Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Wow you're on fire today. First it was Poland as a respected world power, now it's a stable and westernized Libya (somewhat awkwardly, Libya is also host to the largest and most active faction within ISIS). What's next - gonna tell me about the booming tech sector in Burma?

One thing you got right about Libya, it's population is very "outward looking".

Germany and France are at the bottum of those helping Ukrainie no matter HOW and WHAT you count.

You're a bit out of date with that one.

And of course much of the west's oil comes from KSA where there is currently a rather nasty border war with Yemen, also an oil producer, Iraq (no comment needed) and russia, currently also at war. Libya however has worked hard for peace and worked hard to drive the militias away.


Or the booming tech sector in China who operate concentration camps...


Hugely so.

....and I'm not proud of it!

But that hostility is uncalled for and only helps Putin...

Roughly 450k.


No notable problems so far. Surveys indicate that the majority of them are against Putin's war in any case.


I heavily doubt that. Germany is Ukraines' second biggest financial donor. More than 400k refugees and rising. And since Berlin will now send Gepards and Pzk 2000s it is no longer behind other Europeans in terms of military aid.

Quick question. What are the three Russian accomplishments in Ukraine (since Feb 24 of this year) that you, as a Russian patriot, are most proud of?

Facts don't care about your feelings. What hostility? If anything Germany and France are hostile to Poland doing what they do in EP and EC.


Apart from some demostrations in Berlin pro-Putin and with Russian flags.

To be fair....that are mainly Russians....it seems we now have MILLIONS of them here...Russians and Ukrainians....

Indeed. And you really ought to read up about the actual extent of German assistance to Ukraine before you complain.


I thought the question was how the Ukrainian refugees interacted with Russian-speaking Germans? There have been no notable negative incidents to my knowledge.

I doubt that. It must be all those Syrian mothers with children. lol!


I don't complain. You are stomping your feet like a penulant child. Stick to facts, so far it is what I said it is. What you talk about it is the future.

NEW MASS SURRENDER OF UKROP SOLDIERS

bitchute.com/video/bTdpfqLMuGsI/

EPIC URBAN COMBAT: RUSSIAN WAGNER PMC'S CAPTURE AFU PRISONERS AFTER CLOSE QUARTERS SHOWDOWN

bitchute.com/video/LBwH84HPHOkr/

FRESH LOSSES OF AFU ON EVERY FRONTLINE: KHARKOV, POPASNAYA, IZYUM (18++)

bitchute.com/video/BFVazt3ITF96/

MAJOR EXPLOSIONS ALL OVER WESTERN UKRAINE

bitchute.com/video/NBi26jsVKpjH/

FULL (EXTRA LONG) VERSION OF WAGNER FIREFIGHT - SKIP TO 9 MINUTE MARK - MUST WATCH!!!!

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THE BIG BEAST AWAKENS: RUSSIAN 2S7M MALKA 203MM HEAVY ARTILLERY

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Or the actual extent of german assistance to russia. It dwarfs any military aid to Ukraine.


There's long-standing irredentism there and a case for border adjustments, especially with their borders with former Yugoslavia. Nevertheless the Hungarians in Ukraine don't get a bad deal and irredentism rarely ends well.

Wagner guys like on a military exercise.

Four Wagners captured eight ukrops.

Or as some would say perhaps they just don't know how to fight... :)

@Crnogorac3

Same question: What are the three Russian accomplishments in Ukraine (since Feb 24 of this year) that you, as a supporter of Russia, are most happy about?

I'll try to put aside the preposterous premise of your question and try to answer it objectively.

First and foremost, I'm most proud of our soldiers. Operating in a one-sided information war, where they are forbidden from carrying phones and recording devices by law, while the Ukrainians daily flood the airwaves with photos of burnt armor and mangled corpses - could not have been easy. The collective Western world has been pouring **** on them, and the military at large, for the past two months. Top officials and their parroting populations using epithets like "incompetent", "paper tiger", etc. This, should be demoralizing. Yet, despite all this they continue to do their job methodically and effectively. Now all that's left for the West to do is endlessly opine about how Russia "inexplicably" did not manage to end the war in under a week.

Second, in what is likely the most extreme battlefield environment in recent history, Russian soldiers are fighting against the weapons of the collective West. No armed conflict in our lifetime involved such a saturation of weapons provided by outsiders over such a short period of time. Already, Ukrainians have something like 10x ATGMs for every Russian tank. What's more, America provides them with real time targeting information, leading to the deaths of Russian generals and the sinking of warships, for example. It provides real time intelligence on inbound strikes, and advises them on an operational and strategic level. Despite all this, Russian soldiers continue to advance, occupying a territory now roughly the size of England. One cannot help but feel proud when you are making gains in the face of such odds.

This is why it makes me chuckle when I read the cute messages from Germans and Poles here about "what a revelation it has been to see Russia's inferior military quality". This coming from a country that just gave away nearly all of its tanks in one small shipment, and one month ago was afraid to hand over a dozen Migs lest it's sky be undefended (Poland). Germany, though more humble, should also stay silent - since this conflict has revealed that Germany is de facto a militarily impotent. Rolling over a Germany or a Poland, sans an American nuclear umbrella, would be an infinitely easier proposition than fighting Ukraine in the current state. So yes, it's wise policy on your part to help them as best you can and no use pretending you are doing it for unselfish reasons.

Most of Europe is still buying Russian oil and gas so that would hardly justify placing Germany at the bottom. We also ought to properly take into account how the UK was Russia's most helpful partner in laundering the ill-gotten money of Putin's oligarchs, so you really ought to get off your high horse.

