Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

If we fought wars over what people thought or said all the time, we would always be at war. The thought police are in Russia.

Meanwhile Russian missiles hit more civilian apartments and kill more children. I would love for missiles to be hitting Russian apartments right now to see their reactions to dead children.

@Maf

Can you imagine Germany in 2022 glorifying their nazis and telling people not to argue about the past but think about the future?

This is ridiculous.

But luckily Ukrainian foreign ministry said that Melnyk's words do not represent their official position - so now, I suppose, we will hear what their official position is, so as to avoid similar misunderstandings in the future.

All is well in the universe.

Let's not compare strawberries and cheese.... in several post-Soviet countries - those who fought on the German side were seen, above all, as fighting the Soviets (who just gotten done killing a few million Ukrainians through starvation) so it's not really the same thing (unless you're pro-Soviet).

Is it?

Imagine a slight change of events in WWII.....Nazi troops being greeted by polish civilians with flowers after driving the brutal russian forces from their lands, with promises for an independent free Poland.

That's what happened in Ukraine....an opressed, cruelly treated Ukraine....after the Holodomor.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Think about it....should NATO-German troops take part in the war, rolling into ukrainian land, fighting russian tanks, driving them out, liberating Ukraine, being greeted as liberators, fighting for an independent and democratic Ukraine, free from russian occupation....it would be the same images....curious, isn't it!

Just saying that it is a tad unfair to blame the Ukrainians for supporting their liberators....who knows what you would have done in their shoes.

@Maf, BB

Hey, guys, you can justify the pro-nazi sympathies of Ukrainians as much as you want. Knock yourself out. No problem.

But when it comes to denying or belittling UPA atrocities against Polish civilians - and that's exactly what this vomit-inducing ambassador creature did - I will take huge exception. Always.

Did he do that? I didn't read about that....

Of course that's a no-go!

I just take exception with those people criticizing the Ukrainians fighting for their freedom and independence and declaring them bad Nazis....just because their ancestors fighted the same forces as now...first Stalin, now Putin!

There is alot wrong with that...and the only one gaining from that would be Putin.

Yes, he did. I'm a bit busy now; will post direct quotes from the interview later.

Thats what the cold war and its hot off spins were.

@mafketis
Thats not exactly correct they were ethno nationalist enablers of Nazi policies.

Wanna side with Russia? Side with Russia. Knock yourself out. You are rapidly becoming the Macron of the forum.

Wanna side with Ukraine? Put off certain discussions until later.

Complete Bollox

yup. and as their ancestors,they were also fighting russians while wearing ss insignia and patches. hailing and slaughtering different language speaking people.
bro. ancestors of those western ukras,were guarding watchtowers in aushwitz. same with estonians and latvians.go to your cave ,read some sh.it then post .

Why?


nuff said!

The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р, romanized: Holodomor, IPA: [ɦolodoˈmɔr];[2] derived from морити голодом, moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor famine was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932-1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country.[10]

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A joint statement to the United Nations signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7-10 million died.[21][22] .....

Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[29] alongside 15 other countries, as a genocide against the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet regime.[30]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-FOOTNOTEWheatcroft2001-21

The Ukrainians would had sided with Marsians to be rescued from these Russians.....who could blame them? Oh wait....the Russians of course!

@Maf

OK, so be it. Let's deal with Vlad the Conqueror first. I will postpone the discussion until better times.

The German army were welcomed by a tiny minority and were not liberators in any way

You mean Uncle Vova....

mostly affected russian population in kuban,donbas.,since ukras were within polands border.
holodomor was orchestrated and implemented by ukrainian lazar kaganowicz

....Holodomor literally translated from Ukrainian means "death by hunger", "killing by hunger, killing by starvation",[31] or sometimes "murder by hunger or starvation."[17] It is a compound of the Ukrainian holod, 'hunger'; and mor, 'plague'. The expression moryty holodom means "to inflict death by hunger." The Ukrainian verb moryty (морити) means "to poison, to drive to exhaustion, or to torment." The perfective form of moryty is zamoryty, 'kill or drive to death by hunger, exhausting work.'[citation needed] In English, the Holodomor has also been referred to as the artificial famine, famine genocide, terror famine, and terror-genocide....[32]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-FOOTNOTEWheatcroft2001-21


You should write a Wiki article about that....let's see how long that stands....

its already there
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
as i said,learn some shi.t before you post garbage

I know what the Holodomor was the point is that only a tiny minority of Ukrainian people welcomed the German army there was no liberation of Ukraine.

Not in the Holodomor article...you probably never really read!

You should really study the Holodomor again....not what the Putinists tell you...

The big difference to Germany and Russia...we were forced to look at all of it....you have still a long way to go!

@Bratwurst Boy
funny how german boy trying and twisting sh.it to prove than russians are worse than german nazis.but but but holodomor.
not gunna work buddy.
western ukras were happy welcoming nazi scum ,and they were more than happy guarding watchtowers in aushvitz. i see you returning the favor.
ask your grandpa if he can borrow you hes uniform,and then you can join ukra army

....you mean the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians greeting the Russians as liberators right now? Throwing flowers at their Armata tanks?

Only this tiny minority of western Ukrainians still fighting?

Yeah....the world can see it all....or how you said so adequately: "not gunna work buddy"

Yup, biden just gave Ukraine another $800 million of Americans tax money to Ukraine.
Sickening.
Meanwhile Putin said he would be forced to respond if Nato military infrastructure is deployed in our new NATO members countries.
Could you be more specific Bully ?

i see,you didnt learn anything then

Again?

They show their barbarism daily.


They weren't in any sense liberators. They abducted thousands for forced labour in Germany. They were however dealing with a brutalised people, survivors of the Holodomor who simply encountered a country that cruelly mistreated then rather than killed them en-masse.


That is s fair comment.

I am curious would Russia liberate Arkona one of these days, after saving us from nazis in Ukraine. To tell you frankly it would be very emotional to me. Germanics, on the papal order, desecrated Svetovid`s temple and insulted us Slavs ie Sarmats greatly. And never apologized.

You still do! That dickhead must be stupid or take money from Kremlin. Why talk now? That won't change that much anyways.


the universe abhor you.


Well from the point of view of Poland they were traitors and collaborators but we can let it go after so many years. What we will no let go is their ethnic cleasing campaign and golfication of those scum today.

I don't understand why central, eastern and southren Ukrianie with majority of population that had nothing to do with willingly smear up themselves with sh't. That has to do with western Ukrainie and to be honest with about 1- 5% population whose ancestors were involved in that.

I don't get it! Why they are doing it to themsevles? There is no way in hell that Poland will overlook spread of banderite BS. I guess that teach kids some tailored version - lies- about it.

Military "struggle" means by the army, not random civilians throwing grenades into restaurants and getting Lidice treatment in return. By your logic, France never capitulated.

When contemplate I am actually shocked that America moved against Slavs ie Sarmats. On the finger move of Vatican and now even Patriarch of Constantinople. Its not logical. No matter how started history of States, still people there believed and believe in freedom. Millions and millions of them. Truly believe. It can be that all is illusion. So many hopes, so many.

So that we will not get entangled in semantics...Surrender includes an agreement to stop shooting. Up to the moment of surrender, those who are captured shooting are taken as prisoners of war.

An hour after the surrender, those who are captured shooting are executed. In that sense, Poland surrendered in 1939 - just as the Western countries did later on.