Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Like a lot of people on the right in America, he has a h@rd on for Putin for reasons that require not really understanding who he is and what he's about....

Here's some interesting content on Russian morale (based on intercepted phone calls)

youtube.com/watch?v=uvIistgyQns

Normal for some.

With not much to do today, I've been giving russia a little thought. There are a few key things that put together give certain pointers.

- There was no Air Force presence at all at any of the 9 May parades; despite the official reason of bad weather, the weather was not bad at all.

- Putin taking full "hands on" charge of the war and therefore making himself personally responsible for any further disasters. Ar his generals refusing to play ball?

- The orc Air Force and Navy are virtually AWOL. Are they refusing to take part? Certainly russia has shot some of its own planes down.

- Multiple government buildings and now specifically recruiting centres catching light in Russia itself.

- A retired General being allowed (or maybe even encouraged) to speak quite openly on state television about how badly things are going and how isolated Russia is.

- Any other world leader who had taken his country to war (or whatever Putin wants to call it) would be on TV at least once a day to tell his public how well it's going, even if that was outright lies, but where is Putin? Barely seen at all.

Individually, some of those points don't seem to mean much. We shouldn't take them in isolation though. Put together, what does it tell us?

I'm not as rosy when it comes to the economic benefits of annexation. Ukraine, more so even than Russia, has a rapidly ageing population and a very low fertility rate. Working age Ukrainians, especially men, have left the country in droves. In annexing these territories Russia will mostly be gaining a few million new pension recipients, and a colossal reconstruction bill. Though it would be a poster child now in Ukraine - 8 years post annexation Crimea still lags behind nearly every other Russian region in income per capita - despite billions of dollars of investment. I'm afraid the economic benefits of annexing these areas will only be felt by my kids, if that.

On the positive side - the south of Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe (excluding Russia). Russia is already the world's largest wheat exporter, and controlling these additional territories will only cement our position as the world's swing producer. In addition, the South of Ukraine is where the largest Imperial and then Soviet shipyards were located. For example, Nikolayev is the home of all Soviet aircraft carriers, and most supertankers. Regaining control over these areas will allow Russia to resume construction of the largest type of surface ships. The East of Ukraine, on the other hand, is where Ukraine earns the lion's share of its hard currency - through metallurgy, chemicals, and mining. So if one were to take any parts of the Ukraine, these two would be the most choice selections. Not complaining in that regard.

The West of Ukraine, historically its poorest region, and the main supplier of cheap migrant labor to Moscow - is the most undesirable part of the country. A small part of it, mostly Lviv, has managed to carve out a niche in IT outsource, but otherwise the main source of income is contraband of cigarettes and petrol and the export of prostitutes. When they are not jerking it to an icon of Bandera in their forest cabins, the locals are usually scaling mountains with 200 cartons of cigarettes strapped to their back. These folks the EU should keep and attempt to civilize.

Oh, so, we're a Communist, are we? Bardzo cziekawe........ btw I don't think Lenin would be offended. From what I could judge he seems to have been somewhere on the autistic spectrum - high functioning Aspergers or similar. He was totally without empathy.

you are not so bad as your population are being swelled by Muslims.
after that war they will surely replace 'ordinary' Russian. Hence you are stealing Ukrainian people and trnsfer them into Russia.


Are they stupid?

About famous phrase of marszalek Pilsudski about Poland...

Naród wspanialy, tylko ludzie kurwy.

Really, Pilsudsky was right. I agree with them wholeheartedly when I see what their grandsons doing to memorials of those who died on Polish land fighting with Nazis.

Pilsudsky, generally, was very smart man. I think, Putin stole their program, which was voiced in a conversation between Count Skrzynski and Pilsudski about the possibility of his founding a political party:

- Panie Marszalku, a jaki program tej partii?
- Najprostszy z mozliwych. Bic kurwy i zlodziei, mosci hrabio.

Except in Warsaw..... and the 45 years of an unwanted economic and military alliance forced on the country afterwards (and don't forget Katyn the Soviet-Nazi alliance) seems like a wash and Russians shouldn't get their noses out of joint and stop expecting to be worshipped.

What's so hard about 'stay home' or 'stop invading foreign countries' ?

@mafketis

Are you talking about that instance when Poles again tried to be too clever by half, and started an uprising with an eye towards presenting Stalin with a fait accompli? Your "poets" wasted the AK's fighting strength in a useless action, while the First Polish Army continued on to Berlin and ended the war as heroes. But really, if you preferred being a Reich territory so much, you should have probably fought together with the Nazis in defense of Warsaw against Rokossovsky, instead of putting it on fire, no?

