Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

It means that people can have different views, completely discordant to what we are used to . It is called diversity. :):)


RuSSists made a huge mistake with that invasion. They are too weak to win. The sooner they give up their foolishness, the better for them.

Then I am against that sort of diversity.

People.need ro.retain their humanity.

Riiiight... Crimea is gonna go back to Ukraine too right? LOL!!!

I hate to break it to you but pretty much everyone is unanimous in the sanctions doing jack **** to Russia. Like I said, despite all these sanctions Russia is making more money than even before the war on gas and oil exports, their currency is higher than before, AND at best their economy will contract 7-8%, not nearly enough for Russia to even consider pulling out.

By comparison, Ukraine isn't sanctioned, but yet their economy and currency has totally plummeted - 30-50% economy reduction, whereas Russia is 7-8%. Hryvia still worth dogshit. And unlike Russia, Ukraine is losing key cities like Mariupol - that city alone that gave their economy at least 5+ bil a yaer in GDP. Welp, that's gone, been ""evacuted" LOL!

No, Crimea will stay Russian just like Kosovo will be independent of Serbia.


You are casting spells on the reality. Amasing. :):)


Of course they don`t. Check your sources and stop spreading fake news. It is unprofessional of you. :)


Now. Within a year or two, RuSSists will give it up, paying gigantic compensation for the destruction. :):)

Yes, that's true. Ukraine has the right to commit suicide and watch its economy destroyed, too.

That was a very astute observation, Cojest.


Can you show us how you came up with that "year or two"? I mean the worksheet.

BTW, do you still feel that same tingle in your legs as what you experienced when you saw the first thousand Ugees getting off the train?

If it's different, is it higher or lower?

I don't really see where your gleeful tone comes from. Two countries will suffer most from this war: Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine pays the biggest price, but its' people are apparantly willing to pay it, they have however still hope that their country will long-term benefit from prevailing and joining the West. Russia will be severely weakened after this, its' economy failing (and that with the prospective of countries switchibg to renewables) and it's armies in shambles. Every day that passes makes the rest of Europe safer since it means more Russian soldiers dead and tanks destroyed. The rest of Europe will feel some fall-out in terms of refugees and higher defence spending and energy prices, but the impact will be neglible compared to the refugee crisis and Covid.

Hey, as long as they do it voluntarily,... Russia didn't force them to die in large numbers and see their economy destroyed or did I miss something?

As soon as the first Russian tanks rolled in, I told them to give it up because Z-P=0 and that the difference would not be worth it.

Or was my math too complicated for the people that - like Poles - can only feel but not reason?



If that's the likely outcome, you should support this war and rejoice that (see above two quotes). Without that war, Russia would be stronger and Europe less safe.

You just said it, not me, so it must be true.

But... In Donbass still live Russian majority, with same language, culture and identity. And does not want to give it all up due to demand of galitian minority, taken to power without due democratic process, by coup, supported from abroad.


Reductio ad absurdum often works even with weaker arguments. ;)

...by the snake.
Even if Donbas was 0% Russian, Russia had the same moral and legal right to invade it as the US had to invade Iraq - on the basis of mere rumor they later called "faulty intelligence". Poland went there on hearsay, which was really stupid.

Wow big strong Russians acting like they're gonna be happy long term after this war, despite knowing they'll be a vassal state of their only friend Genocidal Xi. He'll love buying your oil and gas at a discount for infinity. Meanwhile Russia will be so dependent on the Chinese for grey imports and key tech that XI will have you as his lapdogs.

But you'll pretend you win, just like you pretend you win the 2nd world war. You know the one where you needed the eternal enemy over the water in the USA to bail you out with lend lease. What was that? About $12bn of kit in todays money?

Great superpower? Biggest joke more like.you'll always be a backward nation whose leaders send the Russian lambs to slaughter periodically rather than have their tiny d exposed

Maf, did you lose your mind? In a couple of years, management would be 100% German::))


Paw, Russians do not negotiate to give; take is their game.
You see Paw even winning the territory, even most of Ukraine, unrest that surely will follow, will become a bone too big to swallow

You mean like in Crimea or in Poland in 1945 and on?

