Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

Invading another country isn't acceptable as purely defensive....it's just not!

If it was meant to it was a stupid move....a loser's move....he already failed some of his objectives and time will tell if he loses alot more.

@Novichok

Your whole #11,823 post deserves 5 stars! When has Russia ever performed well as an expeditionary force?

Although I agree with what you say, it would be a monstrous dereliction of responsibility if Euro countries didn't bolster its defensive posture and policies to meet a potential threat from Russia, however impotent it appears on paper.


But, I think he's saying the defensive nature of the Russian military precluded it from seriously attacking another Euro country...that's not Ukraine, of course.

.....of course!

In Germany "experts" count on Putin to use a small nuke at least in the end....

I'd be shocked if he did, unless Ukraine military makes headway into Russia.

Here's hoping to not be shocked!

Sorry, BB, but you are wrong. There is a simple rule to follow when discussing such subjects: Ask what the Israelis would do. And they did exactly what Putin is doing now: They attacked potential aggressors in 1967 and 1973 and took their land. Bravo!


Never. They learned their lesson in Afghanistan pretty well. This tells me that attacking Ukraine was an act of ultimate desperation after all other means and desire to negotiate neutrality of Ukraine were exhausted. Putin may have underestimated their military capabilities but had no illusions about the losses Russia would suffer.

Is this still BREAKING?

Russian Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned...

Full statements in English and Russian:

twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1528668629482541057

highlights...

"never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year"

"a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country"

"Those who conceived this war want only one thing - to remain in power forever"

I don't know. He's very popular and will remain popular for the foreseeable future regardless of outcome in Ukraine. Nature of system is such that only Putin can know what he's going to do, and it's not clear that he's made up his mind yet. Personally I think he's on his way out, meaning I think he's serving his last term. There are several candidates to replace him, and I think the criteria in selecting them is mostly about their commitment to continuing his course. The current conflict is in many ways him trying to shape his legacy. He wants to be on the list of great Russian leaders and Ukraine is his magnum opus. However, if things will not go well, maybe he'll be convinced he has to stay on for yet another term to steer the ship through the sanctions war. This would of course prolong the sanctions war, but so it goes.

I don't think there will be any loosening of the screws domestically regardless of the outcome in Ukraine. Releasing Navalny or stopping the full court press against opposition parties is not on the table (besides the fact that Navalny's popularity is marginal). Putin is Putin, and Moscow and St. Petersburg are not Russia.

"Мы не хотим быть пушечным мясом" - "We do not want to be cannon fodder"

youtu.be/DmU6LkLq2x4

"We do not want to be cannon fodder," the soldiers of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine appeal to Zelensky. In their video message, they state that many of them have never held weapons in their hands, that they do not have ammunition, weapons and food, which is why they refuse to carry out combat missions.

twitter.com/Levi_godman/status/1528762884343349248

all that is left of 3 companies, a company is otherwise a hundred or 200 people by the standards of the Ukrainian army mostly, translation in short, no support, no equipment, they need rest, low morale, criminal orders

twitter.com/spriteer_774400/status/1528864358851563520

There's no logic in not retreating when you can't get reinforcements and weapons. It's a finished war. And whether the maniacs will give their consent for them to withdraw is another question. They can always surrender, pardon, evacuate.

yea, gotta feel sorry for those ukra regular soldiers. . especially for those soldiers in severodoneck. they havent been rotated at all. and ukra blew bridges behind them. no retreat.no supply

ukra really treat its soldiers as cannon fodder. dont understand this holding area at any cost strategy.if thing get bad, pull battalions out ,regroup, resupply and they will fight another day another place.instead ,they sit in trenches and getting hammered by arty into submission and surrender.i dunnno. am not a general.

They can always ask Putin to stop attacking...

Another look back at days gone by to actions that are no longer acceptable in todays world to justify barbarian behavior of Russians. We expect nothing less than this kind of uneducated analogy that makes no sense in todays political and economic climate. Along this retarded line of thinking, Ukraine should have attacked Russia. Feeble minded people should be kept away from computers.

Meanwhile the great Putin leadership has experts saying Russia's economy is "imploding" as exports to the sanctioned country fall. "We forecast a GDP collapse of -30% by end-2022," a chief economist at Institute of International Finance wrote. Exports from 20 countries to Russia were down -50% from the same time a year prior.

Strong Ruble indeed. Happy gulag biatches!

Another Russian whose conscience is still working and who hasn't lost common human decency...



