Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

You assume too much of my political connections.

Regarding the tank grills - Velund provided a somewhat convincing answer. In the end: a grill of appropriate specifications (properly-spaced slats are crucial), properly installed, is most likely better than no grill. Perhaps that is not the case with some of the improvisations from soldiers, but hey - if it makes them feel better about their safety that is almost as important as it working. Grills are in the end also not the only answer - depending on tank type, there are active protection systems that work on a soft and hard kill basis. These can actually, in theory, be effective against Javelins and other top-attack systems. "Soft" might imply breaking the missile's target lock through obscuring the tank, while "hard" involves actually destroying the incoming missile.


Good one. For once.


Ahhh, so that's why people back home get pissed off when I tell them that New York is not much better than Moscow, or maybe even worse. Need to be more self aware.

I'm sure when it comes to a theory but already three months ago that theory had been put to the test many times and reasults are all out there - a very crispy Russian tanks crews.


It is not only good it is true. Retart says it all and explain a lot.

Speaking of hate, has no one yet mentioned the very reasonable and measured post on telegram by everybody's favorite Russian dwarf (Dancey) Medvedev?

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1534075573357662211

Many assumed that he was referring to his desire to commit genocide against Ukrainians (supported by the resident Russians here)

Others point out the timing and that maybe he was upset about something else....

nationalzero.com/2022/06/07/medvedevs-son-deported-from-us/

I wouldn't consider the news official yet but....

Others wonder if he's actually referring the residents of "The West" in general....

So, does Medvedev want to commit mass murder against

a) Ukrainians?

b) Americans?

c) Westerners?

@mafketis

Every man has the right to have a few drinks at the end of the work day and what he decides to write on social media should not be censored.

my guess is poland
rus dont hate ukras,they see em as little orthodox bro ,who got confused ,brainwashed
with western ,is not hate, its power struggle.
only people rus hate are poles.for the good reason i would say.
it seems, there is not nuff room for both nations in Europe.

I agree..... too bad Simonyan doesn't....

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1515901373837107204

@Bobko
Just doing my part for the war effort. Now employing more Poles at higher wages, but its a small sacrifice to make. I did say Poland can not afford to leave the EU or NATO, and I stand by it. All the Euros flowing in pumping the economy up and giving people a better standard of living than provided by the Soviets or Russians, is a tap that can not be turned off. Personally I live better because I make money here and the USA, bringing dollars over at more than 4 to 1 is very kind to the bank accounts.

@Paulina
Poland is not perfect, and there are a lot of balls being kicked down the road, but there is opportunity here for people with a brain and a drive to succeed. It is a beautiful country, with more to offer than most people in the world would ever think. It is why every country around has tried to take it over at one point or another. It is a country that is showing now, that when things get difficult, Poles can come together.


Fantastic to see. Medvedev is a biatch and should be hung publicly. Nothing more than a Putin dingleberry.

I'd like to just point out that Russia has never successfully invaded Poland single-handedly :) You were always doing it with the cooperation of great European military powers.

Of course it hasn't! Have you ever heard of enslaved circus bear defeating a proud and free white eagle? :) Defeat always took a wounded eagle and a pack of hyenas.

Stalinist style informer culture returning to Russia!

The stupid bast@rds wanted the CCCP back and now they're getting it, good and hard.

theins.ru/en/society/251510

Why does Ukraine need this again?

No harm in criticising it mercilessly though.

Alcoholics should avoid social media. Perhaps computers should come with an alcometer to stop drunken people using them and making twats of themselves.

When it's certain posters here, nobody cares. When it's a politician, that's a different kettle of fish.


They should slip some Novichok in the dwarf's morning glass of meths.

Because it makes no difference to the present, and Polands strategic interest which is getting Ukraine into EU and NATO as a bulwark against the Russians. As Veduns youtube video points out, Polands assistance as a neighbour country, in taking refugees, quick training of the Ukris in western military equipment, and 2nd or 3rd in Military aid has been vital in the invasion.

Hey most of us poles have got over Volyn and such, did you miss Poroshenko kneeling at the memorial? there will be further reconciliation to come. Give them some slack they are a new nation and will choose the founders fathers they choose to celebrate over the next few decades. btw u know bandera was in jail by the nazis when the massacres happened and had nothing to do with it?