Do you mean like the ability to reason? Russia didn't force them, Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
You are so right; Russia is only trying to join them forcefully.

No. Russia is looking for NATO in Ukraine just like the US was looking for Saddam's WMDs and BinLaden in Afghanistan.

Spoken like the true American patriot, Not once do you miss a chance to blame America.

In other words, none.

You forgot to quote "Even if Donbas was 0% Russian". Unfortunately for you, Novorossia still predominantly Russian. Even Odessa, that was massively "diluted" in last years by conscriptable people from western ukraine (mostly banderist fighters with families). Just like Vilnius was "flooded" by lithuanian peasants after Lithuania got it in their hands - to make it "lithuanian city", not polish/jewish. As old woman who lived there at that time told me, many of new lithuanian inhabitants of Vilnius seen watercloset first time in their life and some would sit on the toilet facing the wall with their hands on the pipe from the toilet bowl to the cistern. ;)

Another great morning of catching up on all the Putin coxuckers praising of genocide and rationalizations of criminal activity of Russia. The circle jerk of the five trolls is really more just wash rinse and repeat BS. All the justification statements in the world are not going to change anyone in the west's minds. Sanctions wont be going away, and all the talk about how they aren't effecting Russia is just stupidity verbalized.

Really funny when people talk about places they have never been like they actually know something. Russians who have never been to the US talking about things is funny, but more funny is when people in the US who have never been to Ukraine or Russia talk about things. Like you know anything more than what the news feeds you.

Russia is the absolute king of corruption in government and society. Corruption comes at every level, from the regular person on the street to Putin. Everyone who can is on the take, it is the most corrupt society I have ever seen. Ukraine? Corrupt in government levels, just like Russia, but not all through society like Russia. Belarus? Just a back water turd world country that is wasted space, less corrupt than Russia or Ukraine, but only because L has so many people killed and locked up that everyone lives in absolute fear.

Meanwhile, during the great support of Russia on PF, more Orc's were roasted in Ukraine. 2 to 1 Orc's dying over Ukraine soldiers. Keep sending them to die and they will die. While the Orcs gain a little ground, supply chains are stretched, and missiles to Ukraine are likely to arrive this weekend. The scorched earth approach by the Orcs does two things. It flattens Ukraine and leaves a lot of infrastructure to be rebuilt in the future, but it also leaves the Orcs no place to hide from missiles yet to be launched. This is going to be a long war. Thankfully, reducing the population of Russians that can reproduce will be a side effect of Putins war, so in the future fewer Russians will be around to start more wars. Happy gulag biatches, enjoy the $hi^ sandwiches!

Wired, a popular American hi-tech publication, has drawn attention to the Ukrainian state program Diya (wired.com/story/smartphones-ukraine-civilian-combatant/). After the start of the Russian military operation on the territory of Ukraine, there is an "eVrag" (eEnemy) function, through which any Ukrainian citizen can transmit information about the movement of Russian troops.

This affects the cornerstone of international humanitarian law. Military actions against civilians are considered a crime. However, any civilian who transmits in any way data on the location of military forces - becomes part of the military warning system and loses the status of a civilian. That is why the soldiers of the Russian army, who shot at civilians with smartphones, do not face the Hague. In principle, neither do the AFU soldiers. This is the position from which the analysis of the ambiguous function of "Diya" is presented in Wired.

In other words, by his constant calls to record and transmit data about the positions of the Russian Army and the SBU and by introducing the "eEnemy" function to Diya, Zelensky makes all Ukrainian citizens who use Diya illegal combatants. And this could be another reason to prosecute Zelts and his cohorts in that very international court. I wonder if he's still aware of all the $hit he's doing?

@Velund
And is there an app or something that can be used to report baby raping? Female raping of any age? The killing of civilians without smart phones? The shooting of children not old enough to speak? The theft of personal belongings? The theft of grain? The destruction of civilian infrastructure, schools, hospitals, and churches?

Stop with your BS. No one GAF about your justifications here.

