Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Yes, they did but Dirk forgot about Western Lend/Lease supplies. Yesterday I read an article about the vital importance of that aid - without it Soviets would have been crushed.

Now the US have declared another Lend Lease Act - this time for Ukraine. RuSSists will be crushed! Like Nazis during WW2. hahahaha

Ukraine has a population now of some 40 million, Russia has nearly 3.5x as much.


Which would then make it more equal to the current size of the Russian army - 1 mln active, 2 mln reserves.

@cms neuf
Are you referring to this article?

time.com/6176748/ukraine-war-economy/
Ukraine Is in Worse Shape than You Think

Here you go - right from Ukraniane's MFA - 27k casualties
twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine

Which is useless as I told you coz they are stationed in other strategic places all over RuSSian borders and they can`t be moved to Ukraine. And Putin won`t declare total mobilisation. Simple. It is amasing you don`t know such things. :):)

One thing is for certain, ukraine is coming out of this with even less territory than when it started. The only "win" for ukraine is that they'll still have some sort of a poor corrupt ******** pretending to be a european country left.


They have their problems, sure. But at the end of the day it's not Russia that's losing territory. Even if the conflict stopped today, Russia is coming out of this with more land than they started with. They gained Crimea in 2014. Now they consolidated Donestk and Luhansk. They captured Mariupol and Melitopol. Ukraine isn't going to recapture those territories anytime soon.

The temporarily occupied territory? RuSSists will have to give it up sooner or later if they want to return to business as usual with the West. Without the RuSSist withdrawal from all conquered land, the sanctions will stay in force. How long will RuSSists last before they beg the West for mercy, what do you think? hahahaha

So what? The sanctions aren't doing jack **** to Russia. In case you haven't checked, the ruble is higher now than in the past 2 years.

Did Russia bow to the sanctions in 2014 when they captured Crimea? Nope.

There's plenty of business they can do with China, India, Iran, etc. that are remaining neutral.


Temporarily lol... not only has ukraine not been able to recapture the territory they lost 8 years ago but they've lost even more now

Ukraine can barely hold back the Russians as it is, even with all their losses. They're not going to recapture jack ****. Rusia is going to formally annex those gains just as they did with Crimea.

Destroying Russia is a different matter entirely. That's always worth it.

Let's not make hollow threats however, like some retarded vata. We may return to the conversation once NATO places nukes in the territory of its newest members, Finland and Ukraine!

It is frightening and shocking that western European and USA public support banderists that are equal to ustashe. Support all who works against Russia.

But its not objective approach. Truth is that by installing banderists EU and NATO actually attacked Ukraine.

No, of course not, they are like caressing. Even petting. hahahaha


It is funny. you are using such infantile arguments. :):)


Funny you are juxtaposing old "sanctions" with the new ones. :):):)


No, they can`t. E.g., they can`t get microchips to install in their tanks. That is why they are stealing washing machines from Ukrainians. :):):) Funny you are exploiting such silly arguments from RuSSist propaganda outlets.

If invaders want their invasion to be successful, they need to make sure they outnumber the defenders 3:1. That's with equally modern armies. If Ukraine can mobilise 1-2 million soldiers, then ruSSia would need 2-6 million to win :) Fat chance. Especially that lend lease will arm Ukraine with the best weapons modern technology can offer, and ruSSian reich will have to use their ww2 stockpiles (I wonder if there are still some T-34s hidden for a rainy day).

Which is useless coz the high representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs, Josep Borrell, assured on Monday at a press conference in Brussels that the EU would not recognize any piece of Ukrainian territory as part of Russia.

That means sanctions will stay in force until RuSSists withdraw and pay compensation to Ukraine. Isn`t it simple? :):):):)


Yes, there are. But in tragic condition.

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Quite. Currencies always go up when stock markets go down. And vice versa.


Some say 3-1, some say 5-1. And russia can't even mobilise its middle aged reservists.


China are now saying that russia is losing, India is even poorer than russia and Iran? They have oil too and don't need vodka or hookers...

