Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Ukrainians lay down for a while taking a nap, after a close fight with the Spetsnaz...

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Terminators are going somewhere...

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Thermal camera + artillery working, hits right in the bullseye...

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Severodonetsk

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Bloody war.
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More died for the West...

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The hero of the photo shoot "Azov" three days later on the way to Russian captivity

Two whole trains full of them piled high and a hospital in Belarus stuffed with them apparently.

30,000 in total now and around three times that horribly injured.

The last 200 years of Russian imperialism are still more horrible than the horrible roots of modern Ukrainian nationalism.

Hardcore banderists are not representative of Ukrainian politics, they've got 2% in the elections and their rise into prominence was directly caused by siege mentality induced by Russian threat, 600k is a lot but you still can't hold the 30+ million country accountable for their views.

Most Ukrainians either don't care about Bandera, or believe in romanticized version of events, don't believe in the scale of genocide and believe it was conducted by some rogue elements of UPA and was not sanctioned by Bandera.

Percentage of people who unapologetically worship Bandera for what he did, is smaller than percentage of Russians that worship Stalin, Beria and other ruthless commie tyrants.

You'd probably find more of those among diaspora communities, e.g. in Canada, than in Ukraine itself. Nevertheless, each country has among its national heroes people who were flawed in some way. Poland too, the U.K., Russia, the U.S.. All of them. The RuSSist propaganda focus on Bandera (who was by the way a prisoner in Sachsenhausen when the Wolyń Massacres occurred) is simply an attempt to distract, divide and obfuscate.


Tyrants, yes. Actual communists, less so. Karl Marx would be spinning in Highgate cemetery if he saw what they did, significant that when the RuSSists capture towns in Ukraine, they put up statues of Lenin. They must have a stock of them somewhere. Proof of ever there was any that Putler wants to create a USSR bis.

It looks like Putler is trying to start something on the belarus border, doubtless to divert Ukrainian forces away from Donbas.
theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/ukraine-forces-prepare-for-possible-attack-on-belarusian-border

Sen. Mitt Romney suggests 'NATO could engage' in Ukraine, 'potentially obliterating Russia's struggling military' if Putin used nuclear weapons.
Here comes WW3 folks !

the sooner the better, then the revolution parties wll have the courage to reach out to their partners in usa

Which revolutionary parties are you talking about?

One of the best articles I've read on the current war.
" The lamentable performance of its forces in Ukraine has undone Putin's two decades of rebuilding Russia's reputation as a manufacturer of cutting-edge military equipment."

" Similarly, a generation spent persuading foreign firms to invest in Russia has been squandered in a few weeks. Hundreds of companies have rushed for the exit, in most cases at a considerable loss, to avoid reputational damage."

" Earlier this month Ukraine's human rights chief Lyudmyla Denisova put the number deported at 1.19 million, including 200,000 children, many of whom are being adopted by force. According to leaked Kremlin documents, plans were made before the invasion to deport 2 million Ukrainians and the process is still under way"

telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/22/putins-catastrophic-war-has-exposed-russia-third-rate-power/

I can't wait to hear from the zhopniks why this is a good idea and why it should be defended.... this is pure fascist territory (reminds me of the Argentine junta that did something similar or the Lebensborn program).

Russia's international reputation is beneath zero by now and they keep digging....

@mafketis

Your constant obsession with dupas and zhopas betrays your Banderite sympathies. If you persist in this line of inquiry, you just may become 100% Anally Nazified - like Tornado Battalion commander, Russian Onischenko.

Onischenko is a famous Ukrainian war criminal and sadistic pederast that went so overboard with his depravities that it ended up being too much even for the Poroshenko regime. How lucky then for him that Zelensky released him from prison earlier this year. On the waves of social media, however, Onischenko is best know for his yoga sessions in the forest:

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Your homeland is the tsar's zhopa.... so.... accept that. You support taking 200,000 children from their parents and placing them with other families because you disapprove of their ethnicity and language.

Own that. You support the new Lebensborn program, like the nazi that all zhopniks are.

@mafketis

War is no place for children. Especially when there are such people as Ruslan Onischenko present. Did you know, that he is not the only commander on the Ukrainian volunteer battalion side with certain, how shall we say, deviations? There is also Semen Semenchenko, former head of the Donbass Battalion - who is also now in jail. His forte was not anal nazification but mere cosplay: cowboys and Indians, sheriffs, etc. For your viewing pleasure:

Edit: I can keep going all day, showing people all the curious animals collected in the Ukrainian zoo. One big name that comes to mind is Oleg Lyashko - now that's a character!

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Nor nor is being abducted to a foreign country, nor are forced adoptions.

They are not russian; they did not want to be kidnapped.

This is shameful behaviour.

There can be no excuse, no justification; no way of mitigating the crime of forced deportations, labour camps, forced adoption of children on the grounds of their nationality.

It is significant that the sources about the people you mention (not that they are involved in child care) are russian state sources or websites connected to russia.

So stealing and traumatizing children (taking them from their parents to be russified) is.... okay? Is this how you justify crimes against humanity?

A reminder (relevant part starts at 0.30)

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1527328024638541826

he was arrested for saying that so apparently the official government position is that the Russian homeland is in fact Putin's zhopa... enjoy tending to it...


