the Polish army and holds the position of vice-rector for military affairs at the Polish Academy of Military Art.

He studied at the Academy of Officers in Wroclaw and served in the 11th Tank Cavalry Division. As an instructor Michrzak took part in the war in Iraq as part of the 5th rotation of the Polish military contingent.

PS: I hope the colonel's a$$ will be found as well in some ditch nearby by the DNR people's militia.

@Velund, this is fake news that was already debunked:

fakenews.pl/spoleczenstwo/nie-pulkownik-dariusz-majchrzak-nie-walczy-w-ukrainie/

Even if those documents are real and not forged, then they belong to another person, since colonel Majchrzak was born in a different year and he has a different PESEL number. PESEL number is a Polish unique personal identification number.

Two days ago he was also present at the inauguration of the High Level Course at the military college where he is a vice-rector - a photo taken during that inauguration was posted and he can be seen in that photo:

mobile.twitter.com/AkademiaSzWoj/status/1533807188841533441

Yes. Fake news and there has been much similar.

A couple of weeks ago they were even trying to pretend that a Canadian General had berm captured.


Inconvenient facts. They hate those.

@Velund
You know what is not fake news though? Vladimir Andonov is dead! Taken out by a sniper. One of the leaders of the Wagner group and one of Putin's boys. You know what else is real? Lt Col Vladimir Nigmatullin is also dead. The 50th Colonel in the Orc army to be whacked. And you know what else is real? Orc Generals leading troops into battle and getting killed as well because they are running out of Colonel's!

Orc roast is really heating up. Pun intended.

You really like kicking things out, or rather hoping that somebody will do something about kicking something or someone out. Kicking Russians out of America. Kicking Polish people out from Poland. Kicking Hungary out from EU. Kicking Turkey out from NATO, etc, etc.

It is understandable. When one's own "kicker" is not very big, or very strong - one must rely on waiting until bigger "kicker" will come around and take care of things for you. I became very familiar with this personality type in middle school.

I too - hoped that a certain country would get kicked out of EU. This country was Poland. This was when changes were being implemented affecting independence of the judiciary, and then later when the question of who's law is superior (Polish or EU) came up. I wanted Poland to get kicked out of EU, because I thought this would be pretty funny - and a logical continuation of Poland's unique path in world history. However, imagine my disappointment when I learned that Article 7 allows only for the suspension of a member's rights, and not expulsion. Even the suspension requires unanimity, which is impossible because the Orbans and Morawieckis of this world will always come to rescue each other's ass. Today they came for Poland, tomorrow they will come for Hungary - that's the logic.

So, you should indeed be surprised if something that is not possible actually happens. Otherwise, you may be suffering from certain mental limitations. Do you have Western Ukrainian blood?

Very good news.

And in other good news Norway is sending howitzers and has implied out is sending/will send other items that they aren't mentioning.

And in comedy news, Scholz is trying to pretend that germany are helping Ukraine "more than almost anybody else" which has began greeted by laughter in Poland and Britain.

Some good comments by leaders of the Baltic countries in this article.
telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/07/giving-ukraine-military-aid-britain-says-germany/


They will have an demographic crisis. 30,000+ young men killed and a surplus of women. They can always sell some in Dubai.

@Bobko
Funny how you make statements about countries I have never even gotten close to making. As for Article 7, a threat is a threat. Poland was never going to leave, get suspended or get kicked out. Poland needs the money, the debt being hidden by the gov in Poland will be crippling to the next generation when programs have to be paid for and the EU financial tap has been shut off.

What's funny though is that Russians live in lower standards than Poles. Now that is funny, poetic justice really. The Orc nation cant even flush a toilet in most cases. No matter, flushing is over rated right? I remember my first trip there to a premium hotel and I still had to bring my own toilet paper just to be safe.

I too became familiar with bullies when I was younger. Each one of them eventually got the @$$ beating they needed. Russia nothing but a bully now getting whacked one by one in Ukraine because like all bullies, they are also lacking in intelligence. Happy gulag biatches!

To go to GULAG, you have to deserve it first. Not just anyone can go. Whether it is to be happy, or sad - this is specific to a person. In most cases - people cannot escape themselves, wherever they go, and thus bring within them all the problems they would want to avoid. In such a case, even GULAG can seem like a chore.

That being said, I think you fully qualify for GULAG and I have no doubt you would enjoy your time there. But first, you will need to invent a time machine.


You have a highly evolved sense of humor.

@Bobko
Russia as a nation is a modern day Gulag. It is a den of criminals and it all starts at the top with Putin, all the way down to the exported Russian hoe's. As for me going to the gulag/Russia, I will never visit again, nor will I ever hire another Russian or Belarussian again. I personally cancelled the visa's of former employee's from both of these countries, and they are likely now pooping their pants waiting to see if they will get killed in a war for nothing.

As for my sense of humor regarding Poles having a higher standard of living than Russians, it is called sarcasm, and irony. Since Russia or the USSR said it would be so great under their rule, and Russia has not changed much in the last 30 years. But Poland, leaving the sphere of influence has taken off, and Poles are much better off than Russians. Ironic isnt it? But hey, enjoy those washing machine computer chips in your tanks and airplanes. Everything is awesome in Russia by those standards.

I'm afraid that's not a joke...

@Paulina

But then why did he say it is funny? Sometimes, I don't understand you Poles.


Wow - big man!


Now just hold on a minute. I thought you just said above, that Poland cannot leave EU because it is hopelessly addicted to German teet milk, and if supply is interrupted, it will be followed by immediate collapse? So why are you living better? Because you got rid of Zhopnik overlord, or because you got pumped full of German milk?

@Velunt
Sure keep your lies up. Rather save them for the interational tribunal for war crimes. Happy to be supported of rapes, loots and murder of unarmed, women and children?

You must be a really upstanding Russian citizen, you, your country and your Putin all the same filty crminals and butchers.
Don't be shy addmit you are proud of it!

@Bobko
Look, about those grills on tanks, they don't work, they are called grills for a reason. They roast Russian tank crewmen very crispy.
As for those batteries, there were same problems three months ago, it has been storted out long time ago.
I see why you claim why Russia is a great country, your country is so big that impuls travels from one cell to the other three months. I think you are using the wrong word, people call it retardness not greatness,.

I can agree with you an upstanding of Russia - your counrty is a retard as are your citizens.
By the way do you know about gun battle between Chechens and Buriats for loot. I mean Buriats loot it and then Chechens that hide behind them came and claim their loot. I would be upset too. On the other hand Chechens are true Russians, your saying goes steal stolen that is not thieft.

By the way is Meadviedev son still in the USA?Say hi from me.

I can only guess, since he's a Polish-American, as far as I understand :)


Based on the videos of that Transnistria guy living in Poland that I've been watching lately, I think it's not just about money, but also about people's mentality. Thanks to his explanations I realise now what Ukrainians (and Russians too, I guess) mean when they say that Poland is "Europe"... I've got to say that now I appreciate much more what we've got and what we've achieved... I'm saying this because Poles often complain about Poland and Poles and that Transnistria guy often got irritated when they would tell him: "Roman, ale u nas to samo!" ("Roman, but it's the same in Poland!") :)) He would explain then that Poland isn't the same at all...