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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2



jon357
8 Jun 2022  #4381

Monica Lewinski Square

Yes that would show more flair however it's rare to name streets after presidential mistresses. And of course Marilyn Monroe or Stormy Daniels would be a better choice.

Naming it after something like that fantasy "dprk" or whatever they pretend it's called that doesn't exist has less impact though.

And I doubt Kensington Palace Gardens will be renamed Orc Baby Rapists Street or Vladolf Putler Avenue or Lavrov the Zhopnik Terrace any time soon. It would upset the innocent neighbours.

Novichok
8 Jun 2022  #4382

Poles were waiting for that for long time.

And you are being rewarded...7 million and counting. Soon, it will be the guys, the parents, and extended families aka "chain" migration. ..hahahahaha...
BTW, how do you like the new name for your country? Polkraina. Not bad, isn't it?

Cojestdocholery
8 Jun 2022  #4383

We are not crazy nationalists

What nationalists have to do with it? ]

That's what happens when Country A shells the people Country B f

What country? Are you talking about country that no other but Russia and five other third world countries regonize as country? Ukrainie has right to defend itself from a crminal agression of Russian and their stooges on its own territory.

Emotional stablity of some thugs do not matter, that is their problem if they can't control themsleves they should end up in a prison cell.

Is Kadyrov maneuvering to take Putin's job?

Maybe after all when he was 16 years old he killed his first Russian, in fact he killed them a lot and then become Hero of the Russian federation, you must kill a lot of Russians to become that hero.

Velund
8 Jun 2022  #4384

Question is, will the Donbass area be given to Russia or not in exchange for them leaving.

As Putin promised, each next peace offer will be worse for Ukraine. Before Feb. 24 it would be only Crimea lost and territories under control of DNR/LNR is autonomy in Ukraine. After that it become Crimea plus full territories of Donetsk and Lughansk oblasts in old administrative borders. After Kiev changed their mind on first round of peace talks, Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts was added to the list. I think, Nikolaev and Odessa will be in the list soon, and Kharkov to be prepared.

All that is historic Russian lands, that Lenin given away a century ago for their own reasons, without asking anyone.

mafketis
8 Jun 2022  #4385

All that is historic Russian lands

So? Trying to get them back is just spreading disease and poverty and violence...

All that money all that destruction.... for nothing. It will not make your life one bit better (quite the opposite) yet still you applaud like a trained seal hoping your owners will throw you a herring....

What a degraded existence... can't you even see it?

pawian
8 Jun 2022  #4386

7 million

You have been repeating this number for weeks. Where did you get it from??? :):):)

Cojestdocholery
8 Jun 2022  #4387

All that is historic Russian lands,

What is Russia? Where it orginated? Where is their national, native land?
Aslo what Lenina has to do with it? You do not live in Soviet Union are you? You live in the RF that has been created in 1991 after fall of the Soviet Union? You territorial claims are a joke.

Did you sign Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty in 1997? To break it in 2014?

And you are being rewarded..

That is not your concern zhopnik. Let Poles take care and worry about their own country.

Bratwurst Boy
8 Jun 2022  #4388

All that is historic lands,

So....you could agree if Germany should re-claim all it's historic lands too? Königsberg???

(Of course it would have to be totally rebuild:)

Velund
8 Jun 2022  #4389

And of course Marilyn Monroe

Monica was much smarter. Marilyn started using her lips a second time to talk about things that became known to her during or as a result of the first use of her lips. ;) This usually leads to tragic accidents.

But getting back to the topic (i.e. Ukraine) - I think there is little chance of a successful peace negotiation. Zelensky (on drugs) is trying to play his scripts, their masters make him constantly change some lines in his scripts, so it is difficult to predict what will happen next minute. The current Kiev regime's ability to negotiate is practically nil.

Dirk diggler
8 Jun 2022  #4390

All that is historic Russian lands,

Indeed. That's been "little Russia" for centuries. Ukraine is basically a made up state. The only legit historical claim they'd have is parts of western Ukraine which formed Ruthenia, Galicja, etc.

Zydensky is stubborn though. He doesn't want to give back any land, except for Crimea which he's now willing to part with since that was a lost cause 8 years ago, but he can't face reality. Even despite all the aid that the west gave, Ukraine is still losing territory and some 600+ troops a day. Estimates say 40-60% of their army is wiped out. It's to the point where they're basically asking civilian men to join the "territorial defense." Few are signing up because they know they'll become cannon fodder. They don't receive any training till they get to the front and even then they're given the most basic of infantry supplies. Yet I guess Zydensky is pinning his hopes on this rag tag civilian army to somehow beat back the Russians despite his professional army being unable to.

The west is already getting sick of sending all this aid to Ukraine because more and more constituents are upset that those billions aren't being spent on citizens first, especially now with economies in tatter, rampant inflation, etc. Especially when despite all that aid, Ukraine is still losing ground and it's only delaying the inevitable. The aid deliveries are going to slow to a trickle especially if Zydensky still refuses to negotiate with Putin based on the reality on the ground.

