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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2



jon357
2 May 2022  #721

Couldn't they wait with the bombing

They're under pressure to have something to frame as a victory on 9/5. Nobody will swallow it, since they've falsely announced several times that Mariupol has fallen, however at least they can say it again.

They're still 500 of them in there, apparently... Jesus...

They don't care.

Paulina
2 May 2022  #722

I agree.

How about evacuating civillians from there first? Or you care about their lives as little as Russians do?

Enough is enough.

You poor thing, you must be suffering terribly. What those people in the Azovstal bunkers go through is just nothing in comparison... 🙄

They don't care.

Clearly.

mafketis
2 May 2022  #723

care about their lives as little as Russians do?

Russia has nothing to offer except violence and subjugation... a cultural dead end.

pawian
2 May 2022  #724

It has taken a long time since we first started discussing the transfer of Polish tanks to Ukrainian defenders. Today they proudly announced on Twitter that some of 236 newly acquired tanks are already in operational use at the front.

Good luck, Ukraine! Successful hunt for orcs! :):)

Other supplies include self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika" and multiple rocket launchers "Grad".

This year the traditional victory parade in Moscow may turn into a victory parody. Ukrainians suggest RuSSists are going to proudly march with the goods stolen in Ukraine: fridges, washing machines, TVs etc.

youtu.be/ynTNuag4HA8

Crow
2 May 2022  #725

Russian TV simulates Russia`s nuclear strike at Britain, after Britain`s recent provocations >

Russian state TV threatens nuclear strike on UK and warns of radioactive tidal wave

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> youtube.com/watch?v=r4eJvwtQJu4

I sincerely hope western Europe and USA stop this Drang Nach Osten. If strike at Britain happen because of madness of their politicians we shall all suffer no doubt. Radiation recognize no borders.

Dirk diggler
2 May 2022  #726

236 newly acquired tanks are already in operational use at the front.

"Newly acquired" 70's and 80's T-72 Soviet garbage... Then again, I guess it makes it a more even fight... I doubt they were even the more modernized "Twardy" versions

Even the most modern T-72's don't stand a chance to new generation tanks like the M1 Abrams or Leopard 2 (Poland won't give those up of course, nor should they). Even against light armored IFV like the Bradley the Lion of Babylon T-72's fared terribly.

Gvozdika" and multiple rocket launchers "Grad".

More garbage. A few examples belong in museums, the rest scrap yards not a battlefield...

Jews presented the old corpse with the Order of Ukraine medal

They engineered this whole mess starting with the Orange Revolution almost 20 years ago to Maidan to the present day.... Soros, Victoria Nuland (whose intercepted call shows her playing kingmaker in Ukraine deciding who will be allowed to lead and who won't), etc. meanwhile there's dozens of brand new well funded media outlets popping up during Maidan, provacateurs leading citizens to enter sniper's kill zone to get to 100 deaths (the amount US reps said would be needed for the US to step up their aid), etc. The Oliver Stone films on this topic do a good job summarizing Maidan and the current situation.

I don't see Israel giving any weapons to Ukraine, but selling Tavors to an avowed white nationalist, anti-semitic group? No problem! There's still even flights going on between Tel Aviv and Moscow lol! Anything for the almighty shekel.

Crow
2 May 2022  #727

"Newly acquired" 70's and 80's T-72 Soviet garbage... Then again... the M1 Abrams or Leopard 2

Then again, let us experiment.

pawian
2 May 2022  #728

T-72's don't stand a chance to new generation tanks like the M1 Abrams or Leopard 2

I didn`t know RuSSists possess Abrams or Leopards. :):):)
I have read their main tank in Ukraine is the same T-72, only decorated with a special cage on its turret. :):):)

Oops, this time the cage didn`t work. What a pity! Russists have to sue the producers for selling them such shytty stuff which doesn`t protect at all! hahahaha


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Dirk diggler
2 May 2022  #729

Russia is using the same "throw **** at the wall, see what sticks" tactics as WW2. That's why they're suffering such heavy losses against a two bit army. They'll meet most of their objectives in the long run simply because they have far more resources than Ukraine. They're trying to turn Ukraine into a landlocked country and seize control from Donbass all the way to Transnistria with Odessa being the hardest.

