Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

99 next week. I don't agree with his speech, however he's worth listening to.


The russians must really hate Incirlik airbase.


Tough.

Now, where does this benchmark come from? Where can I read about how if you do not win a war in three months it is considered a failure? Is there some American campaign you can point at, besides Granada or Honduras (Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia for us)?

Where will all of you friends be in one year, or two years?

@Bobko
More threats that Russia can not make happen. No one is afraid of your rusted out tanks and ill equipped army. No one is worried about Georgia or Armenia, they want their trade agreements with the west to continue. No one cares about Russian threats any more. Russia has shown itself to be nothing but a shadow of what it once was. All your thieves have shown that Russia is nothing but a three legged dog in a thoroughbred horse race. The death of Russia is coming, not a matter of if, just a matter of when. You cant help yourselves, you love playing the victim of the west, yet you do nothing to make yourselves better. Russia is pitiful and its people are even more so.

@PolAmKrakow

Do you speak for Turkey? They have even higher inflation than you at the moment. 70% year on year increase in prices in April, thanks to Erdogan's moronic belief that higher interest rates beget higher inflation. I don't think Erdogan has an appetite for the list of measures I listed.

Here's what's happening to the Lira at the same time, almost as if Turkey is at war and not Russia:

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@Bobko

Erm... do you seriously consider your glorious Ukrainian campaign to be anything other than utter failure so far? Your leaked "victory message" shows clearly that it was supposed to be a swift campaign - blitzkrieg style, the first step in restoring Russkiy Mir etc. but something definitely went wrong for you there. You lost more troops and equipment in three months than you did in 9 years in Afghanistan, you lost your flagship to an enemy who doesn't even have a fleet worth mentioning, your troops gave to the entire world a display of mind-boggling ineptitude and your generals die like flies, and you don't consider this a failure?


Only God knows that. We can, however, rather accurately predict where Russia will be if this glorious campaign continues - even deeper in a pitch black a*ss than it currently is.

They set their own and celebrate when those are not met. Russia will have to decide if the sacrifices were worth the gains but gains are there without any doubt.

I still stand by my comparison with the Israeli wars in 1967 and 1973. They took their wars to the enemy, won, and kept what they needed as a buffer and a reminder not to fu*ck with them. Russia is doing the same today. The difference: there is no Russian lobby in Washington.

The lowest form of forum life is celebrating individual deaths. Disgusting a-holes. And so very selective...


Could you be more specific? Like will they keep C, D, L, and M a year from now?

Of course, naturally we wanted a blitzkrieg. What we really wanted is for them not to resist at all, and for the entire rotten edifice to come crashing down under its own weight. The unprecedented degree of Western support (remember, America never saw such a cheap opportunity to hobble Russia), is what stiffened Ukrainian spines and gave them hope that they may overcome. In my opinion a false hope, leading to infinitely more death, but hope nonetheless. However, their game is a race against time, while we have all the time in the world. You should read Ukrainian comments under articles re: some Western general saying this may last years, or articles about the ban on military age men being able to travel extended another three months. Ukraine will not be able to bear this indefinitely, and they will start to see through the strategy of fighting to the last Ukrainian.

Careful now, Bobko - it's not a war, remember? It's a special military operation.

So your way to hurt Turkey is by banning tourist flights and forcing your own citizens to take their holidays in Russia ?

That is awesome news for your hard working tram drivers - heady summer nights of mosquitoes, kvass, balalaika music and VD, you can party like its 1989

There was no declared wars after WWII, just "special military operations". ;) War is just an shortest possible abbreviation. ;)

@cms neuf

You're right - it's an incredible boon to internal tourism. Places like Sochi, Lake Baikal, Crimea, Kamchatka, and the mineral water resorts in the Caucasus were all unfortunately overlooked as our people went in droves to Thailand, Egypt, Spain, Turkey for those stupid "all-inclusive" trips. Since 2015, Russians have been happily rediscovering their own country. Yes, it may be more expensive. Yes, service standards are not necessarily comparable. But how do you expect them to improve if there is no cash flowing in?

In 1967 Israel wiped the floor with 5 countries, with much larger armies, in 6 days, with minimal own losses, and you're comparing this to Russia's sad circus in Ukraine? :D

In 1973 Tzahal defeated armies twice its size in less than 3 weeks, and you're comparing it to the disgrace of the "second army in the world" in Ukraine? :D

Yer havin a laugh...


Neither will Russia. Come back to this thread in May next year and see whose predicitons were more accurate. :)

about as long as poland defended itself in 1939,so dont be so cocky,poland was barking from behind french back,didnt end well. today from behind US. maybee its tiome learn the fkin lesson.

you so tuff, how bout you go and fight russia?

You walked into this conflict because you don't understand Russia, and you will lose because you don't understand Ukraine.

Let me tell you what is happening in Ukraine. Just officially, their GDP is set to contract by 30% this year. This is despite the west plugging all budget holes.

The National Bank of Ukraine has implemented a policy, where it buys dollars at 30 Hrivnya, but only sells them at 37-40. This is killing exporters, first and foremost their formerly flourishing IT sector.