Even with the much publicized HIMARs... they only sent 4 units lol. A recent report stated that Ukraine is outgunned 20 to 1 in artillery pieces, 40 to 1 in ammunition. The Russians will constantly bombard them, reloading shells as quickly as possible, while the Ukrainians are rationing their shells shooting 1 or 2 a minute at best.

Furthermore, Russia has some 5,600 troops in captivity, Ukraine has some 500.

Their position is weak and getting weaker by the day. It's time for Zydensky to wake up and smell the coffee because at this rate he's going to lose another 20% of the country.

mafketis
8 Jun 2022  #4391

Germany should re-claim all it's historic lands too? Königsberg???

Maybe joint German-Polish-Lithuanian management of the fake Soviet creation?

repeating this number for weeks. Where did you get it from?

Where do zhopniks get any information? From Putin's zhopa (aka the magical source)

Velund
8 Jun 2022  #4392

So....you could agree if Germany should re-claim all it's historic lands too? Königsberg???

If you are ready to re-play WWII - you can try. And you can start practicing on Pomerania and Danzig, to check if Germany is ready for a serious action.

Bratwurst Boy
8 Jun 2022  #4393

Maybe joint German-Polish-Lithuanian management of the fake Soviet creation?

Well....since we are all members of EU and NATO....we kinda are under "common management" already! :)

If you are ready to re-play WWII - you can try.

No, what I somehow expected was your full support.....because of our historic lands, you know....as if we would still have a right to these lands somehow....even if that wold probably start WWIII and bring endless despair, death and destruction!

pawian
8 Jun 2022  #4394

That's been "little Russia" for centuries.

BS. Little Russia in the past doesn`t mean RuSSia today. Ukrainians showed RuSSists a middle finger. And RuSSists have lost Ukraine for ever. You will never control it.

Velund
8 Jun 2022  #4395

Ukrainians showed RuSSists a middle finger.

Is this same finger that is rotting in abandoned trenches near Volnovakha?

Cojestdocholery
8 Jun 2022  #4396

I think there is little chance of a successful peace negotiation.

Only when you are ready to negotiate your surrender or removal all your troops from Ukrainian teritory that includes Crimea. Other than that you should go there make a difference.

Maybe joint German-Polish-Lithuanian

We don't need German or Żmudzińskich hands there.

Indeed

We have a Russian spokeman here. Move to Russia and give up all other passports.

Velund
8 Jun 2022  #4397

because of our historic lands, you know....

Why not remember, for example, who ruled that land in 1760?

Dirk diggler
8 Jun 2022  #4398

. Ukrainians showed RuSSists a middle finger.

Yeah, they showed it, then the Russians took it and stuck it up the ukrops' ass. After that happened, the Comedian-In-Chief Zydensky begged the rest of the world for help.

You will never control it.

You're right, because the Russians control 20%+, so far.

Now it's going to be even easier for them to conquer territory since Ukraine is out of artillery shells and I highly doubt those 4 HIMARs are going to help much LOL

Maybe instead of artillery, the west should send them materiel for "evacuation" along with a couple hundred little white flags.

Bratwurst Boy
8 Jun 2022  #4399

Why not remember, for example, who ruled that land in 1760?

Heh:) Now that shouldn't play a role, huh? Königsberg was german since 1280....who cares about another rulership in the meantime...including another people now living there....right?

Once a claim...even long gone and not wanted there anymore....always a claim, because of history! Right?

Velund
8 Jun 2022  #4400

Königsberg was german since 1280....who cares about another rulership in the meantime...

Britain, and part of current France and Germany was owned by Roman Empire. Maybe Italy can pretend to their historic lands as well?

And after how many years someone can tell that he have right to pretend to some "historical lands"?

pawian
8 Jun 2022  #4401

begged the rest of the world for help.

And achieved an amazing success - all democratic world is aiding Ukraine and making RuSSia bleed under sanctions. Ha!

Russians control 20%

20% two months ago, 20% today. And? It seems you are quite forgetful - let me remind you - RuSSists planned to overcome Ukraine within 3-4 days. :):):)

those 4 HIMARs

Why are you so obsessed with those Himars and don`t mention all artillery pieces they got from the West??? :):)

Bratwurst Boy
8 Jun 2022  #4402

Maybe Italy can pretend to their historic lands as well?

....and you would support that? The rebuilding of the roman Empire???

And after how many years someone can tell that he have right to pretend to some "historical lands"?

...at the latest if there is another people living there now...with another language, culture, identity...when they don't longer want to belong to us, that would be an important sign!

Happened in human history all the time.....it will still be "historic lands", but we have to share now!

(Of course that works best if said people aren't enemies anymore)

Miloslaw
8 Jun 2022  #4403

Britain, and part of current France and Germany was owned by Roman Empire.

That goes well before the time BB was talking about.