"If invaders want their invasion to be successful, they need to make sure they outnumber the defenders 3:1"

not the vehrmacht. the supreme military force the master race were able to attack kursk outnumbered and going against dug in defenders like 2:1 and almsot won it. they in fact attacked outnumbered france in sectors and many european countries and the soviet union and came on top many times. This is why Azov and many eastern europeans miss the days with the old germans the master warriors of teutonic empire or teutons before they became liberal. germans used to be warriors of the world. like mongols. both conquered everyone.

Invaders in Ukraine are EU and NATO. Its hybrid war. Russia tries to help.

Azovstal Fighters surrendering

twitter.com/SandraBou7/status/1526290144097095685

What do the members of PF say, will they be making Hollywood movies about them?

I say nothing coz I never open your links. :):):)

lol that guy you quoted i found a funny tweet he is right in:
twitter.com/AngieSkys/status/1525934906295173123?s=20

They got help....lotsa help....they belonged to the winner side with lotsa partners! Now they got nothing, are isolated, sanctioned, alone!

There is a difference....military strength isn't everything.


I guess so....and they will be presented as the brave resistance, heroes....the russian troops more like the german Nazis back then, ugly and inhuman. And billions will see it on the big screens and build their opinions about you!

Big deal. De facto and de jure are two different things.

They're also all "supporting" ukraine, de jure, but de facto are too scared to send their own troops.

The EU can write all the laws they want and condemn this or that. It's all useless without enforcement. Just like when they were talking about launching article 5 against Poland and Hungary.

EU is all bark, no bite. That's been proven time and time again.


Pretty much - all one has to do is look at the ruble value when sanctions where announced versus its value today. Even much of western media agrees the sanctions are doing little.

Actually, they ended up indirectly helping Russia by increasing energy prices worldwide. Now, Russia is offering oil and gas at a discount - India's already taken advantage of it and China's going to be next.

cnbc.com/2022/03/28/russia-india-india-buys-cheap-russian-oil-china-could-be-next.html

Russia prepared for this well in advance by building up their foreign reserves. In fact, there's more money going into Russia than out of Russia for a change. It's too bad they didn't put as much preparation into their military and were way too overconfident.

Neither did sanctions have much of an impact on Putin's popularity either, which continues to sit over 80%


You can call it whatever you want. It's only infantile to people who didn't jump on the opportunity or fail to realize that the value of a currency is directly tied to it's economic performance. Nor do you calling it "infantile" change the fact that the ruble is sitting higher than before the invasion. Even Forbes calls it the best performing currency this year.

Zolote - 🔥 🔥 🔥 on the positions of the 24th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

twitter.com/chilim67/status/1526250033988964352

The EU or countries that are in it...


Artificial. Their economy is trashed. Then again, economics was never your strong point...


By supplying heavy weaponry that has already killed many of your side and has turned the tide of the war firmly against russia...

yea but jon will weaponry itself really be enough?

Not being allowed into the biggest market in the world IS a mighty bite, believe me....

Ukrainians are fighting _for_ something.... the Russians are, at best, following orders in order to glorify the Tsar (who cares about them less than a small rock by the side of the road).

Russian equipment is mostly old crap (that corruption again) while Ukraine is getting lots of modern NATO style equipment....

Right now, China is not condemning or interfering with Russia's invasion. It is continuing to do business with Russia.

But, a tighter alliance between Russia and China isn't as much about right now as it is about the future. China will continue to be cautious during this war, but they have and continue to become closer to Russia.

China and Russia not only see each other as business partners, but have started to warm up to each for geo-political reasons. They both share the goal of a weaker US (as well as a weaker Western Europe).

Look at the deals and statements they've been making with each other. It isn't all about energy transactions and mining rights They have also been talking in geopolitical strategic terms-it's an ideological partnership as well as an economic.

I have a feeling we're going to eff up the post-war maneuvering by wanting to retributively stick it to Russia, instead of hedging a Russo-Sino alliance, which will then court a more malleable India into its fold.

If that happens, say hello to a militaristic and nuclear Japan. Only God knows how that ends up given the historical tension between China and Japan.

