Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Not in Lviv.


There's no reason for that these days. In the past Ukrainians were trying to free themselves from Polish dominance and create their own country. Poland no longer rules over Ukrainians and they have a country of their own. So they have no reason to turn against us anymore. On the contrary - Polish help for Ukraine due to Russian invasion resulted in creating a bond between the two nations.


Around 3 mln refugees from Ukraine have crossed the Polish border, but not all of them stayed in Poland. It's hard to say how mamy are now in Poland, because some of them went on to other countries (and later some of them decided to go back to Poland from those countries) and around 800 000 returned to Ukraine. At the end of April there was an info that Poland has given PESEL numbers to over 1 mln Ukrainians (since not everyone managed to get their PESEL I'm guessing that this number will grow).

An excellent synergy. United by shared interests and a common enemy.

And meanwhile, the orcs lost another ship, the Vsevolod Bobrov. Repurposed hopefully as a submarine.
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No, it isn't. You're clueless.

I have been dreaming about it for decades. :):)

I guess we'll see. Only time will tell how many billions Poland spend, how many people can't get jobs because ukrops are willing to do them for half the wage, how congested sidewalks and roads become, how much rent prices go up due to demand, how much more Poles are going to pay for gas, etc.


That didn't stop them from murdering hundreds of thousands of Poles in the Wolyn massacres. The ukrops were so bloodthirsty that wiping out all the Poles in Wolyn wasn't good enough, they had to move over to Galicia, including women and children. And now they want sympathy?? Forget it. Now they know how it feels when innocent civilians are mistreated by an invading army.

To this day the ukrops downplay the events and refuse to call it what it was - a genocide.

Yes, it is already happening. But who said that friendship is given to you for free?? No, you need to invest in it first. Simple.

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You live in the past, Dirk. Ukrainians who are being murdered by Russians now didn't kill any Poles.


It was defenitely an ethnic cleansing, I'm not sure if it can be called a genocide. And Poles took their revenge by doing the same to Ukrainians.


It looks like dreams come true :)) Pity that in such tragic circumstances... Ale prawdziwych przyjaciół poznaje się w biedzie...

A video of then president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, kneeling and praying in front of the statue honouring the victims of the Volhynia massacre:

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So am I.


What's the difference?


No doubt they are performing above what was expected. Nevertheless, they are experiencing not only significant civilian but military casualities. It's lunacy to think Ukes are easily kicking Russian or Russist (a difference that probably only exists in Paw Patrol's mind) ass. Russia has had plenty of failures but they've also killed and destroyed plenty of Uke stuff, including military. Uke performance has not been easy or anywhere near conclusive. Hopefully this will end very soon, but I don't think it will.

I'm simply not willing to pronounce the Russian military as inept or defeated. Things can change. I pray Uke holds on and wins this thing.

You don't know what you are talking about. You on the other side of the world.
So don't tell us here in the counrty what we should think when you don't know much. All I hear is your American background. You talk about issues that do not concern us that much.

If you are so smart why don't do something about USA being an errant boy for Isreal or about a mass immigration from the south.

You look at Poland and you pick up those things you would like to see in the USA.


Is not we are less gullibe, it because we had not so distant taste of the things that they in the west are try to bring onto themselves.

In the west people do not want mass immgration but either is too late and immgrants nijas outvote them like in France or their people and their elites are split on the issue and those with bigger guns - money and inflence have a vested interest in getting new people in.

Aslo Poland is still too poor to get imimgrants in that number and bulk like they get them in the west with their overblown welfare. There is not magic here. There are lots of people in Poland who think immporting people from diffrent countries and cultures is a good idea.

Even PiS you like so much, they didn't want 'refugees' in 2015 becosue people where against it but also those 'refugees' were shoping for richer countries than Poland, they did't want to say here.

PiS is bringing people into Poland in great numbers but those that are willling to work not some lazy and shady Arabs but still Indians and Pakistani are on their list.

You don't know much about Poland. All you know is outdated.

As for war in Ukrainie. Poland cann't afford to stay out of it. That is very much in Poland's interest to see Russia loose. The bigger they loose the better. Poland is not in a position to be really and fully out of it!

Polish people help becosue Polish people are manily very good people and help those in need.
Politicians know (more or less) that is our chance to kick Russia out of Europe for the first time in 300 years.
Germany are rather against that so is France.
Do you think that know better what is good for Poland like you from the safe distance?