How many refugees has the UK taken in again?

I'm sorry but if you really think there's even a modicum of truth in this, you are no less stupid than those who think Russia is currently helping Ukraine denazify itself.

Fortunately few of those countries were selling arms to russia after their invasion of Ukraine started.


All the more to seize and give to Ukraine.

@Korvinus

Eh, I doubt you're as immersed in the subject, if only because you are not as close to it. However, having said that - even if your sources of news are Twitter, The Washington Post, and The Guardian - you still could not have missed the positive developments over the course of the "second offensive". So... I don't know what you're talking about?

In specifics - Mariupol has fallen. Forces deployed there have been redeployed north and west. From the east the attack is grinding through multiple belts of Ukrainian defenses fortified over 8 years. All indications are that there will be either a series of mini cauldrons (one containing 1,000 Ikrkainians has already been formed), or one massive one - where the Donbass group of forces will be digested. In the west, Russian forces are already outside Nikolayev.

Even if the operation is concluded with just a linking of Russian territory along the southern rim from Donbass to Moldova - this will provide a wide launching pad for future offensives into the heart of the Ukraine (if they get naughty again), that will be much more difficult to defend against than it was vs the group breaking out of Crimea.

Again, to what are you referring?

Is this in regards to the 200 T-72s and 90 guns?

Na ja:

....This data from all EU-27 official arms exports registers shows that between 2015 and 2020, at least 10 EU member states have exported a total of €346 million worth of arms to Russia.s. France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Finland, Slovakia and Spain - to different extents - have sold "military equipment" to Russia. Our investigation shows that the term "military equipment" is broad and can include missiles, bombs, torpedoes, guns and rockets, land vehicles and ships.....

investigate-europe.eu/en/2022/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia/

...France, top exporter of arms to Russia

As reported by Disclose, France has sold €152 million worth of military equipment to Russia. A figure confirmed by Investigate Europe's analysis, and places France far ahead of its neighbours, exporting 44% of European arms to Russia. ....


Are there any plans for that?

@Bobko
You realize the world laughs at Russia dont you? Your country is a joke and your military is the punchline. You couldnt take Kiev, the main objective. You are getting slaughtered on the field, and you are being beaten Ukraine. Try buying a Mercedes and tell me how strong the ruble is. lmao Try buying some cheese without a security tag on it, or maybe you would like some Levi's? Stay back behind your wall of $hit and enjoy your life. Happy gulag comrade.

@PolAmKrakow

Oh hello, Cow! I'm surprised to see you here. I thought you would long since have enlisted with the International Legion of Retards of Ukraine, based on the big talk from you last I was on the forum. What happened? Did your armored couch run out of fuel, or got lost along the way b/c you were chasing some Kremlin agents spying on you from the liquor store?

Ahem.

UK inquiry 'to establish whether British components used in Russian weapons'
Reported investigation into use in Ukraine despite ban on direct sale of arms and dual-use components follows thinktank findings

google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/02/uk-inquiry-british-made-components-russian-weapons-ukraine

Again, get off your high horse.


Which is bad, but given that France, Germany, Poland and the UK have each given Ukraine supplies worth bns each it hardly off-sets the balance.

You're not up to date - this "info" was already laughed at on the forum. We laugh at current Russian lies more or less when they appear :)


Maybe, but it's unrealistic, imho. Hungary is a member of the EU and NATO. They would be kicked out if they did such an unfathomable thing. I think Orban is smart enough to know that it's better to be in the EU than outside of it with some piece of land. Especially that all imaginable sanctions would fall upon Hungary.


There's no pretending on our part. We're helping Ukraine for both unselfish and selfish reasons with accordance to decades old conviction that: "There's no free Poland without free Ukraine":

pl.naszwybir.pl/5120-2/

So, yes, Ukrainians are fighting for theirs and our freedom.

Слава Україні! Героям Слава! 🇺🇦🇵🇱
:)

russia has run out of friends that count; even China is watching and waiting, something they do very well.

We will see some big geopolitical shifts as this situation progresses. Certainly France is worried and some of the other hydrocarbon exporters are looking at a golden chance. Bobko suggested that a particular country is unstable; that same country currently exports, in Europe mostly to Italy and is looking to increase its exports to pre-2011 levels. NATO as a defensive alliance is being tested too; those countries like Poland and the U.K., the ones that are palpably less self-seeking than others, those who have stepped up, those may well have found a new role while others slowly or not so slowly decline.

As I said before, AUKUS may well become PAUKUS and this would not in any sense be a bad thing, especially if Japan and some of the more dependable African countries participate.


Google it.

What for?

The latest scandal springing to mind is the one about russian oligarch and important Putin-friend Abramowitsch and his own Premier League football club....I'm not sure how Ukraine now will profit from that though.....

Are you aware this greeting is analogous to `Hail Hitler!` in the region. Salute used by bandera`s nazi formations while they hunted down local Poles, among others?

Are you aware? Did you ever heard for that?

Banderists killed many Polish children. They would use barbed wire to tie children for trees and burn trees. Banderists were monsters comparable only to Croat ustashe.

What scandal? Abramovitch (who Putler poisoned) is currently sanctioned and has lost control of his football club, real estate and assets.

That however is wanton whataboutery.

Meanwhile, rumours intensify that Putler is due to go under the knife for his thyroid cancer. It may be that russia uses that opportunity to replace him and try to save face. That won't stop the sanctions though, or the geopolitical and economic changes that this war is bringing.


No it isn't.

Slava Ukraina, Heroyom Slava!

But it is. Facts are facts no matter you say of them. Denial of facts is first sign of idiotism or worse.