First you show us where this 7 comes from as I already asked you a few times. :):):)


No, this is your sick Mongol regulation which is worthless in civilised countries. The Hague for RuSSists criminals is inevitable.

BTW, your home with you on your armored couch with your rifle in the hands is not ta civilian infrastructure anymore. You are illegal combatant already.

And as to baby rapes, and so on - is there any proofs? Names, places, conclusions of police experts or pathologists? Everything that the recently fired Denisova came up with, can be printed out in large font on heavy paper, rolled up into a tube and stuffed flat into your dupa.

By what criteria?

Even if it were, why do you actively support an invasion which will wreck your economy and destroy the lives of thousands of innocent people?

What's the upside for Russia?

How is Donbas (or the fake and ghey concept of "Noworossija") supposed to help anybody? How will anyone's lives there be better?

You are making a schoolboy mistake of trying to apply categories of reason and common sense to Russia. Won't work.

Because all other ways to stop 8-years long de-facto genocide of Russians on Donbass and enforce implementation of Minsk II accords was failed miserably. Ukraine failed to cease fire and make a single step to implementation of what was signed, while OSCE acted as a intelligence officers of UAF.

So don't complain, we will act on it and to the extent we deem necessary and sufficient. The rest is our problem, take care of your economy first.


Lives will be better already by the fact that they will be. Life is not very comfortable under 120 mm mortar shells and 152 mm artillery shells, I hope it will not come to your personal acquaintance with it, but cannot guarantee in today's world.

Former human rights chief Lyudmila Denisova explaining to a Ukrainian newspaper why she made up crimes by Russian soldiers:

"I've been talking about scary things in order to make sure that the decisions that Ukraine needs would be made."
Denisova: "Maybe I went too far. But I was trying to achieve the goal of convincing the world to provide arms and put pressure on Russia."

she admitted lies i order to get weapons.same with bucha. a garbage lie ,time will tell

twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1534491370420948998

Not true... you just fall for anything State TV tells you, don't you? Is it nice and warm and comfy in Putin's zhopa?


And on the veiled threats. no rational counter-argument just 'fear my tsar!'

Interesting look into an everyday Russian supermarket (not in Moscow)

prices average twice as much as in Poland which means... really bad inflation... so much for a strong ruble.... he has lots more videos on the slow (and not so slow) economic trainwreck

youtube.com/watch?v=cl8QOaCltzk

the winds of change letters said that the Russian economy will be hitting the 1990s by sometime in June... (and will enter new territory in September that they're afraid to even think about).

@Velund
My armored couch? You have me mistaken for you. I am fully prepared for anything that may or may not come my way. Like many other Poles are doing now. Thank you for the compliment of being a combatant, I welcome the opportunity to protect myself, family and neighbors if need be. I am American by birth and Polish by decent so I am used to handling weapons and killing a lot of large game, and Orc would be no different for me.

Rapes? Proof? Its everywhere, and it is why many of you will end up on trial and in prison of life, or be killed. Hanging all of them publicly is the preferred method to set an example in my opinion.

rusia inflation is 17% , only slightly higher than Poland 14% atm.
but is slowing down ,,while Poland inflation is rising.
russias inflation is currently at pre war level
aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/20/russian-inflation-slows-to-pre-war-level-as-worst-appears-over
remind us of polish minister advising polish people to start collecting brushwood
for Russia ,,worst appears over, as for Poland,the real consequences of sanction war are yet to come. possible stagnation or stagflation. and it will be long term structural problem(no access to cheap energy and resources) ,not short some world event related problem.

cant build industry on brushwood

then why were prices two times those found in Poland?

Why have car prices in Russia increased by almost 50% since February?

Russian industries are crucially dependent on foreign parts and labor (since a mafia state can't organize anything legal)

Now Canada is pulling out....

republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/canada-announces-ban-on-export-of-services-vital-for-russian-oil-gas-and-chemical-sector-articleshow.html

Russians are in for a world of economic hurt, fortunately for them, they find the presence of the Tsar's boot on their neck to be reassuring....