I do feel sorry for the people in this conflict on both sides. I'm sure even the people in places like Kharkiv, Donbas, Donetsk, etc. who supported Putin and Russia changed their mind after their whole city got destroyed.

I believe it was McCain who called Russia a gas station pretending to be a country. Well, if Russia is a gas station, then Ukraine is a lowly gas pump seeing as their government has been relying on gas transit fees for their budget.

Dirk diggler
2 May 2022  #730

I didn`t know RuSSists possess Abrams or Leopard

They don't, that's why it'll be interesting to see old soviet garbage go up against old soviet garbage...

Poland isn't going to give away it's best tanks. They're going to keep the Leapord and I highly doubt the T-72's they did give them were of the modern PT-91 "Twardy" modern version. They gave them tanks that were going to end up in the scrap yard soon anyway.

cage didn`t work. What a pity! Russists have to sue the producers for selling them such shytty stuff

First off, it's a mesh that's supposed to protect the turret where armor is thinner against RPGs and such. NATO forces put them on their vehicles also in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Also, most of the time it's the tank's crew that weld them on, not the factory. Nothing is going to protect against a rocket hitting the engine and fuel though where that tank clearly got hit.

pawian
2 May 2022  #731

They'll meet most of their objectives in the long run

No, they won`t. They are too demoralised and have suffered too heavy losses. :):)

they have far more resources

You mean more cannon fodder? Very well, Ukrainians are ready to deal with it. :):)

seize control from Donbass all the way to Transnistria with Odessa being the hardest.

Which is completely useless coz even if they seize it which is highly doubtful, they will have to give up all their gains due to the sanctions crushing RuSSist economy. Russists know they have already lost this war.

If strike at Britain happen

Then Moscow will evaporate into thin air after a few minutes. And other RuSSist cities. Do you really want it???? :):):)

pawian
2 May 2022  #732

it's the tank's crew that weld them on, not the factory.

That was sarcasm , if you didn`t notice. :):):)

They gave them tanks that were going to end up

Yes, but which are still going to make a difference in this war.

NATO forces put them on their vehicles also in Afghanistan, Iraq,

Funny but I have never seen it. Can you deliver some photos of US stuff equipped with the cope cages??? :):):)

Crnogorac3
2 May 2022  #733

British Mercenaries Charged By DPR With Crimes - Face Death Penalty!

bitchute.com/video/XKpDfkP558nv/

Prosecutor General's Office of the DPR charged British mercenaries captured in Mariupol

The Prosecutor General's Office of the Donetsk People's Republic began to file charges against British mercenaries who fought on the side of Kyiv. They are charged with committing a number of serious crimes.

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Currently, the DPR Prosecutor General's Office has opened criminal cases against three foreign mercenaries taken prisoner on the territory of the republic during the hostilities. These are two Britons - Sean Pinner and Aiden Daniel John Mark Aslin (Eslin), as well as Moroccan citizen Saadoun Brahim. All three are charged with participating in the preparation and conduct of hostilities against the DPR, as well as "mercenarism and the commission by a group of persons by prior conspiracy of actions aimed at forcibly seizing power and forcibly changing the constitutional order of the DPR."

It should be noted that under the legislation of the republic, mercenarism provides for punishment in the form of imprisonment for a term of 3 to 7 years, and forcible seizure of power - imprisonment from twelve to twenty years, and under aggravating circumstances or in wartime -the death penalty.

It is emphasized that mercenaries do not fall under the category of persons in respect of whom the Geneva Convention applies, in addition, mercenarism is recognized as a crime in international law.