Speaking of Rokossovsky - now that's a Polish general one can be proud of!

These guys are warriors... heroes of europe and their homeland they fought and died for like stalingrad 75 yrs before:

Efforts continue to rescue last defenders of Azovstal steel plant in Ukraine:
thejournal.ie/ukraine-mariupol-steel-plant-260-fighters-evacuated-5765989-May2022/

"but otherwise the main source of income is contraband of cigarettes and petrol and the export of prostitutes."

Does this include underaged ones? and exported to where surely not poland outside the chubby hacks on sides of roads for truckers?

He was saying all kind of things:

wyborcza.pl/magazyn/7,124059,22624623,jozef-pilsudski-narod-wspanialy-tylko-ludzie-kurwy.html


That's pretty funny coming from a Russian :D


You mean those memorials being moved to Soviet Army cemeteries?:

rmf24.pl/regiony/rzeszow/news-prezydent-rzeszowa-pomnik-armii-czerwonej-zostanie-przeniesi,nId,5985433

Oh God, how AWFUL! That's so much WORSE and EVIL than Soviet soldiers murdering and raping whole villages in Poland and stealing everything they could put their hands on!

It's also so much WORSE and EVIL than destroying Ukraine, killing, raping and robbing Ukrainian people!
RUSSIANS ARE SUCH A FINE NATION! LOL

I hope you can detect the sarcasm here. 🙄

Curious question. I think it would not be a bad idea for you to travel to the Carpathian Mountain region of Ukraine on a fact finding mission, and ask some of the locals regarding this issue. I believe they will provide you a consultation which will resolve all your potential inquiries, once and for all. No follow-up visit necessary.

That's what Poles were doing. Unlike the Soviets.


The Nazis did that. And the Soviet Army watched.

Oh no, I meant you should have helped Nazis defend Warsaw from Rokossovsky. Since it seems life was going just fine until Soviets came and occupied you. That's what I understand at least - if there was no liberation of Poland, it had to be an occupation - no?

@Bobko_V

You seem to forget that the SU was the main reason why Nazi Germany managed to occupy Poland in the first place.

And everything you write betrays a fundamental ignorance of life in modern Poland.

youtube.com/watch?v=qHNkndiNGp8

how was anyone able to survive this?

Also of note Paulina and others on here, you will have to face this. Poland will eventually be next or hit. Putin already mentioned denazifying it. You will eventually have to deal with this. how will you cope what will you do when it hits it or iskanders hit Warsaw that first moment those first thoughts in your head just imagine... imagine like you Americans on 911 imagined.

watch the video above bobko what will you do to face this or cope with the new reality of Poland?

Spare me such moronic and offensive comments then. My grandfather was fighting the Nazis as a member of the Polish resistance.


No, you're just being a demagogue.


Pro-Putin Russians like to forget about such "details" for some reason...


Sounds like Kaliningrad:

m.l24.lt//pl/kryminaly/item/311351-celnicy-wzrost-przemytu-papierosow-z-obwodu-kaliningradzkiego


Sounds like the whole of Russia :)

@Paulina

Oh are you a fan of Western Ukraine? People from the East and Center, fleeing the war, have had a chance now to sample Western hospitality. Though they are fleeing an actual warzone, these people are received suspiciously by the locals, with many of them hurling epithets like "vatnik" at these poor people, because they only speak in Russian. When they are assisted by volunteers with housing, clothing, and medications - 9 times out of 10 it is a kind-hearted foreigner, while the locals carry on with their lives as if it were pre-war, with restaurants, night clubs, etc.

When another cruise missile hits somewhere around Lvov, the locals begin rehashing their conspiracy theories about Kremlin agents amongst the hordes of vatniks they are receiving, providing targeting correction to Russians.

On the other hand, when territorial defense units from the West are rotated to the front in the East, then their moms and girlfriends come out in the thousands to protest. Some of them even say - "this is not our war".

A Western Ukrainian is the archetypal Ukrainian - a peasant farmer that doesn't give a sh!t about anything that happens beyond the border of his fence. They are greedy, as most peasant farmers are, small minded, xenophobic, and believe that all things West-Ukranian are the best in the world.

None of you answered my question how are you preparing mentally for when it comes for polands time?

ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3483639-enemy-using-incendiary-munitions-against-azovstal-defenders.html

As far as I understand mafketis is an American with no Polish roots.
You got a point here our elite, people in charge were in fact inetligencia fed on some air and poetry. Due to our poor leadership we ended up in a pickle more than we needed to.