I'm sure you can, but there's no need here. No on'es interested in your special.... collection (which you've obviously spent a long time putting together)

I have better things to do than collect photos of Ukrainian warrior pederasts. All this is available after a minute's Google search if you're able to install a Cyrillic keyboard. No need to rely on .ru websites, plenty available on official .ua websites. Transcripts of military tribunals, and press briefings by the General Prosecutor of Ukraine.

However if your brain does not do Cyrillic alphabets, then there are still some Western sources. Radio Free Europe is above board I trust?

rferl.org/amp/ukraine-tornado-battalion-rogue-paramilitaries-kyiv-trial-crimes/28205795.html

A Ukrainian criminal investigation showed that the commander of the battalion personally observed prisoners being forced to rape each other orally and anally, routinely electrocuted detainees, beat them with PVC pipes and suspended them for hours, etc, etc. Thankfully when people in prison got wind of this band's heroics they received a "hero's welcome":

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So why collect them and post them here? Propaganda and irrelevant to the issue.

The issue is the 2 million forced abductions of Ukrainians. Something which cannot be justified by any moral standards.

Mass deportations are part of the russian playbook. Most people hoped the Russians had evolved, it seems they haven't.

@jon357

Without mass deportations a Pole could never meet a Kazakh, a Crimean Tatar a Kyrgyz. Mass deportations are the blender blades of the melting pot that is the Russian land. Deported Koreans have prospered, achieving the highest positions in business and government, as well as supplying not a small number of rock and pop stars. Evacuated Jewish professors from Leningrad and Moscow, taught Kyrgyz shepherds in Frunze during the war. These meetings and exchanges would never happen without the heavy hand of the state.

Now when you put people in reservations (like Native Americans), or in refugee camps, or in inner city ghettos - the mixing doesn't work so much.

P.S. - When you are having a bad day, remember that at least you are not having as bad a time as Ruslan Onischenko.

That is for them to decide. Not a third party who illegally kidnapped them.


Which Poland and Ukraine are not part of.

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I don't. Nor does Ukraine.

The issue is the 2 million Ukrainians forcibly abducted from their homes.

In trying to justify it you show yourself for what you are.

Scum.

In the words of Vitaly Klitschko, mayor of Kiev: "All you can say is words."

Accurate ones.

@jon357

Have you considered that mass deportations, besides yielding all sorts of tertiary benefits like exposing the transferred people to the Russian information sphere before their return home, is also infinitely cheaper than building camps the way you folks do it?

It surely may sound brutal, but dispersing the displaced people across Russia in actually normal residential conditions is better for their welfare and cheaper for the state. If the war lasts, it's better to spend those months in an apartment than in a tent or repurposed shipping container. Families are not being split and sent off to different cities. People have some degree of choice over where they get placed. If they have money to pay for their own accommodations then they're free to do as they wish.

Your recent posting history would suggest otherwise.

Your justification for kidnapping children and forcibly russifying them suggests that your truly live inside of Putin's zhopa...


they are not 'displaced' they are kidnapped.... this is Russia's contribution to the modern world - kidnapping citizens of another country by the hundreds of thousands - Russia is the true daughter of Stalin's CCCP and Hitler's Germany.

Russia - not a country - a contagion....

@mafketis

Tell me Maf, how do you kidnap hundreds of thousands of people? Millions, rather. Do we post a KGB surveillance operative outside each family's apartment to monitor their movement? We probably also need to set up checkpoints inside each Russian city to filter Ukrainians so they can't make their way around.

You think that's a 'benefit'?


It is brutal.


Their location is nothing to do with the russian state. They were forcibly taken. They will return home with an even greater hatred of russia than they had before.

Get out of Ukraine. It is not your country.

Back on topic:
words of Polish unwavering support for Ukraine by Pres Duda in Ukr Parliament today:

He said: Today the free world has the face of Ukraine. Today I am in the capital of a free and democratic Ukraine, which has been fighting heroically against barbaric aggression for almost 90 days.I wanted to assure you that Poland will never leave Ukraine alone. Together we are stronger, we must not waste this chance. Dear Ukrainian friends, millions of people who have had to leave are not refugees in our country, but guests.They are safe and will be able to return as soon as you defeat the Russian occupier. Great evil has produced great good. We will be good neighbors forever. It is a great historical opportunity, a great breakthrough.

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How did Stalin do it?


Why are Russians so incapable of understanding that simple fact?

Why are Russians so passive about government repression? I've never heard of a Russian who was bothered the slightest about their government killing civilians... even ethnic Russians...

Your concern is truly touching. Mine is that the US can get dragged into another Euro crap and that we are spending the money we don't have. Also that Poland is no longer Polish. Soon, you will be asking "do you speak Polish" just as I ask "do you speak English" here.

Two ex-Soviet republics at war is item number 127 on my list of concerns.

Now I HAVE to ask....of course....what are 126 and 128?

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-22/polish-pm-calls-on-norway-to-share-oil-and-gas-profits-windfall?srnd=premium-europe

Maybe I didn't understand something..... But maybe Poland should start from Raytheon, Boeing and another military gear manufacturers, that get superprofits now, instead trying to rob Norway selling gas at fair market prices?


Because matters is much more complicated that you think. Myob!

These simpletons like 72 genders but a very binary rest: Russia - bad, Ukraine - good. Life is simple. And nothing really happened until the first Russian tank crossed the border. NATO? What NATO?