They are not included in the categories of persons listed in Article 4 of Section I of the "Geneva Convention for the Treatment of Prisoners of War of August 12, 1949, as amended and supplemented"

- the message of the Prosecutor General's Office of the DPR says.

Currently, all detainees are in custody and give "detailed testimonies."

en.topwar.ru/195756-genprokuratura-dnr-predjavila-obvinenie-britanskim-naemnikam-vzjatym-v-plen-v-mariupole.html

The prosecutor's office of the DPR brought charges against mercenaries from the UK

youtu.be/0hVvFjX53y0

(Subtitles available, select automatic translation and then English)

The DPR has charged British mercenaries captured in Mariupol.

Since they committed crimes on the territory of the DPR, they will be judged in the DPR, where, among other things, there is the death penalty.

Somewhat earlier, these two were offered to be exchanged for Medvedchuk.

Until Zelensky and his handler, Igor Kolomoyski are placed in custody, the ranks of mercenaries will remain constant.

Plenty of Brits and Hamericans willing to sign up for a pallet of hundred dollar bills tax free, courtesy of Janet Yellen's printing press.

pawian
2 May 2022  #734

they will have to give up all their gains due to the sanctions crushing RuSSist economy.

German Chancellor Scholz has taken a resolute stand on the war at last:

reuters.com/world/europe/sanctions-wont-be-lifted-until-russia-signs-peace-deal-with-ukraine-germanys-2022-05-02/

BERLIN, May 2 (Reuters) - The sanctions imposed on Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine will not be lifted until Moscow reaches a peace agreement with Ukraine, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said, adding that it was for Ukraine to determine the peace terms.

buhahahaha RuSSists must be furious.


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jon357
2 May 2022  #735

You mean more cannon fodder

They're running out of orcs after losing 23000 and can no longer replace or easily source the equipment they need. In the medium to long term russia is ******.

I have read their main tank in Ukraine is the same T-72

Of which they've of course lost more than a thousand and are losing more every day. It's doubtful how many they have left (they lie about defence stats) and in any case, the ones they hold in reserve are unlikely to work any better than the Ivan Cookers currently bogged down and unable to move in the Sonbas.

They're doubtless trying to race to repair them and make them fit for use however on current form this will, like the whole russian invasion, be like the Bryansk Miracle all over again.

Donetsk People's Republic

No such thing.

pawian
2 May 2022  #736

the ones they hold in reserve are unlikely to work any better

I have just read that 40% tanks they have kept in reserve are useless coz they have been stripped of their vital parts, starting from high tech stuff to engines. Clay feet all over RuSSia. And those corrupt losers are dreaming of an empire. :):):)

amiga500
3 May 2022  #737

I highly doubt the T-72's they did give them were of the modern PT-91 "Twardy" modern version.

Proof? Poland is getting some British tanks as backfill till the abrams arrive, the brit tanks are good, why wouldn't they give the Ukris the Twardy version?

Besides if you don't think the Ukranians are not being trained to use the Abrams, the latest MRLs and even F-16s and whatever other kick ass next gen weapons USA and Nato has in store, to be used in a few months in a massive counter-offensive then you are naive as f*ck. The drones that the Ukris are already using far surpasses the russian tech, the 155mm howitzers are already in the field with precision targeting thanks to the drones/Elint, the Swedish 155mm artillery is already on the field with a range of 60km, far surpassing russian artillery. It's just the problem of quantity at the moment. Ukris are being trained on mass in western countries to use western tech and will be ready to kick ass shortly.

pawian
3 May 2022  #738

RuSSists are going to proudly march with the goods stolen in Ukraine: fridges, washing machines, TVs etc.

Apart from household appliances, RuSSists also steal Ukrainian crops and works of art. Svoloche! Barbarian savages!


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johnny reb
3 May 2022  #739

I'm afraid if this war continues for another four to six weeks that NATO will be dragged into it.
I don't believe that uncle Pooty has an end game to it.