The 97% of men that are not fighting, and will never fight, are now tied down for another three months after Zelenskiy extended the state of war by an additional three months. Their rage is building. There is nothing for them to do in Ukraine at the moment, and millions of men without a job is not a good thing. However, there's a cruel logic to Zelensky's actions. He knows that the political optics of the refugee crisis will quickly shift, when the millions of Ukrainian women and children will be added to by millions of Ukrainian men. Also, he knows that they will rush for the exits in mass numbers, and likely will never return.

There are kilometer long lines for gasoline.

Pensions have not been paid for two months in many locales.

In rear areas where there are no armed confrontations, crime is flourishing, and things many of us thought we left in the 1990s are coming back. Like the kidnapping of businessmen for extortion, and raider-style theft of entire enterprises.

thanks to Russia! Russkij Mir....

All Russia can give to Ukraine is misery and backwardness!

Russia must leave Ukraine!

dunno about that. google city of grozny images,,you see
iraq liberated by western values in the other hand ...well

All the zhopniks can do is 'whadabout?'.... in other words there are no positive justifications for the Russian pestilence infecting Ukraine...

Russia out of Ukraine! It's not 'Russkij Mir' (because no sane person wants to be part of that....)

@Novichok
NYC subways are safer than Palatine.

@Bobko
Russia, the aggressor is in worse shape than Ukraine for economy. Ukraine will now always have the EU and US backing them, and when the war is over, Russia will go back to its outhouses and inbreeding. When will you figure it out? None of us care about the Russian point of view. We do not care what you think or what you want. You are wasting your time and ours just being here.

Russian propaganda projecting on others, as usual :D


Yeah, Grozny/Chechnya sounds like such an awesome place to live (sarcasm) - majority of asylum requests to both Poland and the EU coming from Russia have been applied by Chechens for years:

hfhr.pl/en/republic-of-fear-hfhrs-report-on-human-rights-abuses-in-chechnya/

"The absence of Russian government's adequate response to extensive and well-documented cases of mass persecution proves that the people of Chechnya have very little chance of obtaining adequate and real protection of their rights within the borders of the Russian Federation."

Putin is allowing Kadyrov to do whatever he wants, as long as he's loyal to the Kremlin. I imagine it would be the same in Ukraine with any puppet regime chosen by Russia.

Let be explain...If you are the only one speeding, you will be arrested. If everybody is speeding and you are not, you are the nuisance and an idiot that is likely to cause an accident. Bottom line: act like the rest. If it's OK for NATO, it's OK for Russia.


It's the US taxpayers who, btw, don't give a fu*ck about Ukraine, not "US". This is extortion, pure and simple since nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that Americans must support an ex-Soviet republic at war with another ex-Soviet republic. Get that hyphen out of the way and you will see things more clearly.

When did NATO invade Ukraine?

More info on how "awesome" living in Chechnya is:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov

"Kadyrov rules the Chechen Republic through despotism and repression. Over the years, he has come under criticism from international organisations for a wide array of human rights abuses under his watch, with Human Rights Watch calling the forced disappearances and torture so widespread they constituted crimes against humanity."


Yup. All of this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the Russian invasion! 🤦

@Novichok
This is about good and evil, and Russia has worn the black hat by choice for the last hundred years. Now they can keep it. No one cares what their opinion is except losers who are looking for a cause to get behind that resembles their own personality. Like BLM and the rest. Go get your big picket sign and walk through Palatine supporting Russia and lets see what happens.

In 1999, the UN pronounced Grozny the most destroyed city on Earth since Dresden in WW2. The city was literally flattened with the ground. By 2014, it was a bustling metropolis full of high rises. The amount of investment in Chechnya has been without precedent. It leads even Russian nationalists to be outraged at the disproportion of federal funds distribution.

Perhaps some of the effort was self-serving, to show all other federal subjects that it's best not to mess with the Center, and that the Center will own its problems. Nonetheless, billions of dollars continue to be invested in Chechnya, and its living standards are much higher than they would be under the Taliban-on-steroids warlords that we defeated in the 90s.

Bobko doesn't live in Russia :))


Wow, Bobko, thanks for admitting that!


And yet, as I already wrote, the majority of asylum requests to both Poland and EU in general coming from Russia have been applied by Chechens over the years. It seems people need something more besides money and nice looking buildings?

@Paulina

No. As my Ukrainian girlfriend's family can confirm, people will use a historic opportunity to get around immigration controls through use of refugee ruse. Their path has been Chișinău, Prague, Antwerpen.

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@Bobko
Thats your idea of a modern city? Its like a small city in Nebraska. Fing joke

@PolAmKrakow

Maybe because it is a small city in a republic with a total population under 2 million?

No? How do you know? Did you talk to all those Chechens seeking asylum in the West over the years?


What "historic opportunity"? Chechens have been the biggest group of Russian citizens seeking asylum in the West for years and not at just some given point in time.


I can show you nice looking photos from North Korea too :))) I guess what I wrote in my previous comments about Chechnya didn't sink in? Or you simply don't care?

I wrote about persecution and human rights abuses. But think about this... If corruption in Russia is worse than in Ukraine, then imagine what it must be like in Chechnya...

Chechens? So many ethnically cleansed over the years, so many killed.


I knew one in Warsaw. He hated the orcs for what they'd done to him and his family.


And you wonder about the horrors taking place behind the pretty images.