Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

The man is dying in front of our very eyes. How can they force him to make speeches and public appearances in such condition? I am, frankly, appalled.

Ukraine has problems but none that require(d) Russian intervention.

Russia _is_ the problem. Russia can end it any time it wants.

Why should they? They are making such an outstanding progress on the frontlines!

No... wait a minute...

liveuamap.com/en

:D :D :D

thing is, they have all the time in the world.
and you dont understand strategy. they dont need territorial progress yet, all they do is create condition to destroy material on the ground.( kociol.)
all is it ,you surround enemy in the pocked,within artillery reach from sides,and you keep destroying material,for weeks ,before going in and take area.

ukra have no choice but to sent material and people ,in order to defend pockets,and keep paying heavy price.
once mil gear is destroyed or weakened ,you move in and secure area.
typical arty base army strategy of attrition ,and we know it works. ukra already crying about losing all gear and morale.

Again... anyone here following generalsvr? supposedly behind the scene info (and followed by some knowledgeable people....)

Interesting here (if true....)

twitter.com/generalsvr_en/status/1536658464419766273

I keep saying Putin has to attack NATO (because psychologically he can't help himself).

...and you don't understand military terminology.



If you don't understand what a "cauldron" or "pocket" is, then just check Wikipedia...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(military)

Show me one pocket or cauldron on the map...

liveuamap.com/en

first off that is a Russian lie. If you build on a lie your justfication of the Russian agression on Ukrainie you have no argument.

pocket silly boy.
its condition to surround area and cut opposing forces logistic lines.
you dont need physically secure entire area . there is term called area of fire control
in this scenario, russia created area with favorable condition for artillery positional war of attrition.
leavin logistic routes under its fire control
ukra has little choice but to keep sending its forces into area ,where they have to fight in unfavorable position
as for area of fire control,i explain simple way.
you dont need to physically secure highway that enemy is using as supply route,
sometimes is better to leave it ,but position artillery and destroy all that moves in and out.see lyshansk -bakhmut highway

Apparently your reading comprehension is equally appalling as your general intelligence.

I will help you: there is one salient (or bulge) in the Severodonetsk and Lysychansk area. This salient might be cut off into a pocket in the future (not very likely, but it's possible).

There is not a single pocket (that is "a group of combat forces that have been isolated by opposing forces from their logistical base and other friendly forces") or a cauldron in the entire Ukraine at the moment.

However, non-existing pockets (or existing only in your imagination) is the least of your problems now. I would be more worried about Putin's health - the videos are scary. The man is dying in front of our very eyes!

pocket:
"group of combat forces that have been isolated by opposing forces from their logistical base and other friendly forces"
i told you,one does not need to physically do it.you can cut supply route by fire control
especially when you have air superiority. one leave supply route and control what goes in and out.

Oh, so it's not a physical pocket... I see... it's a mental pocket I suppose? Imaginary pocket, perhaps?

Tell me, Grisha - is this "pocket" in the room with us right now?

lol. its simple concept really.
you use it ,when trying to destroy material. controll supply route and leave "sailient"" in order to force enemy to sent material there. some you destroy on the way in ,and the rest you destroy in strategically favorable artillery duels,where you hammer enemy from 3 sides.

listen to ukrainian soldiers reports,and you will see what they say

Yes, "pocket" is a rather simple concept. A concept, however, that would seem to escape your grasp.


Correct! That's a "salient" not a "pocket"! You see, you can learn something sometimes. :)

no. if you control supply routes with your mighty air force its a pocket

Nope. It is not a pocket, no matter how many times you repeat that.

Soviet military doctrine
Soviet military doctrine distinguishes several sizes of encirclement:

Cauldron or kettle (Russian: котёл, romanized: kotyol or kotyel): a very large, strategic-level concentration of trapped enemy forces
Sack (Russian: мешок, romanized: meshok): an operational-level trapped enemy force
Nest (Russian: гнездо, romanized: gnezdo): a tactical-level trapped enemy force
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(military)

Yes, Grisha, and in every case the surrounded forces have to be... well... surrounded. :)

no
it also could be
a tactical-level trapped enemy force.
anyway. ukras are fked and i provided tons of evidence and tactical brilliance in my analysis supported by unseen unprecedented volume of knowledge

The force is only trapped when it's... well... trapped (surrounded, without an escape route). :)

A force that can withdraw to its own territory anytime (like Ukrainian forces in Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area) is hardly "trapped". :)

Obviously, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're a waste of trolling budget, Grisha. I hope they're not paying you a lot. :)

zelenskys insanity trapped them in there bro . no way out

;D Together with his military genius, I presume! lol




:D


In this sense Ukraine is one big cauldron/pocket for Russian soldiers and it was the psycho Putin who put them there.

Actually they are trapped... Russia controls Severodonetsk and the only Ukrainians left are the ones hiding out in the chemical plant. They can't even escape since all the bridges are blown. Their counterattack failed miserably. The AFU is out of equipment, losing hundreds of soldiers daily, and is totally reliant on the west. If the west doesn't save them they're going to be totally overrun. Maybe they shouldn't of looted the military resources so much for the past 30 years.

I just read an article that confirms EXACTLY what I've been saying - as people focus on other things, the media talks less and less about the Ukraine war, so will USA's support gradually decline

theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/12/ukraine-fears-western-support-will-fade-as-media-loses-interest-in-the-war

International media coverage has dropped markedly in the past two months, she added, and "as that number goes down further, there's a very high risk of the support from the west going down".