From the mouth of babes, Switzerland is the size of Metro Los Angeles. It's minute. They can afford to stay neutral. Europe has been demilitirized since WWII. They would be very vulnerable to a Russian attack.

If Russia takes Ukraine they control world food supply. Move on to Moldova, Probably the Baltics, Poland and Finland no problem. They only thing that stands between Russia and Portugal is NATO. Without the US there is no NATO.

One question: What planet are you living on?

Strange how on a day when Russia is experiencing more catastrophic losses, the trolls are relatively quiet on PF. I imagine it must be hard to continuously read about Generals being killed, desertions, ships being sunk, and losing ground that was once held. Sounds a lot like what happened in WW2 when Hitler was in control and making military decisions at the end instead of qualified leaders. Indeed it must be very frustrating to watch history be repeated by Russia is you support Russia. It must be even more disappointing to watch it happen when the NATO allies haven't even sent one body to help and Ukraine is winning with less men. 10 to 1 death rate for Russia. Orcs really is a proper name for this group, mindless meat for the machine. Happy gulag biatches!

Exactly.

In Ukraine we face USA-Russia conflict. USA wanted but Russia said.... no you won`t.


Why Poland? Poland tend to be with Hungary and Serbia. You don`t say that some powerful circles taking over Poland and wants to use it, like Ukraine? Man, non in Poland is that naive.

The difference is that nobody estimated Ukraine would hold for so long - US intelligence gave RuSSists 4 days to conquer it. That is why Americans even suggested Zelensky should leave Kyiv and evacuate to the West.

Today Ukrainians are repelling the RuSSist invasion for 79 days. With amazing successes. What is it if not ass kicking?


4 days. Remember that number. :):)


I see you still have problems with sticking to what others write. :):):)


Really? So why is Poland delievering weapons and other supplies to Ukraine? :):):)

@dirkfidler
you are so full of dumb as F contradictons u forget yourself.
You condemm the 'ukrops' and banderites but you forget prava sector only got 5 percent in the last ukr elections, that is that ideology don't have support amongst the ukranian population both west and east.

You condemm the vast minority of ukranian nationalist as being far right and 'neo-naz' yet that is the same ideology u expouse, extreme nationalism and anti-semetic , really the circle of ideology places you in the same place!

You deny the historical healing that has occured since ww2 , u are stuck in the past , spewing your hate to a tiny minority.
you deny the massive economic opportunities poles have, as our ukr brothers to rebuild ukraine after the war
you ignore the many personal and longlasting friendships the top levels of government between ukraine and poland that have been made, the memory remains, this friendship shown by poland will be reverberated by ukraine for hundreds of years, Poland and their people will play a leading part in integrating Ukraine into the EU over the next 20 years

You claim not to be involved in the culture wars yet your every third post is about jews and turd worlders. In the same breath, you have the audacity to say i don't watch the news. oh of course except tucker, the king of the culture wars! how about u stop watching tucker and start watching tvp, they have a new app out tvp go.

in short u are comfortably living in usa and u know nothing about polish-ukranian relations, so wait till u get to wroclaw b4 u shoot ure mouth off, or post about how your family was massacred by UPA, then we can sort that out.

A Ukraine refugee is not happy about breakfast at a refugee camp in Germany:

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Even inmates in a Polish prison have a better diet than this.

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How would you know?

And meanwhile, russia have failed to make any significant advances and have abandoned their attempts to encircle Ukrainian troops on the Izyum-Slovyansk-Debaltseve line.
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I wonder where he got that....a Bashkarma from New York....any idea?



A Brötchen with butter and coffee....as long as all is fresh, what is the problem?

A bread roll?

It looks normal enough to me.

The source however doesn't. It is a notorious pro-russia propaganda account.

Yeah....bread roll...I couldn't find the word! :)

Oh, come on, Anti. In the first month alone they incurred heavier losses than in 10 years of war in Afghanistan! They haven't achieved a single of their objectives, and have to deal with desertions and refusals to fight every day. Not to mention losing a flagship to an opponent who doesn't even have proper fleet. If this doesn't spell ineptitude, then I don't know what does.