@Velund

Your argument is weak, childish and frankly, rather pathetic.

Dirk diggler
8 Jun 2022  #4404

And achieved an amazing success

By losing nearly a quarter of their country....

That's Ukrainian new speak... surrendered now means evacuated, success means failure, losing cities means laying a trap, getting conquered means temporarily occupied...

RuSSia bleed under sanctions. Ha!

You mean the sanctions that caused the Russian ruble to skyrocket and is valued even higher than before the war? Or the sanctions that have made Russia make far more revenue than they even expected?

At best, Russia's economy is going to contract around 7-8% because of the sanctions, meanwhile Ukraine's economy is going to contract by 35-50%+. And unlike the Ruble, the Hryvnia is still worth dog **** with absolutely no chance of rebounding as more territory is lost, more cities are flattened, more grain and other valuables are expropriated, more ukrops flee to drive Ubers in Poland. Pretty soon, it's going to not be worth the paper it's printed on and whatever Ukrainians haven't left are going to need a backpack just to buy a piece of bread, assuming that Russia is kind enough to leave them some.

But that's again Ukrainian new speak.... losing half your economy now means sanctions hurting Russia

20% two months ago, 20% today. And?

Invasion takes time, nonetheless this just further illustrates how pathetic the ukrops are... tens of billions in aid, all the wealthiest countries in the world giving them hardware and money... and they still can't repulse the Russian army and kick them off ukrop territory, driving them back to Russia.

Miloslaw
8 Jun 2022  #4405

@Dirk diggler

What is it with you?

A Plastic Pole that supports Russia?

Sorry mate, I just don't get ir....

pawian
8 Jun 2022  #4406

A Plastic Pole that supports Russia?

Yes, amasing, but possible. :):):)

Miloslaw
8 Jun 2022  #4407

@pawian

Sorry Pawian, but I just don't get it.

Dirk diggler
8 Jun 2022  #4408

A Plastic Pole that supports Russia?

AGAIN, for the 2 millionth time, I don't support Russia OR Ukraine because both are enemies of Poland. However, I am not brainwashed by the bullshit that's being spread in media painting a rosy picture of the war and how well Ukraine is doing, how much they're winning, etc. Just recently FINALLY the media is acknowledging that the picture isn't quite so rosy, that Russians are taking one city after the other week by week, and that Ukraine is extremely low on artillery, troops to the point where they're putting civilians on the front line with no prior training, and most importantly morale. You can see that the Ukrainian soldiers don't want to fight anymore by the videos they post on social media.

I am encouraging both Ukraine and Russia to kill as much of each other as possible so hopefully Poland can take advantage of the situation, preferably sooner than later, and recoup it's losses by taking in 5 million new uber drivers. They're doing a pretty decent job so far.

I don't support Ukraine because it's a ******** country that's notorious for switching allegiances throughout history - sometimes siding with those oppressing Poland, i.e. Russia, other times like now siding with Poland against Russia.

Nonetheless, I at least tolerate Russians. Not Ukrainians. I've seen how both groups act in Poland.

At least Polish construction businesses can certainly profit once an agreement is finally reached. Their cities are flattened and they're going to need a hell of a lot of cement, rebar, windows, roofing shingles, etc. and people to do the rebuilding. There won't be many ukrops left since they all left to make their 3k zloty a month fortune. No payment in dog **** hryvnia please.

Speaking of which, maybe that's the key to ukrop victory. The Americans and others in NATO complain that the ukrops don't know how to operate new modern NATO equipment and would require a lot of training, and are therefore given old Soviet era hand-me-downs since they know how to use them. Afterall, this is Ukraine - the brokest, shittiest, most corrupt country in Europe. Of course their army is reflective of that and thus most of their equipment would be considered antiques at an American gun show.

But they can change that around. The answer? Armored taxis and hot coffee. The Ukrainians don't know how to operate things like M1 abrams tanks, F16's, etc. But a huge chunk of their population is awesome at driving taxis and making coffee. Simply they'd get a request that sends their armored taxi to a certain position on the front line and then their gunner, a barista, will throw hot coffee at the Russians inflicting severe burns and thus taking them off the battlefield.

I guarantee it's far better than any strategy the Supreme Comedian-In-Chief Zydensky thought of.

pawian
8 Jun 2022  #4409

driving them back to Russia.

. Ukraine has already achieved a great success when they didn`t let RuSSia swallow them within 3 days. Ukrainians proved they are ready to die for their country while RuSSists proved they aren`t. That is why it is obvious RuSSists are not able to control Ukraine. You know about it and your casting spells on reality is useless. This 20% you are so obsessed with will return to Ukraine in exchange for lifting the sanctions. Simple.

Miloslaw
8 Jun 2022  #4410

This 20% you are so obsessed with will return to Ukraine in exchange for lifting the sanctions

Agreed.
This is a no win situation for Russia.
And the sanctions might not be completely lifted anyway.


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