Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Yes, chunks. Instead of the whole Ukraine as they had planned originally. :):)

Slivers more like.

Shrinking ones too...

" The UK has already pledged to defend Finland and Sweden against Russian aggression.
It's not fear, that is holding us back, but lack of necessity."

Again this means nothing. What does this even have anything to do with ukraine or current events moron? Anyone can pledge anything it doesnt mean anything or theyll follow tard.

Only if you are ready to pay as much....don't see that! UK isn't even a member anymore and Poland is still a major recipient, not a net payer...

You can hardly order around with one hand and with the other hand ask for more financial support or in UK's case be bossy from the outside....

Alone the fact that Germany pays alot if not most into the common pot will make sure it stays on top...*shrugs*

is being towed away by Ukrainian Farmer Brigade for future use against orcs who destroy or steal farmers` crops. Good luck!

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There may well not be much of an EU to be a member of. Power is shifting right now, polarised by this war. The U.K. is very much on the rise, perhaps Western Europe's only major power now and we are seeing a very different Poland emerge, one that is not in any sense as beholden to neighbours as it once was.

Even Micron seems to be facing up to the reality that the shape of Europe is changing. When Ukraine joins, and with Norway's role (with the U.K. since in effect we share the oil/gas extraction now and neither of us in the EU) a new Europe will emerge with those who have we're too close to russia left with a poorer hand of cards.

Even the attempt to wrest away the financial markets to within the EU didn't work...


Given the looming food crisis (the Bank of England governor described it today as an apocalypse) if they can get the grain out with that and the scrap value of the thousand tanks, those guys may soon be rich...

I believe this is said since the beginning... I wouldn't wait for that to happen, though! ;)


They will all still need lotsa support....from the old biggies no less...


How so?

Change can and does happen faster than prople think and in ways that people don't expect. Food, energy and resilience to russia are likely to play a huge role.

That and participation in/commitment to NATO, AUKUS and Five Eyes may plat a massive role too.

War changes everything. We've had two of the four horsemen already and famine is galloping close.

Not the value of money! In the end Europe comes knocking to Germany for support....with the Brexit UK showed where it's solidarity ends! A big argument for it was that the Brits don't want to pay so much anymore, wasn't it....

At one point the war will be over....the US won the peace after WWII not only because of their military but for their Marshall plan!

That boat may well have sailed.


Or begins. Europe isn't the EU and the EU isn't Europe. Ukraine of course has a shortcut to EU membership, however it would be premature to assume that the EU will continue in its present form especially due to this crisis and the next.


NATO did. And of course all decent NATO members have met the required minimum defence spending. As mentioned, there are geopolitical shifts, a different shaped NATO as well as the rise of AUKUS and of course Five Eyes.

...that will never sail! :)


It very much is....and who isn't in yet stands in the queue waiting....those left to join UK with some anti-EU thing are of the likes like Russia and assorted sycophants...that's something to look forward to?


As Johnny quoted so rightfully.... NATO IS THE US!

Even GB was supported by the US after WWII....(the biggest recipient no less)

Interesting points, however naive in the extreme. Europe is not the EU and several major European countries (including its only major power and its major oil/gas producer) are not part of the EU. Its main grain producer is yet to join.

And militarily, of its strongest two armies, one is not in the EU. I'm terms of military intelligence, the strongest country in Europe is not in the EU either.

It's not hard to see which stars are waning and which are rising. About NATO and the U.S., only one European state is in AUKUS and Five Eyes, both rising in importance fast.


Having paid the most for their participation in that war and the previous one...

Again....this war will end some day.....and then support for the rebuilding and trade treaties and yes, membership will become important again....

Brussels will offer all that....underfunded by....gasp....Germany! Where will that leave the UK?


Erm....yes....that's why I write in that forum...and you are?


....Norway is not a member state of the European Union (EU). However, it is associated with the Union through its membership of the European Economic Area (EEA), signed in 1992 and established in 1994....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

I'm sure the UK will get a similiar deal.... :)

Nothing runs in Europe without the EU!


The EU is a world leader....it's common market is the biggest and richest in the world....

What it doesn't have is military power...it's not founded as such....that might change though....

Ukraine obviously has a shortcut to more or less immediate membership; no decent EU states would try to impede or deny them that, however much of the reconstruction may come from sources outside the EU, as much of the oil/gas and other energy is likely to for the next few decades now russian oil/gas has gone for good.

Some aspects of the growing geopolitical shifts will be brutal. Those countries too close to former russia or China will have interesting times ahead.

Things look very bright for Poland too. A country on the way up...

See...this I don't understand!

One one side lamenting a weak Europe aka Germany unwilling/unable to do much with weaponry and such but on the other hand fearing exactly that...a militarily strong Europe aka Germany?

What is it?

And I see it also differently....this war drove the point of autarky home! We need to become more independent...from Russia....from China....but also from the US....we need to be able to safe guard our own!

This is a development which isn't stoppable anymore....and at its end will stand a european army!


That point will be reached when Poland becomes a net payer into the EU pot, instead a net recipient....then it's up!

You assume that Europe isn't 'militarily strong' already, and also assume that a militarily strong Euope of the future (Micron's fantasy) means Germany.