There was about 10 to 40% support for them before the war. I'm guessing here, it could be less but the fact is we talking about people in pre-war Poland. Those in the western part of today Ukrainie.

It was a party, idology, small warbands. Let say about 50% or even 60% Ukrainians were involved with them during the WWII which I doubt. We still talking about population that constitute at most about 1/4 of the whole Ukrainan population today.

Most of those who took part in it during the WWII either are dead or immigrated to Canada are died there. There are some familes of them.

My point is that vast majority of Ukrainians today either has nothing to do with things that happend during WWII. Most of them have no idea what it is and what it was.

It being sold in the western Ukrainie with support and money from Canada as a patriotic anti-Soviet underground moevment. It spread in today ukranine as patriotic, nationalistic movment still it is not embraced even by half of the population.

Also it need to be stress those from center, east, and south of Ukrianie have no clue about Wołyń and issues there.
You need to know what you are talk about! I guess your generalisation is your American way of dealing with issues.
OK I hope that will stop those people coming here and talking about issues they know abvout even less then they should.


Why? He can say what he wants. He wouldn't accost some random people would he?

There are heated arguments among English speakers about what to call them, baps, buns, rolls, barm cakes, bread cakes.

The name aside, that just looks like the kind of breakfast snack you'd get on a train, and there were probably other things served too. The Twitter feed it's from just looks like russian propaganda.

The deluge of propaganda is huge. Russia must be investing a lot of time and money in it, yet (like their invasion as a whole) it isn't working.


The next step is to unblock the Ukrainian ports. There's already a mounting food crisis and without Ukrainian grain, this will get worse. It's part of russia's strategy to worsen this. Having said that, another orc ship was neutralised yesterday.


Poland (and the U.K. too) will have huge opportunities in reconstructing Ukraine after the war, assuming the EU three don't try to grab it all. Moldova will be a very different place too.

Oh come on! I don't like people like you always jumping a gun overtly optmistic for no reason to be go to the other side of the scale in minutes.

I think people like that are emotionally unstable.
Russian Army might be corrupt, inept, badlly lead and not ready for the war but it is a still force to be recon with.


I call them baps. lol!

So the Russians are trying to cross rivers without securing the banks first - suicidal, but the commanders don't care one jot about their conscripts lives.

Probably they have all been breakfasting on vodka (the sprats ran out last week)

I always considered Italy's performance in WW2 as the lowest low for that nation. And yet Russia quickly becoming a serious contester :)

Come to think about it, Italy's performance was due to the Italians not really wanting the war in the first place. Russians, on the other hand, if the putinas are anything to judge by, want to kill Ukrainians, but are so absolute SH*IT at it, they got their asses handed to them.

By that metric, Russia is far, far, FAR worse than the Italians ever were.

Utterly so.

And now, Finland is going to ship some of its (huge amount of) Soviet-era weapons that Ukraine is already trained in to them, in exchange for NATO standard weaponry. Something the orcs should be very very worried about.


When I worked for a military contractor in Warsaw (quite a few years ago now) the officers used to drink vodka at 9am. In russia they probably still do.

LOL


It's true what they say: you can take a peasant out of the village but you sure can't take the village out of a peasant. :)

What we see is a one sided propganda. Yes Ukrainian are doing better they are better lead, better trained and better motivited.
They have stuff for war from the west, food from the west, info and USA spy satelites give them an ege in real time. Russia relay mainly on their own stuff.

Russia suffer hudge losses but that is Russian way they don't care.
Ukrainians lose people too. Less in defence more if they attack. If I were to guess I would say they lost minimun 10% of their soldiers.

I think Ukraine will win. They have to win, Poland has it back. As it was in Chocim or Konotop.


Has that happend to you? lol!
Peasant is you and your mama. I'm a farmer, no chłop but rolnik! There is nothing wrong with a village. It is much superior to a city or a town. Only poor farm hands that upgraded to be a factory hands have this - I'm in the city now atittude lol!

Brilliant news. I think Ukraine should receive modern NATO equipment eventually, but it is also vital to replace the Soviet-era equipment that they are losing on a daily basis. Fair play to Finland.


Of course there is nothing wrong with any village per se. However, there are certain character traits (negative ones) associated with some chłopi that you would seem to have in abundance. There is this subtle but important difference between człowiek prosty and prostak, and you prove to be the latter.