Who cares what little Muscovites think? they are all confused like F, and their claims are stupid and make no sense.


are they, good to know, Poles are tolerant, civilized European nation, they don't hate Russians, they hate their state's policies. Some are so goodnatured or naive that they think Putin and Russian people are not one and the same - when it fact it is all the same trash. Typical Russian think like Putin and Putin thinks like typical Russian, only that positions are different. Russian that goes sh''t in the bushes and Putin that uses golden toiled have the same outlook, moral Code(immoral).

In fact it is good thing they are being mowed down in Ukrainie. Not good so little people from Moscow area in the army, they use those 'poor' Buriats and Dagestani as a cannon fodder.

Muscoviets are cowards they only talk big, we have example of Velunt, he said he has millitary training as an officer, they he is ready to go there, that he fully support Putin policy. He talk and talk, Russian Army need people up to 60 years old, he can volunteer but he is not doing it. Just a little lying coward. lol!

Ah by the way, can you tell me why Russian people hate Poles with a good reason. I would say that don't need reason they are just full of hate or hateful people, and they hate cvilization like every barbarian.

However I will listen to your point of view. What are those GOOD reasons?

By the way I know why Putin named the war of aggresion against Ukrainie - Special Operation!
In Russian law, &353 says that whover starts a war of aggresion against different counrty can get 15 to 20 years in prison. Just in case Putin made up that SO name as there is no SO in Russian Codex but there is a war.

I keep thinking the Russian.... entity (not really a country, but a dysfunctional dinosaur empire) can't get more insane... and I keep being proven wrong...

A bill to "repeal" Lithuanian independence has been submitted to the Russian Dup.... oops I mean Duma, Russian Duma

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1534506935453622273

Suwałki gap, here we come!

Poland managed to become wealthy since independence while Ukraine is still the same broke ass, corrupt ******** that it was throughout it's entire history. They've had over 30 years to fix their country yet their economy has a GDP that's only twice what it was in the last days of the Soviet Union. Poland on the other hand managed to increase it 10 fold in the same time period. In fact, in 1990 Ukraine had a larger GDP than Poland by about 25%. If they were as wise as Poland and not a corrupt **** hole they'd be wealthier than even Poland.

But we're of course we're about ukrops...

shows how much you know.... stop listening to RT!

Ukraine had been making significant economic improvement in recent years - but stuck in Chicago you wouldn't know that....

Lithuanians and Poles have not always had the best relationship.... Do you support Lithuanian independence (shortly to be challenged by Russia?)

Scary... Not surprising anymore though...


Russia is a state of mind...


Okay... ;)

Mariupol "drowns in rubbage and sewage".... in other words, welcome eto Russkij Mir!

inews.co.uk/news/world/mariupol-official-cholera-outbreak-rubbish-sewage-1672347?ito=social_itw_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1654583898

Come for the rubbage and sewage, stay for the cholera!

I bet Russians are very proud of exporting their culture of disease and filth....

Have in mind. Pope pays in rubles. Why would peoples be bigger Pope then Pope?

For dic* piano player Zelenski? For nazi banderists that walk free in Ukraine and killing civilians? For dead brain NATO? For EU madness? For Biden? For non-existent International order?

Yeah, thanks to Russia conquering it LOL!!! They spent more money on infrastructure in Crimea since 2014 than the kapcie did in 30 years.

Ukraine is a gas pump pretending to be a country. Their main exports are illegal cigarettes, indentured servants for Polish people (mainly uber drivers, farm workers, and cashiers), and ******.

They're so pathetic that they have to rely on the west to supply them with military hardware otherwise they'd be totally overran by the Russians, which they already are having lost a quarter of the country and losing 600+ troops a day.

That's a rather accurate definition of Russia. :)

That is because we were god dammed lucky to be orientated to the west and joined the EU , whilst they had the satan luck to be stuck in russia orbit.. or u think it's down to culture and genetics? u think polaks and ukris are that much fundamentally different?

Russia supplies all the gas, Ukraine pumps it through gas lines - the main source of government revenue. If they didn't have those "gas pumps" they'd be even broker than they already are.

Well, severodonetsk has now also been "evacuated"

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-invasion-latest-zelensky-putin-b2096703.html


Of course, Polish people know how to run successful business, are great builders, hardworking, etc. Ukrops well... they're good at ripping off their fellow countrymen, transporting cigarettes and driving people around town.