Not that this thread (or war) is about Germany. Or France.


If anything, NATO is becoming much stronger at the moment. This is very evident in the current war. Without the principal two NATO states, Ukraine would not now prevail. Micron even tried to negotiate away their sovereign territory.

One of the few sane voices on the mainland has been Poland, which as you were told, is very much a rising star.

And Micron's army is far from 'unstoppable', though they may well be unstoppable while fleeing actual enemies...

Retired Colonel Mikhail Khodaryonok on Russia1 with some honest thoughts (ie we're fu*ked) for the forr the orc host and her panel.
(former head of the 1st direction group of the 1st Directorate of the Main Operative Directorate of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff, Colonel)
twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882


Scum like you will be buying human organs from starving russians and selling russian woman into sexual slavery soon to make a buck.

Some certainly would. There are also people who would (and have done) far far.worse things There are companies that continue to operate within russia and financial traders (especially commodities traders) are profiteering from the war. One reason for a windfall tax.

Sadly in war there will always be people who try to make a fast buck. It happened everywhere in WW2 and no country escaped citizens with dirty hands. The poster who pretended he"d been profiteering in roubles is however a fantasist and just makes these things up.


Those intelligence chiefs from countries who border russia (those who've made their views known to the media, anyway) have all said much the same thing. That russia are fúcked. Their state media appear to be preparing Russians for this.

And there are still around 700 brave Ukrainian troops at Azovstal...

He has blood cancer from what Ive heard and a coup could be in the shadows.....


The one Crooked Hillary paid for the RuSSian collusion hoax dossier, ya hes credible.lol

@Joker
Yes, crooked Hillary, con artist Donald, sleepy Joe and the rest of the retarded dwarves all need to be locked up. Good enough? Lets move along now.

Meanwhile, Ukraine keeps on killing Russians. A third of the 150,000 Russians, meaning close to 50,000 have been killed or wounded and taken out of action. Now, if we add in the resupply of Russians from Syria, that number goes higher. Meat to be processed and nothing more. Happy gulag biatches!

Galeev points out that he correctly predicted the course of the war....... three weeks before it began.....

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1526321105916641281

Any sane country would try to get this guy into the government ASAP but this is Russia, so...... probably not....

Just when everyone thinks that ruSSian reich couldn't fall any lower...

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=y62l_IYzKKg&feature=emb_logo

... it turns out ruSSian officers are killing their own wounded soldiers, according to the words of ruSSian POWs who witnessed the killing.

cheaper than treating them...

As a "tourist" 😂

Perhaps the man wanted to visit the Azovstal factory, to inspect the facilities and so on.

The world is coming to an end - a couple of words of truth on ruSSian state TV...

twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

... looks like reality is reaching the brains of at least some people there :)

An article about Polish Facebook group called "Pomoc dla Ukrainy" ("Help for Ukraine") helping Ukrainian refugees:

kobieta.wp.pl/grupa-pomoc-dla-ukrainy-czyli-jak-polacy-stworzyli-cos-niezwyklego-6769491138947968a

They've realised they're big when Facebook contacted them and told them they're the biggest humanitarian help Facebook group in the world :O Facebook also offered to meet with them and give them advice and help with managing the group and fighting the trolls. The group's work has been praised by prince Charles.

People on that group were always two steps ahead of the Polish government in helping the refugees from Ukraine and giving them information. They didn't get any help from the government. Not even a "thank you".


Wow... So there are people in Russia who are in touch with reality... So why isn't he the member of General Staff?

Oh, wait...:


Right... lol

Do you think his appearance on Russian state TV is Kremlin-approved? Is he supposed to deliver a bitter pill to the Russian society or sth?

This Russian biatch is crazy. She is a cheerleader for war and nothing else, a hard core Putin propagandist. She is the first one I would shoot if I had the opportunity.

..."the situation for us will clearly get worse...we're in total geopolitical isolation...the situation is not normal."...

What I said....even if the russian army would be better than she (it?) is it won't help Putin in the long run....you need more than just your military to win such a war!

He already lost....

I wonder if the parade at the 9th of May was the last one of this kind in Moscow...

Do you remember that famous pregnant woman from Mariupol's maternity hospital whom Russia accused of being an actress and staging everything? BBC finally managed to get an interview with her. She's in a separatist-controlled area now and gave an interview in the presence of a pro-separatist blogger in his flat:

bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61412773

She said that nothing was staged, there was an attack on the hospital and that there were no Azov soldiers in the maternity ward and the hospital was still treating patients:

"But Marianna told me there were no Ukrainian military stationed in the building where she was. She says she saw Ukrainian soldiers in the oncology unit in the building opposite the maternity unit. It's unclear whether they were based there or not."

She claims she wasn't able to tell where the attack on the hospital came from.


Yeah, she's crazy + nasty... lol


You go too far sometimes...

Maybe so, but don't we all. Having dealt with many Russians through business, she is representative of the vast majority of them and their thinking. They actually think they are superior to everyone else though they can not accomplish much of anything. Personally, when the war is over and relations with Russia begin again, I will never hire or do business with one again, or a person from Belarus, they are just as bad. I am pretty certain I am not alone in this position.