... Women Grand Master, International Master and 2019 European Women's Individual Chess Champion, has stated that because of the Russian aggression on Ukraine she no longer wishes to represent this country. She now wants to play for Poland. :)

Polish Chess Association informed today that they received an approval from FIDE and are very happy to welcome Alina Kashlinskaya in the ranks of Polish players.

sport.interia.pl/szachy/news-czolowa-rosyjska-zawodniczka-chce-grac-dla-polski-wszystko-z,nId,6044091

Since Coca Cola withdrew from the Russian market, the state nationalized bottling plants and now they are selling the same soft drinks like this.



:)

Only a stupid Westerner thinks he has succeeded and achieved something with this. This is the greatest epic fail of the West in history. All this talk, for only a 10% deficit, will be returned by the Russians in the coming years.

Well.....it worked 89, remember? Eastern folks wanting desperatedly the same stuff the Westerners enjoyed.....already forgotten?

Every day Russians come and ask for asylum, it must be hundreds of thousands of people by now, the good educated ones at that....don't tell me you don't know about that?

Compared to the West the East hasn't much to offer, any comparison he lost....why shouldn't it happen again? The home made substitutes were never as good as the western originals, why should it change now?

Erm... "Cool Cola", "Fancy", "Street"? Why the English names? If the bottling plants were nationalised, shouldn't the names be in Russian and written in Cyrillic script? It's a scandal! Somebody in this bottling plant, who is responsible for labels, should be denazified! :D

I remember these Cola substitutes in the GDR....they fooled nobody with that!



The people still preferred the original...

Yeah, in Poland we had Polo Cocta - obviously superior equivalent of imperialistic Coca Cola. *rolls eyes*

The Russians are being thrown back in time...30 years....they have to relive it all over again....poor suckers...

The guy's half dead already.


Normal enough. If I had a pound for every time I've seen russia supporters try to justify russian behaviour in Ukraine or Syria or Chines behaviour to the Ughyurs I could open an account at gazprombank and buy some dodgy roubles.


Thousands of them have fled.

oopsie....


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He has been bringing death and suffering to Ukraine , frightening the whole world - and apparently living in constant fear for his own life.

There is a reason for this: According to media reports, Kremlin warmonger Vladimir Putin (69) has now survived five assassination attempts - the last of which was in March, shortly after the Russian invasion of Ukraine .

Probably why he's hiding in a bunker now.

Have you read about Metro 2 in Moscow? Those people are paranoid. It wouldn't help them much should they need to actually use it.


Somebody who has been right so far about everything. He must have some very well-placed sources in Moscow.

ok so now we got a deal with turkey to allow Sweden and Finland access to NATO. in return we allow turkey invade SYRIA slaughter of kurds in Syria.

do i understand it correctly? wtf is going on?
them western values and love to international law
and the fokers say russia baD

Great news. A little premature though, since talks are still ongoing.


No, you don't.

Turkey are creating a border zone which is mostly sand and which they controlled already, despite russia and poisoner Assad's best efforts.

Not exactly the Donbas conurbation...

Syria is not Europe....we can't help them all...when we try we want to much and it doesn't end well (Afghanistan)!

We can't fight their wars....the Ukrainans are in Europe and they want to fight!

No, it wasn't. It was honest and thorough. I could write more, but I can see that in your case it's like throwing pearls before swine.


And deflecting :)


Awesome! :D I like chess! 👍
Now... let's get some ballet dancers! :))) :D

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A political AFU officer named Batynsky, raped a woman in front of her husband, and then shot him dead in Mariupol

- he was captured with his unit at the Ilyich Plant, subordinates reported his criminal actions....

twitter.com/mokosh77/status/1529029538155462656

Turned in by his own fighters, quick trial.

I'd not call them substitutes. We had them too, just cheaper brands. Even though the originals were available for those who could afford them. Even better when they delivered them in big bottles on a lorry and collected the bottles a week later. Greener, cheaper, and less profits disappearing to America.


You nailed it with that comment. There's a lot in t( world that needs sorting, Chinese repression of the Uyghurs, generational labour camps in North Korea and a few more horrors besides. We can't fix those, however we can help Ukraine. Important to pick battles that are winnable.


Such a contrast to russia where they are too cowed to do so.

Assuming your story from a notorious RuSSist Twitter shill is true which is quite frankly a big assumption.

*nods*

When we can't even keep order on our own turf what chances do we have far away....

Not to mention that few are that morally unambigious. Difficult to choose sides between the jihadists and Assad loyalists in Syria or the proxies from Iran and Saudi-Arabia in Yemen. But defending a democracy against a genocidal invasion? The choice is simple.

Never mind how Syria or Yemen are not threatening the whole post-war order in Europe.

Putin just took Poland off his Christmas card list.
The Polish government terminated the contract for gas supplies from Russia and the agreement on the construction of gas pipeline systems for the transit of Russian gas through the territory of Poland.

I wonder how long it will be before they kiss and make up ?