However alliance bewteen Stalin and Hitler and Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany was that force that factor that allowed Hilter to grow so fast in a short perid of time. Hitler sucess in the war against Poland was due to the fact that Red Army helped him and took over half of the Polish territory.

Victory over France, Norway, Dutch, Belgium and France was possible in a large part due to Soviet Russia and Stalin help with ores that the Hilter war machine needed.

For over two years Hilter and Stalin were close allies wroking togather hand in hand on most issues, inlcluding supppresing Polish resistence and that included ethic cleansing and genoside that both NKVD and Gestapo learned from each other.

Funny that in 1944 - 1948 when you were back at suppresing Poles you have been using that Nazi propaganda against our heroes that you are using today against Ukrainians.

It was even more pitfully lame as they at the time they were veteran fighers against Nazis.
Well as we see those stupid western ****** are easily to please with any nosense. Not this time maybe!


get we get rid of this deslusion turd. at least tell us where he post from I doubt it is Poland.


As the main reason for this war is the fact that German policy enabled him! Do you need to lose a war to get that you are not that smart when it comes to world policies.

You are Polish in American undrestanding of the term. You are not really Polish and you are out of touch.

You should see the ones in Bahrain. Tons from russia.


Yes. Defending their homeland. Unlike the orcs who are pillaging somebody else's. Except for the many that refuse to fight.


And of course they invaded Poland together. The days when russia and/or germany could call the shots in Poland are long gone.

I'm neither a fan, nor an enemy, but I can see that you're clearly prejudiced against people from Western Ukraine, like all pro-Putin Russians.


And where did you get that info from?


As I wrote - you're prejudiced.

The fact that we bother convincing you and Ukrainians of anything shows who cares about you more - Russians or Germans. One country wanted to erase you, while the other country was trying to convince you that "hey, those guys trying to drag you to the other camp - listen - they're a bunch of assh0les". How it all worked out, whether or not we prospered in the process, doesn't remove the fact that we came at it from a completely different angle. This all gets washed away when you begin to say USSR=Third Reich.

Katyn was such a dirty secret, it took half a century for it to come out. Germans meanwhile, made no secret of trying to "past" every single Pole except those that were cute enough to keep. While every German then looked on at Poles as less than people, 99% of Russians saw nothing in Poles but brothers. The grotesque nature of the Soviet state meant that its hand was felt heavily throughout the entire geography. Poles never had to suffer harder than Russians because they were Poles. If life was **** in the Cold War, it was **** for everyone. But don't deny that there was a real feeling of brotherhood between peoples (despite meanies in Kremlin), and no talk of Russian>Pole, or any nonsense like that.

Well, those "peasant farmers" will soon have one of the world's largest armies thanks to all the Russian gear they have captured.

@Bobko_V
You have never been to Ukraine and are only repeating the company line. I have been all over Ukraine, and you have no idea what you are talking about. All you pro Putin F's are really just idiots and have no clue. Just reading what you write is insulting to any person with any intelligence who have been to Ukraine.

And those who claim to be Polish by birth who endorse Putin, are traitors and should be shot. No big trial or anything, just taken out back and one to the head.

This is about Ukraine, not Poland. The only thing Poland gets out of this conflict is even more uber drivers, cooks, handymen, nannies, maids, etc. which we really don't need more of at this point.


jews often are

@PolAmKrakow

I have not only lived in Ukraine, but my better half is Ukrainian too. She's also pro-Ukrainian, and we manage to live under one roof - imagine that!

When I read that you said you were in Crimea, and saw no positive changes I became suspicious. First of all, since 2014 the entrance regime has been a little wonky. Ukrainians still come in their millions to vacation, but the flow of foreigners has slowed to a trickle owing to all sorts of sanctions that make spending money on your credit cad difficult in Crimea for them. If you had actually gone there to visit, I'm surprised - not least because of your super russophobic views.

Other than the multi-billion dollar bridge - a centuries old dream of Crimeans, there is the Taurida highway system which is now complete. A state of the art highway which has tied together dozens of towns and cities that before had only haphazard connections. Then there is the renovation of the power grid, sewer systems, water purification, and healthcare. Old military shipyards have been reopened and loaded with orders.

Regarding the rest - I wonder what you disagree with? The fact that Western Ukrainians are insular minded hillbillies, that have forever represented the rump section of Ukraine?

There would be hardly anybody left in russia if this was implemented. :) But it's good to see you showing some respect to the Good Marshal.

Stories books and movies will be written about these guys like the warriors in stalingrad at the grain factory or the 300 spartans:

youtube.com/watch?v=c2pOfeYpISs&t=11s