You are not paying attention Adrian.They are having a devastating effect!


Are you really that dim?
Artificially held up.
All smoke and mirrors.....


More complete bollox.
China and India will now start to distance themselves from Russia in order to keep their trading positions.

Iran is irrelevant.


Check the current news out......

Are you really a complete idiot?

Undoubtedly with judensky's tiny hat tribe doing the production...


Key words - "used to be" Modern Germany is a shadow of it's former self. I guess on the plus side Poland doesn't have to worry about Germany invading again.


ROFL!!! Yeah, because Ukraine is a shining beacon of modern democracy. And no, Ukraine isn't getting modern NATO equipment, they're getting hand-me-downs that no one wants anymore i.e. Polish T-72's from the 1970's and 80's.


Plenty of wars have been fought with the defenders having high morale and defending their homeland. That doesn't necessarily make them always succesful.

At the end of the day, the facts remain - Russia is occupying Ukrainian territory, not the other way around. Russia currently holds some 15-20% of former Ukrainian land, not the other way around and Ukraine is far too weak to recapture Crimea, Donetsk, Donbass, etc. They had 8 years to try to get Crimea back and not only did they fail but they lost even more territory.

And fact is, despite all the speeches and condemnation in the west of Russia and support for Ukraine, all of them are too scared to send their own troops against Russia despite their "poor performance." At best, they'll send 40 year old tanks as a consolation.

It has been so far. It's made all the difference. The NLAWs and Jevelins to start with, and now the heavy weaponry has reached them, hence russia losing Kharkiv and being beaten back to their borders.


He is, and proves it time and time again...


Yes their diplomats are saying that russia will certainly lose. The Chinese seem to be spooked by the reaction from the free world to russian imperialism.

Yeah, dim enough to buy rubles when the war broke out instead of hryvnia, which is still worthless dog ****. You can call it what you want, I call it 70% profit.

Surely you know better than Bloomberg... and all the other people who bought and profitted from the ruble, while watching the hryvnia plummet even further.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-11/russian-ruble-surpasses-brazilian-real-as-world-s-best-currency

gzeromedia.com/viewpoint/russian-ruble-weathers-sanctions-storm

The sanctions have done relatively little to impact Russia's large earnings from energy exports, where prices have soared. Normally, such sky-high commodity prices would strongly support the ruble, and at present, they are helping offset the negative impact of sanctions.

In terms of Russia's economic capacity to continue the war, sanctions still seem a long way away from having a decisive impact. Russia's continued huge export earnings mean the government is not short of money to fund the war. Continued financial stability and the seemingly high public support for Putin also mean he has no immediate incentive to change course.

Facts. Not feelings. Whether you like them or not.


Which is why tankers full of oil are headed to India and Russia is now building more infrastructure to send gas and oil to China...

reuters.com/world/india/indias-russian-oil-purchases-since-ukraine-invasion-more-than-double-2021-total-2022-04-25/#:~:text=NEW%20DELHI%2C%20April%2025%20(Reuters,oil%20that%20others%20have%20shunned.


The only news I need to know is an updated map of Ukraine - which shows Russia occupying chunks of the east and south. Yes, the lines shift back and forth a bit but the fact remains, Russia is occupying Ukranian land, not the other way around. Also, Ukraine is in no position to recover Crimea, Donetsk, etc. or even Mariupol which they just lost.

Really? Your anti semitism is not only pathetic but mainly supported by Muslims.

Have you converted Adrian?


You really need to research much harder.
Ukraine is getting state of the art stuff from both the USA and UK and training in how to use it.
Ukraine has said that the most valuable weapon they have are the British laser guided Brimstone missiles we have given them.


Again,you really need to check your facts out.

How much more territory do Russia now control in Ukraine prior to invasion?

I would say, very little and it is dwindling by the day.....


Wrong again.

The UK has already pledged to defend Finland and Sweden against Russian aggression.
It's not fear, that is holding us back, but lack of necessity.

The Russian military are absolute rubbish.
Nobody is scared of them.
They are even executing their own wounded because they just can't cope!
Useless!