That's an interesting question. Genetically there is not much difference; culturally however... both Poland and Ukraine are unique: Poland is a Slavic country of Latin civilisation, so culturally we are Western Slavic but in civilisational terms we are more like Italy, Portugal or France (which is a bit of a shame to admit - it might have been a mistake when we taught them how to eat with knife and fork) but one cannot deny big German/Austrian influence as well. Ukraine is unique as well - partly Eastern Slavic, Orthodox and Turanian in civilisation (the central and eastern parts) and partly Latin civilisation, Greek-Catholic - a bit more like Poles (but not quite) in the west of Ukraine. They are, in any case, hard-working people - so given time, support and more stability, they would probably develop in a manner similar to Poland.


Every single Ukrainian I know personally is a decent, hard working person.

Living in the past...

I have to say ime Ukrainian students aren't really different from Polish ones... they don't stand out either way (good or bad).

And still... no one's thinking about Lithuania?

This is Putin's pocket party and nothing happens without his approval...

Is this a distraction or will there be an attempt to reassert sovereignty and establish a land bridge to the fake and ghey Soviet (but I repeat myself) white elephant Konigsberg (Kaliningrad is a fake Soviet name for a city with no important Russian past...)

Was this purposefully done while Scholz is in Lithuania? (reminding him who his boss is?)

Good news for Poland. Very.

German army coming to Bosnia and Herzegovina. Target are Serbs.

Perfect timing. Germany, with all strengthening of her army, is no way threat to Poland because Germany focus to commit suicide.

So Poland can opt to expand Her western borders onto what was once Ukraine, while Her western borders are safe.

Didn`t I told you that God loves Poland.

Who knows. Maybe Poland expand even westward.

Yes, at a job that would've otherwise gone to a Polish person since they'll do the same work for half the price. It'd be fine if there weren't anymore that came in, but this is a straight up deluge and these people are competing for a very limited number of low level jobs that are already filled by other Ukrainians.

Like I said, it's one thing to help people but Poland should've put a cap on it. Now they're FINALLY realizing that inviting nearly 5 million people within a matter of 3-4 months wasn't such a good idea. There's extreme overcrowding, real estate is going way up, inflation is going even higher, already poor services are stretched even further - especially medical... it's not good and it's not going to get better anytime soon.

These people aren't going to leave. Hell they can get a job cleaning someones house for some 12, 15 zloty an hour and it'll be more money than they'd ever make in Ukraine.

And if you think the EU is going to suddenyl send billions to help out you're sadly mistaken. They're not gonna do a damn thing.


They've had 30 years! And forecasts show that the Ukraine economy is going to contract by a third to half and thus be worth around the same as when they were a brand new country as the SU collapsed.

People talk about the huge damage to Russian economy, how it's going to dip by 7, 8%... yet not a peep about the fact that Ukraine's economy is going to contract by up to half. They've already lost some of their most productive areas. The loss of Mariupol alone is 2% that was wiped out.


That's what I've been saying all along. Poland should've taken the west, Russia the east. Just split Ukraine right down the middle at Kiev. Those people would've ended up in Poland anyway so might as well get something useful out of it.

Włodek is definitely not doing anything for half the price - he's a doctor (urologist), Alisa is a successful (scholarships, rewards) Akademia Muzyczna student, Oksana runs her own catering business and Timofiy (Tima) is a great car mechanic. Maybe you know other people, but I can only speak for those I know personally. Apart from that I keep hearing only good things from people employing Ukrainian builders or cleaners, so I'm not buying this "lazy, unqualified, taking our jobs" nonsense.


30 years of what? Hardly 30 years of stability! When they are accepted in the EU, given support and time, they will be quite all right.

Ukraine will be flooded with money after the Russians are defeated and Russia... will not (and they're already talking about the economy contracting over 10% for the year, maybe a lot more.

What's so "pathetic" about it? Russia is a great military power in comparison to many countries, including Poland, not only Ukraine. Ukrainians are doing great, all things considered.


That's what the post-Soviet areas are like - you seem to need to get some reality check, so I have a video for you in which a woman who comes from Russia explains why she'll never come back from Poland to Russia:

youtu.be/TOvtwDq0LDo


No.