Ukraine has become increasingly dependent on western help as the war has continued, both in terms of weaponry and humanitarian support, and will need international aid money to help rebuild towns and cities destroyed by the Russians in the early phase of fighting. Its treasury is bare.

Russia, meanwhile, appears close to taking the shattered Donbas city of Sievierodonetsk, after afailed counterattack by Ukraine's forces.

People care more about Johnny Depp's court case than Ukraine

Oleksiy Arestovych, a high-profile military adviser to the president's office, said media fatigue was unavoidable as the conflict drew on. "It was inevitable that the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard trial garnered more views and likes than the war. People are getting weary and tired, but we couldn't care less. You don't have to talk about us at all. Just give us the weapons," he told the Observer.

Told ya...

Americans have already for the most part forgotten about this. It's yesterday's news. And with all the problems going on with stagflation and even silly distractions like the Johnny Depp case, well Ukraine isn't a top priority. The average American likely can't even tell you that what the capital of Ukraine even is (Remember Kamala's explanation? Ukraine is a small country in Europe next to Russia, Russia is a big country and attacked Ukraine... LOL!), but can tell you all the details about Johnny Depp's battle with Amber Heard.

:D ... and the 2nd army in the world.


Ukrainians are still controlling the suburbs, and apart from artillery barrages Russians are not conducting any major assaults in the city at the moment...



... also, according to Serhiy Hayday, Severodonetsk is not blocked and the communication with the city exists. Of course, blowing up the bridges will make the evacuation of civilians more difficult, but maybe that was Russia's intention.

So you prefer to go on with russia's ritual suicide war?

For now...


A) This is an artillery war and
B) They don't need to conduct major assaults in the city because they already control it

Why don't they take the rest of it then? I cannot help but think that you're way too optimistic as to Russia's strategy and their general progress in this war. On the one hand we keep hearing about exorbitant Ukrainian losses, incompetence and corruption, and on the other hand the frontlines have been practically frozen in the last couple of weeks. So, what's the story? How come the invincible Russian army failed to make any major breakthrough anywhere on the front?


Interesting... "#Putin admitted that choosing to seize #Ukraine first was his mistake. He expressed confidence that if a special operation had been carried out against the #Baltic countries, the result would have been "practically guaranteed"."

The only "practically guaranteed" result would have been open war with NATO. And it wouldn't last 4 months :)

youtu.be/wZ0CkIavY6M

Danke Mutti, for getting played by Putin and preventing Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO back in the Bush era. Putin loves you, you stupid cow.

Great post!
She was very naive and unbelievably stupid.

Yes, their performance has ranged from abysmal to subpar, nonetheless, the facts remain:
1) Russia is steadily conquering and occupying Ukrainian territory, not the other way around
2) Ukraine is out of ammunition and is now totally reliant on the west just to gain some parity with the Russians
3) The west has cooled on helping the Ukraine, even if they send a few token pieces i.e. the 4-7 HIMARs systems (out of the 300 that Ukraine asked for), it'll make little to no difference on the battle field

4) American attention is focusing elsewhere due to more pressing problems stateside leaving the EU countries, which have a far far weaker military and a fraction of the amount of extra supplies, to help Ukraine. The Johnny Depp trial is more talked about than Ukraine. In fact, more and more Americans are talking about how we shouldn't even be helping Ukraine and are against the $40 bil that was allocated. People whether your average Joe-taxpayer or Kissinger or the people at Davos are calling for a negotiation to end the war, even if it means Ukraine ceding territory.

Funny how people cry about oh we can't cede territory to Putin, what example would that set? He's evil, no way! Well, the west was fine with giving Poland's sovereignty along with much of E. Europe to Stalin after WW2 because they too were sick of war.

Ukrainian logic:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has branded the human cost of the battle for east "simply terrifying," urging Western allies to speed arms deliveries to shore up Ukraine's ability to reclaim territory.

"We just need enough weapons to ensure all of this. Our partners have them."
His presidential advisor, Mikhaylo Podolyak, has listed hundreds of howitzers, tanks and armored vehicles as among items needed by the Ukrainian army.

Bill Gates has tens of billions, I need it, therefore he should give it to me. At least half of what he has. And while he's at it I want: 10 homes, 50 cars, 2 yachts, and 12 playboy models to act as my bodyguards.

Hey, it's cheaper than the shopping list Ukraine gave the west...

@Dirk diggler

The usual bollocks from Dirk.


No it isnt.
They still don't much more than they started with and what are they going to do with those cities they have reduced to rubble?

This does not sound like a thought out strategy to me.
Useless Russians.


But more is arriving.
Meanwhile, Russia is so low on ammo that they are now using useless old sixties ones and absolutely no chance of any fresh supplies coming in.


You really think America is what matters?
Wake up Adrian, the world has moved on, America is still a great and powerful country, but Ukraine does not need America to win this war.

They have more than enough support already.

@Dirk diggler

The rest of your post was just idiotic BS and not worth commenting on.

Mark my words,Russia will suffer much more when this war ends than Ukraine.
I can't understand why you can't see that.
Or maybe you just don't want to see that.
Because it doesn't suit your agenda.