PolAmKrakow
3 May 2022  #740

@johnny reb
Reports now that Putin will declare war on the 9th and then move to annex the eastern part of Ukraine. If this happens, Russian sanctions will not be lifted for a very long time. Incredibly stupid actions by an incredibly stupid leader.

Crow
3 May 2022  #741

Barbarian savages!

Why NATO had to spread?

Why Drang Nach Osten?

Why EU invested in Maiden?

GefreiterKania
3 May 2022  #742

Why NATO had to spread?

Because Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, the Baltics etc. - now pay attention Crow - wanted to join NATO. People of those countries wanted it and the governments did the will of the people. Simple as that. Nobody forced any country to join either NATO or the EU.

Why Drang Nach Osten?

Again - it's not like the EU dragged anyone east of Germany into the Union, they applied for membership and they are quite happy with it (despite the antics of wannabe dictators like Orban or Kaczynski).

Why EU invested in Maiden?

Gee, I don't know - maybe (just maybe) because when people want freedom and democracy, and try to escape the despotism of Greater Mongolia (aka russia), it is a decent and humane thing to help them?

Now a question for you, Crow - why every country who has ever had anything to do with russia wants absolutely nothing to do with them ever again? Oh, and Serbia doesn't count - you don't have a border with the mongols.

Crnogorac3
3 May 2022  #743

This is the American way of life the US government spends so much effort starting wars and toppling governments to promote.

twitter.com/caitoz/status/1520595191802961920

youtu.be/OO18F4aKGzQ

twitter.com/SergioMir12/status/1520644523373723648

Instead of solving the problems of deteriorating infrastructure, the rapidly increasing number of the homeless and providing proper healthcare for all of its citizens...

Biden seeks $46 billion more for Ukraine, a massive jump in funding

todayonline.com/world/biden-seeks-s46-billion-ukraine-massive-jump-funding-1886196

why are americans putting up with this criminality?

Paulina
3 May 2022  #744

@Crnogorac3, why are Russians putting up with the criminality of Putin's regime?? Why are they killing fellow Slavs... again??

Why are Russians stealing washing machines and kid's toys from Ukrainians??

How pathetic is that??

mafketis
3 May 2022  #745

How to succeed in publishing...

step one: ban the word Ukraine from school textbooks....

step two: watch your warehouse (barely an hour outside of Moscow) go up in flames...

Maybe I should have used a different title....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1521335447166889985

Paulina
3 May 2022  #746

step one: ban the word Ukraine from school textbooks....

Are you serious?

step two: watch your warehouse (barely an hour outside of Moscow) go up in flames...

Nothing to see here - it's only long May weekend grilling that went wrong lol

Burn baby burn

mafketis
3 May 2022  #747

Are you serious?

According to Anne Applebaum....

This week on Russian TV, commentators (who only say what the Kremlin wants them to)

Threatened the world with nuclear holocaust in WW3.

Threatened to destroy Ireland and the UK with a nuclear tsunami.

Threatened to starve Ukraine by stealing their crops.

And people wonder why countries around them want to join NATO?

The "snake" is not NATO the snake is Moscow and its poisonous and treacherous policies....

jon357
3 May 2022  #748

watch your warehouse (barely an hour outside of Moscow) go up in flames...

I suspect we will see a lot of this over the next few weeks.

grilling

Barbecue. Putin has yet to be grilled, however if he survives, the prosecutors will certainly grill him in court and hopefully the interrogators will have done so first.

There are some unconfirmed sports that Gerasimov has died of his injuries. Hopefully these reports are true.

Crnogorac3
3 May 2022  #749

Official vehicle of the U.S. Embassy in Russia

twitter.com/DrazaM33/status/1517574154341519364

;)

pawian
3 May 2022  #750

Instead of solving the problems of deteriorating infrastructure,

Yes, tell us why 20% Russians don`t have a toilet inside but have to go use an outhouse? Including students of 3000 schools in Russia?


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